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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / September 2004Why don't politicians like 4x4's
I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in !! I wonder if their perks ( for the jerks) of large ministerial auto's and jets will be going down the same road ?? I can understand the arguement for the school run, but surely this should apply to all cars not just 4x4's, what the hell have we done ? -- " ..... it is the provenence of knowledge to speak, and it is the privelage of wisdom to listen" On Wednesday, in article <ioc4d.52$t06.9@newsfe6-win.ntli.net> > I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The > latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can understand the arguement for the school run, but surely this should > apply to all cars not just 4x4's, what the hell have we done ? Offended the Ramblers?  SignatureDavid G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. "History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee was bitten by a radioactive spider." > I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The > latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > -- What have we done? Well, we have bought a car that will have a life (statistically) three times longer than the average car. We also have a car that is 'safer' in the way that you see the traffic from a higher point of view, and also is less prone to speeding. But I'm biased, of course. -- Henry! -- "Pleasure in a thing of beauty is the essence of a good life." Zino Davidoff Henry! left a note on my windscreen which said: > and also is less prone > to speeding. Well, there you have it. What's the point of a vehicle which is less likely to provide funds for the revenue cameras? SignatureStoneskin [Insert sig text here] > Henry! left a note on my windscreen which said: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well, there you have it. What's the point of a vehicle which is less > likely to provide funds for the revenue cameras? So *that*'s why they outlawed Thundersley Invalid Carriages. P. SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ I feel the politicians view may have been generated by one certain mayor whose tendencies lean towards the 'red'. A person who does not own a car, hates all cars and insists public transport is the way forward. I tend to agree that the X5 for the 200 yd school run is stupid and if I look a little east from where I live to an area of Southend named Thorpe bay, the abundance of 'designer' 4x4's is very evident and not necessary from any practical point of view. It is a shame we are all tarred with the same brush and impossible to prove legitimacy of use. I have a busines idea to manufacture kiddy steps to allow the little darlings to get in and out of daddy's Porsche Cayenne!!!!! AlunP >I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The >latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >-- We've exercised independent judgement rather than buy the type of vehicles which most motor manufacturers thought we ought to buy. This provokes a backlash of inverted snobbery from the weak minded cannon fodder who have just bought what the advert tells them to buy. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting Could it be that 4x4s are driven by middle/lower class people, who they don't care about, while the REAL gas guzzlers are the damn great things that 'really' important people drive? >> I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain >> votes. The [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > provokes a backlash of inverted snobbery from the weak minded cannon > fodder who have just bought what the advert tells them to buy. >Could it be that 4x4s are driven by middle/lower class people Well, as a middle/lower class person, I'd love a new Rangie... >>Could it be that 4x4s are driven by middle/lower class people > >Well, as a middle/lower class person, I'd love a new Rangie... Funny, I had you posted as much lower class than that.... Alex >>Well, as a middle/lower class person, I'd love a new Rangie... > >Funny, I had you posted as much lower class than that.... Unlike you to confuse fashion with style... >>>Well, as a middle/lower class person, I'd love a new Rangie... >> >>Funny, I had you posted as much lower class than that.... > >Unlike you to confuse fashion with style... I didn't know you had either.... Alex >>Unlike you to confuse fashion with style... > >I didn't know you had either.... Spoken like a true, bitter, ex-101 owner... >>>Unlike you to confuse fashion with style... >> >>I didn't know you had either.... > >Spoken like a true, bitter, ex-101 owner... Ooooooh, that's looooowwww. Alex Round here on my ex Council estate it's mostly series and defenders with the odd suzuki thrown in, all pretty funtional motors. mostly labour voters too. -- Larry Series 3 rust and holes > Could it be that 4x4s are driven by middle/lower class people, who they > don't care about, while the REAL gas guzzlers are the damn great things > that 'really' important people drive? > > In message <ioc4d.52$t06.9@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>, Hirsty's Bloody ramblers with there great big boots churning up all the green lanes, can't we have them banned :) -- Larry Series 3 rust and holes > We've exercised independent judgement rather than buy the type of > vehicles which most motor manufacturers thought we ought to buy. This [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > hugh > Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >Bloody ramblers with there great big boots churning up all the green lanes, >can't we have them banned :) Not a lot of people realise the strange 'tool' on a Swiss Army knife - you know, the sticky-outy thing, is actually intended to help remove ramblers from the tyre tread on a Landie... Mind, if it's Janet sh.t-Potty I'd be concerned of punctures from her teeth. Best use a lump-hammer to remove them first, then prize her out of the tread... Ah!! you need the one I have. It's slightly larger than the little sticky out thingy and with a bit of application enables you to hammer them back into the tread if they are'nt quite done. I call it my "roamer" knife > Not a lot of people realise the strange 'tool' on a Swiss Army knife - > you know, the sticky-outy thing, is actually intended to help remove [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > teeth. Best use a lump-hammer to remove them first, then prize her > out of the tread... >Not a lot of people realise the strange 'tool' on a Swiss Army knife - >you know, the sticky-outy thing, is actually intended to help remove >ramblers from the tyre tread on a Landie... You're kidding me, some git at the northern Sortout near Harrogate sold me a large hammer for putting the buggers in there in the first place. Apparently it's going to be particularly icy this winter. SignatureWayne Davies - Mobile 07989 556213 - Harrogate, N.Yorks, UK Coz the're eejits ! -- Larry Series 3 rust and holes > I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The > latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > " ..... it is the provenence of knowledge to speak, and it is the privelage > of wisdom to listen" Why would they like a 4x4 when they can have two Jaguars instead? And, rather like fox hunting, discussing 4x4s wastes enough parliamentary time that they don't have to get round to discussing any important matters !!! Why are the press not hounding this Govt. out of power? They did the last one! And if they did who on earth would we pick to succeed them at the moment! David LLAMA 4x4 www.llama4x4.co.uk > I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The > latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > " ..... it is the provenence of knowledge to speak, and it is the privelage > of wisdom to listen" Further to my above posting I have just seen on the news that the MP who has put the hunting bill up for discussion again has had to cancel 2 appearances because of pro-hunt demonstrations. He says he is surprised that they have nothing better to do with their time than to demonstrate!!!! Surely he has better things to discuss in Parliament than foxes - wjat about Iraq? The faultering economy? Immigration? Train network collapse? and that isn't even touching on health and education!!!! I am not posting to support humting - each will have their own view on this. I am posting to highlight whay muppets we have in parliament at the moment! They doubt we should be allowed to demonstration despite being a democracy. They skirt any awkward issues and they threaten to miss out stages of Govornment by bypassing the Lords! And all of this from a party who only got 1 in 4 of the populations vote. Are we allowing a backdoor precedent of a Big Brother society to rule us?? End of speach! Soapboxes should be racing not stood on I suppose! David LLAMA 4x4 www.llama4x4.co.uk > Why would they like a 4x4 when they can have two Jaguars instead? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > privelage > > of wisdom to listen" > Are we allowing a backdoor precedent of a Big Brother society to rule us?? They're only finishing off what the Tories started (hint: "Tony Blair PM" is an anagram of "I'm Tory Plan B") >Further to my above posting I have just seen on the news that the MP who has >put the hunting bill up for discussion again has had to cancel 2 appearances [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >End of speach! Soapboxes should be racing not stood on I suppose! Exactly. Stick to talking on things you know something about, and which is relevant to alt.fan.landrover. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >>End of speach! Soapboxes should be racing not stood on I suppose! >> >Exactly. Stick to talking on things you know something about, and which >is relevant to alt.fan.landrover. What an empty and p'raps boring group this would be should people follow your jackbooted assertion. >>>End of speach! Soapboxes should be racing not stood on I suppose! >>> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >What an empty and p'raps boring group this would be should people >follow your jackbooted assertion. aye, 'twould be boring. variety is the wossname of thing. and besides, I tend to agree - the hunting thing is just a smoke and mirrors exercise to distract the gullible from the state of the country in the run-up to el presidente Bliar's re-election campaign. >and besides, I tend to agree - the hunting thing is just a smoke and mirrors >exercise to distract the gullible from the state of the country in the >run-up to el presidente Bliar's re-election campaign. It don't matter who you vote for, the fecking Government always get in. 