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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / September 2004Slightly OT. Can you do this to a disco?
I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. Hud http://www.terrawind.com/H2oex.htm > I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. > > Hud > > http://www.terrawind.com/H2oex.htm Didn't Land rover do that with a couple of Srs 2's a fue years ago, make 'em float I mean? > > I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Didn't Land rover do that with a couple of Srs 2's a fue years ago, > make 'em float I mean? http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/ click on 'The Collection'. >> I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Didn't Land rover do that with a couple of Srs 2's a fue years ago, make 'em >float I mean? I've seen pictures in one of the mags of a floating SII, was rather better done than that, too. I still reckon the airbag style flotation kit is better, as it can be taken off when you're not trying to float it. Disco Duck vaguely muttered something like ... > I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. > > Hud > > http://www.terrawind.com/H2oex.htm Now that looks like a nice, nimble, little runabout that would do well in RTV trials .... Jeez, just how big and stupid looking do these things have to be ... :)  SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules !!! http://paul-xxx.blogspot.com/ Just started a blog .. "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." It is american, it has to be as big as possible and it doesn't matter how stupid it looks......suprised there's no guns on it! Here's a good link to other stupid cars.... http://www.stupidnorthernmonkey.co.uk/ ...I'm a bit pissed off at the site's name, I am northern, I am not completely stupid and the last time I checked...I was not a monkey! SignatureWolverine Big Red '93 110 CSW >Disco Duck vaguely muttered something like ... >> I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Jeez, just how big and stupid looking do these things have to be ... :) It looks to me like somebody just decided to stick a load of old cereal boxes to an american SUV. Call me picky but if I wanted an amhibious vehicle, I'd go and get one that doesn't look like a mad inventor had an afterthought of floatation tanks. Something like a Stalwart or DUKW springs to mind as rather more capable. Alex >It looks to me like somebody just decided to stick a load of old >cereal boxes to an american SUV. Call me picky but if I wanted an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Something like a Stalwart or DUKW springs to mind as rather more >capable. DUKW may be pronounced "duck" but it's far from efficient in water. the series LR I've seen pictures of was a much nicer job, basically they'd kept near enough the normal body shape but sealed in all the wings and wheelboxes for bouyancy tanks and sealed all the doors shut. >>It looks to me like somebody just decided to stick a load of old >>cereal boxes to an american SUV. Call me picky but if I wanted an [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >kept near enough the normal body shape but sealed in all the wings and >wheelboxes for bouyancy tanks and sealed all the doors shut. Could be the OTAL (One Tonne Amphibious Landrover) or the APGP (Air Portable General Purpose). Neither were particularly successfull. The APGP is here http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/Gallery/Gallery1htms/apgp.htm and was basically a modified Series II with flotation bags. The OTAL is here http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/Gallery/Gallery2htms/ausamph.htm and was a more custom job, originally for the Aus army. Alex >Could be the OTAL (One Tonne Amphibious Landrover) or the APGP (Air >Portable General Purpose). Neither were particularly successfull. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >http://www.dunsfoldcollection.co.uk/Gallery/Gallery2htms/ausamph.htm >and was a more custom job, originally for the Aus army. I reckon it was this one, or one like it. still looks better than the thing that started this discussion. On Tuesday, in article <k871l0p178e107q2be5cegfpih2q8j7u2n@4ax.com> > >Disco Duck vaguely muttered something like ... > >> I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Something like a Stalwart or DUKW springs to mind as rather more > capable. There was an amphibious jeep with some general resemblance to a DUKW. That is, a boatlike body on an existing chassis. I don't know how the weight of an SWB Land Rover compares to an original Jeep, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an amphibious SWB in the same general style. SignatureDavid G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. "History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee was bitten by a radioactive spider." >There was an amphibious jeep with some general resemblance to a DUKW. >That is, a boatlike body on an existing chassis. > >I don't know how the weight of an SWB Land Rover compares to an original >Jeep, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of an amphibious SWB in >the