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Austin Shackles - 21 Jul 2008 14:15 GMT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm

I hope that makes 'em happy.

from what I recall at the time, the consensus was that another vehicle was
involved and that there wasn't enough road for the both of them, and unless
they can conclusively and definitely disprove that or prove clear negligence
on his part, I doubt they'll get a conviction anyway.

Meanwhile, I don't see how the justice system can possibly punish him more
than he already has been, if he's even half-way human, losing half his
family is more punishment than anyone should have to deal with.

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Steve Taylor - 21 Jul 2008 14:19 GMT
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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> I hope that makes 'em happy.

I hope the prosecutors rot in hell personally.

Steve
Austin Shackles - 21 Jul 2008 14:30 GMT
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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>Steve

I've sent a thing to the have your say lot.

hopefully, it'll get added to the beeb news.
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Tom Woods - 21 Jul 2008 14:39 GMT
I've just heard this on the news too.

I'm not sure how it helps anything.
Lee_D - 21 Jul 2008 14:42 GMT
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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> hopefully, it'll get added to the beeb news.

Thats one of those articles that I suspected I knew what it would say before
I clicked on the link. That's frigg'in awful. Never mind public frigg'in
interest,What about the interests of the rest of the family for gods sake?
It's a very very sad state of affiars.

Just awful. :-(
GbH - 21 Jul 2008 14:44 GMT
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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> Steve

Amen to that!

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William Black - 21 Jul 2008 14:50 GMT
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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>> I hope that makes 'em happy.
>
> I hope the prosecutors rot in hell personally.

No,  there's something odd going on here.

It seems to have taken then something over eighteenth months to decide to
charge him,  that's not normal or usual.

It is possible that something new has come to light.

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Tim Jones - 21 Jul 2008 18:15 GMT
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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>It seems to have taken then something over eighteenth months to decide to
>charge him,  that's not normal or usual.

Surely it's more like 9 months. 9 months isn't an unusual length of
time to get such  things to come to court.
Rich B - 21 Jul 2008 19:22 GMT
William Black typed:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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> It is possible that something new has come to light.

Yes, I read this today too on the BBC website.  It seems harsh, but the
prosecutor was saying something like, we know the guy has suffered through
the loss of his family and we have carefully considered all the issues, and
we still feel that there is a public interest in the prosecution going
ahead. That suggests that there may be something going on that we are not
aware of.

I, for one, will reserve judgement on whether the prosecution is a good idea
until I have heard the case.

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GbH - 21 Jul 2008 19:30 GMT
> William Black typed:
>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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> I, for one, will reserve judgement on whether the prosecution is a
> good idea until I have heard the case.

Irrespective of the fate of 'Gresh' wouldn't public interest be best
served by fixing the dam road!
And possibly persecuting those who have failed to do so in the past!

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Rich B - 21 Jul 2008 19:41 GMT
GbH typed:
>> William Black typed:
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/7517468.stm
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> served by fixing the dam road!
> And possibly persecuting those who have failed to do so in the past!

Yes indeed.

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Dave Liquorice - 21 Jul 2008 21:33 GMT
> Irrespective of the fate of 'Gresh' wouldn't public interest be best
> served by fixing the dam road! And possibly persecuting those who have
> failed to do so in the past!

Was the road at fault? Like having a hole in it or an unmarked collasped
verge? Like others ISTR some references to another vechicle and a bend. It
is ones own care and duty to always drive within the limitations of the
vehicle, road and conditions.

Should those that get hurt in a multiple pile up on a motorway in fog be
able to prosecute the designers of the motorway? Because that is what you
are saying.

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GbH - 21 Jul 2008 22:55 GMT
>> Irrespective of the fate of 'Gresh' wouldn't public interest be best
>> served by fixing the dam road! And possibly persecuting those who
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> be able to prosecute the designers of the motorway? Because that is
> what you are saying.

Certainly if the motorway is defective and/or dangerous!

Regretably all too often mdifications to dangerous roads are not
initiated untill a few are killed, since by bean counter statistics they
are not dangerous untill then!

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Tim Jones - 22 Jul 2008 00:14 GMT
>Regretably all too often mdifications to dangerous roads are not
>initiated untill a few are killed, since by bean counter statistics they
>are not dangerous untill then!

You can't modify each and every raod that may be perceived as
"dangerous". It's every drivers responsibility to drive within the
limits of themselves, their vehicle and the road that they're on.
Dave Liquorice - 21 Jul 2008 21:29 GMT
>> No,  there's something odd going on here.
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> prosecution going ahead. That suggests that there may be something going
> on that we are not aware of.

I agree. If the CPS didn't think they had a case they wouldn't bring one.  

7 kids and 2 adults in a LWB. In theory legal (I think) but sideways
facing seats? That grey area of the law that we have debated in the
past... If "they" can get a prosecution through "they" can outlaw sideways
seats. This is well within the "public interest" remit.

> I, for one, will reserve judgement on whether the prosecution is a good
> idea until I have heard the case.

Same here but unfortunately with our media, unless you go and sit in the
public gallery you won't get. You'll only get the "story" not the truth or
facts.

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Austin Shackles - 22 Jul 2008 09:50 GMT
>7 kids and 2 adults in a LWB. In theory legal (I think) but sideways
>facing seats? That grey area of the law that we have debated in the
>past... If "they" can get a prosecution through "they" can outlaw sideways
>seats. This is well within the "public interest" remit.

legal if they're your family, which they were in this case.

There's also the point that "proper" child restraints, when the motor goes
under water, are a damn' sight more likely to get your kids drowned.  How
many small kids, or even adults, can remember how to unfasten it quickly in
those circumstances, especially if it landed on it's side?

Also, you're likely to get air pockets in the top of the thing.  If you're
strapped in further down, that's no help to you.

not everything is as black and white as people wish...

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