'sides, not many people realise that there's actually no such word in the Oxford English Dictionary of "gullible". SignatureSome Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/ I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info >>and besides, I tend to agree - the hunting thing is just a smoke and mirrors >>exercise to distract the gullible from the state of the country in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >'sides, not many people realise that there's actually no such word in >the Oxford English Dictionary of "gullible". I'm not falling for that one... >>>and besides, I tend to agree - the hunting thing is just a smoke and >>>mirrors exercise to distract the gullible from the state of the country [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I'm not falling for that one... Twice... SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ >>>>End of speach! Soapboxes should be racing not stood on I suppose! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >exercise to distract the gullible from the state of the country in the >run-up to el presidente Bliar's re-election campaign. Bollocks Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting > >Further to my above posting I have just seen on the news that the MP who has > >put the hunting bill up for discussion again has had to cancel 2 appearances [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > hugh > Reply to address is valid at the time of posting Relevance to the NG I accept your comments though it is not me who started the thread. But why am I not qualified to talk about politics - what is there to say I know nothing about it? On the subject of qualifications and Govt. - politicions don't need any and yet they are allowed to run a country! Try setting up as a Doctor or MOT tester without the correct qualification and you won't be allowed. MPs are not always right. They are not always the best informed or qualified on matters that they take decisions on. It is our job to question them and keep our democracy alive. David LLAMA 4x4 www.llama4x4.co.uk >> >Further to my above posting I have just seen on the news that the MP who >has [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >LLAMA 4x4 > www.llama4x4.co.uk The Op was relevant as it related to 4x4's. I don't give sh.t about your political views, I just don't want to read them on this particular newsgroup. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >The Op was relevant as it related to 4x4's. I don't give sh.t about your >political views, I just don't want to read them on this particular >newsgroup. Then please do feel free to exercise your right to f.ck off somewhere else and be a complete knob, then. Fuckwitted confrontational trolling twatish little prick that you appear to be. >>The Op was relevant as it related to 4x4's. I don't give sh.t about your >>political views, I just don't want to read them on this particular [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >else and be a complete knob, then. Fuckwitted confrontational >trolling twatish little prick that you appear to be. Oh dear we are getting emotional aren't we. This is alt.fan.LANDROVER in case you hadn't noticed. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >Oh dear we are getting emotional aren't we. This is alt.fan.LANDROVER in >case you hadn't noticed. Oh dear, I think you're confusing me for someone who gives a sh.t about what a little twatish netkop like you thinks. go figure, clueless fuckwit. >>Oh dear we are getting emotional aren't we. This is alt.fan.LANDROVER in >>case you hadn't noticed. > >Oh dear, I think you're confusing me for someone who gives a sh.t >about what a little twatish netkop like you thinks. go figure, >clueless fuckwit. come now, Martyn, don't hold back, let him know what you really think of him... ... :-) >>Oh dear we are getting emotional aren't we. This is alt.fan.LANDROVER in >>case you hadn't noticed. > >Oh dear, I think you're confusing me for someone who gives a sh.t >about what a little twatish netkop like you thinks. go figure, >clueless fuckwit. Why don't you use your full name Mr f.cker? Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >Why don't you use your full name Mr f.cker? Oooh... I'm hurt. Seldom have I been the focus of such erudite and thoughtful constructive criticism. Rarely do I find such a match. I must concede to being beaten in colossal and monumental terms by someone so obviously superior to my humbled self. <PLONK> SignatureVs shpxjvgf pbhyq syl. Lbh'q unir lbhe bja nvecbeg. > >Why don't you use your full name Mr f.cker? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Vs shpxjvgf pbhyq syl. Lbh'q unir lbhe bja nvecbeg. I'd quite forgotten about ROT13 until I saw this! -- Simon Isaacs Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how much more....) 3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer! Suzuki SJ410 (Fianc?e's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next 1993 200 TDi Discovery (the Pug 106 is dead, long live the Pug) Peterborough 4x4 Club http://www.peterborough4x4.co.uk >>Why don't you use your full name Mr f.cker? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ><PLONK> Oh good. Now hopefully I won't have to put up with any more of these ignorant, abusive, moronic posts which are so so hurtful. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting hugh vaguely muttered something like ... > The Op was relevant as it related to 4x4's. I don't give sh.t about your > political views, I just don't want to read them on this particular > newsgroup. So why bother reading and responding to what is obviously, as it's noted in the subject line, an overtly politically biased thread ? Politics and peoples personal views are a damn certainty to be aired, otherwise there'd be no friggin' thread at all. I agree with Mother, you're a clueless fuckwit .. ;) SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules !!! "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." >hugh vaguely muttered something like ... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >I agree with Mother, you're a clueless fuckwit .. ;) Because what politician think about 4x4's is relevant to this group. health service, education, Iraq and such like isn't. Is that too complicated for you? Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting hugh vaguely muttered something like ... >> hugh vaguely muttered something like ... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > health service, education, Iraq and such like isn't. Is that too > complicated for you? While your point has some merit, it's also that same ideal that colours anothers viewpoint of what a politician does, is and has affected people, so 'extra' comments are bound to crop up. Learn to live with them, Usenet will be a much nicer place for you .. ;) If you think everyone should stay rigidly to the topic on discussion then setup your own moderated newsgroup and f.ck off. SignaturePaul ... (8(|) Homer Rules !!! "A tosser is a tosser, no matter what mode of transport they're using." >hugh vaguely muttered something like ... >>> hugh vaguely muttered something like ... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >If you think everyone should stay rigidly to the topic on discussion then >setup your own moderated newsgroup and f.ck off. And so you come inevitably to the contradiction in your argument. I don't expect you to see it, but it really is too tiresome to explain everything to such an intellectual pigmy. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting On Thursday, in article <citr06$f5g$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> > Why are the press not hounding this Govt. out of power? They did the last > one! And if they did who on earth would we pick to succeed them at the > moment! Looking at the ethnic diversity of the local W.I., here in this patch of rural Lincolnshire, it'd be more than my lunch was worth to vote for Howard's mob, so I reckon I'd have to vote Lib-Dem again. SignatureDavid G. Bell -- SF Fan, Filker, and Punslinger. "History shows that the Singularity started when Sir Tim Berners-Lee was bitten by a radioactive spider." >On Thursday, in article <citr06$f5g$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >rural Lincolnshire, it'd be more than my lunch was worth to vote for >Howard's mob, so I reckon I'd have to vote Lib-Dem again. bugger them, they're proposing punitive taxes on 4x4s. I was going to send 'em a spicy message about not jumping on bandwagons, but the feedback page thing on their website's broken, so I sent email complaining about that instead. Luckily I saved the text I was gonna send 'em, so if I find a way of sending it... meanwhile, you can read it here: <quote> I gather it will be LibDem policy to apply punitive taxes to "large 4x4s", in the event of the party being in a position enact such things. You'll not get my support for jumping on the anti-4x4 bandwagon alongside such shallow thinkers as Mr. Livingstone of London. I use a "large 4x4", among other uses, to transport up to 7 children at a time from remote areas to school or to meet the school bus. Rest assured that if I get hit by increased road taxes, I will pass the increase on to the local authority, who pay me for this work, and they will then have to raise the council tax in order to fund it. What goes around comes around. You'd do better to consider the use to which all large cars (including 4x4s) are put, and whether they are needed for what they're doing. Some attention to stopping people from driving their precious darling kids to school half a mile away wouldn't go amiss either, schemes such as "walking buses" have been tried in some areas with considerable success. </quote> >Some attention