same general style. There was a thing called amphi-ranger which looked dead handy. may still be for all I know. here's a picture or 2: http://www.amphib2000.com/info/amphiranger.htm another site says they've not produced it for 10 years. Pity, really. I daresay you could do a bit with that closed-cell foam stuff they use for floatation in boats, and fill all the wheel arch spaces and so on on a series. Whether you'd get enough floation, I don't know. >I daresay you could do a bit with that closed-cell foam stuff they use for >floatation in boats, and fill all the wheel arch spaces and so on on a >series. Whether you'd get enough floation, I don't know. On the basis of a loaded Series 2 weighing 2 tonnes, you need to displace 2 cubic metres of water to get it to float. If you can a) seal the passenger compartment and b) fit floatation stuff in the wing spaces and c) add some flotation tanks fore and aft then it shouldn't be that difficult to get 2 cubic metres of fresh air underwater. I have to note, however, that Solihull never managed (a) from above, let alone from below. SignatureTim Hobbs '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig" '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt" '03 Volvo V70 My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com On Wednesday, in article <p5k2l0tiugmmhgk82ofr72svvvoov5igr2@4ax.com> > >I daresay you could do a bit with that closed-cell foam stuff they use for > >floatation in boats, and fill all the wheel arch spaces and so on on a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I have to note, however, that Solihull never managed (a) from above, > let alone from below. I think you'd also have to take into account the weight distribution. It would be nose-heavy unloaded and, while you could easily add flotation between the chassis rails, that would reduce stability. That's partly why the amphibious Jeep of WW2 had a purpose-built hull, like the DUKW. No doors, for one thing. I expect the hull would seal to the transfer box, so that axle movement wouldn't affect the seals, but engine/transmission movement relative the the chassis would still be a difficulty. Bilge pumps, of course. So you end up with a bigger vehicle, likely with a reduced off-road capacity on land, and of a type not intended for front-line tactical use, SAS notwithstanding. And you can't fit as many on a landing craft. An amphibious truck has some point, running between the ship and the supply dump, but the smaller vehicles seem of rather less use. SignatureDavid G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. "History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee was bitten by a radioactive spider." David G. Bell wrote: > On Wednesday, in article > <p5k2l0tiugmmhgk82ofr72svvvoov5igr2@4ax.com> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > An amphibious truck has some point, running between the ship and the > supply dump, but the smaller vehicles seem of rather less use. You could take a substantially easier approach - namely the same one as used by the Sherman-DD (Duplex Drive). Yes, that is a Sherman Tank. It waterproofed the cabin and then used a canvas screen which extended well above the turret to act as a hull - duplex drive referred to its water propulsion system. http://www.battletanks.com/m4_w_dd.htm P. SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ Paul S. Brown vaguely muttered something like ... > David G. Bell wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > http://www.battletanks.com/m4_w_dd.htm Which also didn't work ... and which IIRC actually killed a few crews simply by not working ... SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules !!! http://paul-xxx.blogspot.com/ Just started a blog .. "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." > Which also didn't work ... and which IIRC actually killed a few crews simply > by not working ... In calm conditions for which it was designed, it worked very well. Unfortunately on D-Day the conditions were anything but calm. This was compounded by the Shermans being launched 6 miles out to sea. By the time they arrived at the beach the tide was running and the crews didn't have the nautical nous to turn into the waves. There's a picture in ILRO this month of two guys driving a 110 across the Irish Sea. Uses 2 giant float bags, one either side. And then there's the VW schwimvagen (sp?). Pete Signature____________________________________________________________________ Pete Young pete@antipope.dot.org Remove .dot to reply "Just another crouton, floating on the bouillabaisse of life" Pete Young vaguely muttered something like ... >> Which also didn't work ... and which IIRC actually killed a few crews >> simply by not working ... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > By the time they arrived at the beach the tide was running and > the crews didn't have the nautical nous to turn into the waves. Heheheh, yeah ... and they were our allies ... silly merkins ... ;) > There's a picture in ILRO this month of two guys driving a 110 > across the Irish Sea. Uses 2 giant float bags, one either side. > > And then there's the VW schwimvagen (sp?). Think it's schwimmwagen .. I remember building an Airfix kit of one of these, many moons ago .. ;) Great looking little thing. SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules !!! http://paul-xxx.blogspot.com/ Just started a blog .. "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." > Paul S. Brown vaguely muttered something like ... >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Which also didn't work ... and which IIRC actually killed a few crews simply > by not working ... If your ever down Dorchester way try and get to the tank museum at Bovington. They have got one of the these tanks kitted out with the canvas screen. Indeed it may be the only one left. It's also a fantastic place to spend a day if you like that sort of thing, which I do. The kids liked it but the missus was bored sh****ss. Signaturesimon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk Simon Barr. '97 110 300Tdi. >> Paul S. Brown vaguely muttered something like ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > like that sort of thing, which I do. The kids liked it but the missus was > bored sh****ss. And this weekend there is a model (Airfix type ,sorry) show. Will I be seeing anybody there? Look out for the Austrailian B 57 ,that will be me behind it (or there abouts) > > Paul S. Brown vaguely muttered something like ... > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > like that sort of thing, which I do. The kids liked it but the missus was > bored sh****ss. Yeah, mine was too! The King Tiger is feckin massive in the extreme!!! Nige Simon Barr vaguely muttered something like ... >> Paul S. Brown vaguely muttered something like ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > If your ever down Dorchester way try and get to the tank museum at > Bovington. We've been there ... > They have got one of the these tanks kitted out with the canvas screen. But can't remember seeing it .. ;) > Indeed it may be the only one left. It's also a fantastic place to spend > a day if you like that sort of thing, which I do. The kids liked it but > the missus was bored sh****ss. Heheheh, <cue Twilight Zone music> same here .. ;) SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules !!! http://paul-xxx.blogspot.com/ Just started a blog .. "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." >> Indeed it may be the only one left. It's also a fantastic place to spend >> a day if you like that sort of thing, which I do. The kids liked it but >> the missus was bored sh****ss. > > Heheheh, <cue Twilight Zone music> same here .. ;) The only reason I got away with going there was 'cos it was my birthdayand she made the mistake of asking me what I wanted to do. Wouldn't have got there otherwise as she had already had to endure the Muckleburgh collection earlier in the year and knew what to expect. Signaturesimon at sbarr dot demon dot co dot uk Simon Barr. '97 110 300Tdi. <Snip> >> You could take a substantially easier approach - namely the same one as >> used by the Sherman-DD (Duplex Drive). [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Which also didn't work ... and which IIRC actually killed a few crews simply > by not working ... IIRC British and Canadian (?) ones, used correctly during D Day, were a success where as the Americans launched to far out in too choppy conditions and, as a result, suffered accordingly.Later on they were used again on many river crossings into the German held areas. The first DD were Vickers Valentines several of which now recide offshore around the Waymouth- Portland area >>I daresay you could do a bit with that closed-cell foam stuff they use for >>floatation in boats, and fill all the wheel arch spaces and so on on a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >I have to note, however, that Solihull never managed (a) from above, >let alone from below. TV show "Monster Garage" did this with a New Beetle (I think). Actually went a stage further and put a airscrew in the back to convert it into an everglades style air boat. The thing was clearly sinking by the end of the program, and IMHO the most impressive thing was watching the proper airboat they were "racing" against drive itself out of the water and back onto its trailer. No winches, no wheels just a BIG fan attached to a healthy sounding V8. Not that I watch this rubbish, of course. David > I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. > > Hud > > http://www.terrawind.com/H2oex.htm LOL!!! You would expect a load of US Marines to come bursting out of the front & if you happened to be in the UK army, shoot you dead, or possibly miss & shoot themselves dead! Nige Ahh.But thats ok because its"friendly fire" it must just tap you lightly on the shoulder and ask you politely to stop doing that!!! Icky > > I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nige Hi, Land Rover manage it with 1 engine and a 90. No reason why a disco should not be used. See LRO for October 2003 page 68. John > > I can see this would be real useful in the swamps of Florida. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nige |
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