to stopping people from driving their precious darling kids >to school half a mile away wouldn't go amiss either, schemes such as >"walking buses" have been tried in some areas with considerable success. Indeed, and such a strategy also helps to reduce these little darlings becoming socially insular, overweight little brats.... Talking of socially insular, overweight grown-up brats... Just before going off to float the Warwickshire ring for a week I was chatting to a neighbour whilst clearing some stuff out of Grumble following Peterborough. A young lad, prolly 4 or 5 years old appeared by the truck. I asked him if he was lost? - no response, I asked him where mummy or daddy was?, no response... Suddenly a woman appeared, running down the road screaming (very loudly, I may add) "GET AWAY FROM MY CHILD, GET AWAY FROM MY CHILD!". She snatched him from the pavement not 6 foot away from me with a force that could easily have broken the poor little sods arm. Bemused, we watched as she literally flew down the road (toward the dead end), threw him into a new(ish) BMW 'people carrier' type thing, underwent the now common ritual of trying to reverse up the road, giving up, doing a 15 point turn, hitting the curb a few times before roaring up to the end of the road (10 yards), going on a further 20 or so yards, parking up (badly) and going into a house there... Ann (neighbour) and I shared a moment of slow head shaking. Some people, we concluded, are simply mad. SignatureSome Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/ I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info >> Some attention to stopping people from driving their precious >> darling kids to school half a mile away wouldn't go amiss either, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Ann (neighbour) and I shared a moment of slow head shaking. Some > people, we concluded, are simply mad. Unfortunately that doesn't disqualify them from breeding! SignatureUR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP If at first you don't succeed, maybe skydiving's not for you! > >Some attention to stopping people from driving their precious darling kids > >to school half a mile away wouldn't go amiss either, schemes such as [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > roaring up to the end of the road (10 yards), going on a further 20 or > so yards, parking up (badly) and going into a house there... That is one of the many reasons that I am beginning to consider ignoring kids wandering around aimlessly. Couple that with the current trend to bang in PI claims (hello your kid fell over in the middle of the road....) and other worse problems.... In this day and age where people take most of their information from the sensationalist hype spoon fed through the gross media that is the dubious side of the tabloid press, it begins to worry me what the country is coming too.... -- Simon Isaacs Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how much more....) 3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer! Suzuki SJ410 (Fianc?e's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next 1993 200 TDi Discovery (the Pug 106 is dead, long live the Pug) Peterborough 4x4 Club http://www.peterborough4x4.co.uk > I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The > latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can understand the arguement for the school run, but surely this should > apply to all cars not just 4x4's, what the hell have we done ? Don't want to hijack this thread but ....What if all genuine 4x4 owners agreed to have their vehicles as a seperate sub group on the general licence and had to take a further off road test before being allowed to drive them and that off road test had to have an element of Green Lane etiquette in it? How many bus run vehicles would be around then? Granted it would effct sales of vehicles but it would show that the damage is caused by others and not us and that we would then be the Good Guys for promoting a way forward. Just a thought:>) MAB >Don't want to hijack this thread but ....What if all genuine 4x4 >owners agreed to have their vehicles as a seperate sub group on the >general licence and had to take a further off road test before being >allowed to drive them and that off road test had to have an element of >Green Lane etiquette in it? Oooh... I can see endless focus groups, strategy committies and a handful of independent regulatory authorities... The thing I can NEVER understand is why the feck it actually matters how many wheels are driven? I think that the reality is, it doesn't matter at all, it's more a perceptual image thing. P'raps if we all drove 2WD busses (which, out of service are classed pretty much as private vehicles) or 7.5 tonne trucks for the skool run... Hmm.. there's and idea... SignatureSome Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/ I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info It is not so much the number of driven wheel but the physical size, engine size and fuel consunption that seems to irritate those in 'power'. Or is it the fact that a new 'designer' 4x4 costs anything from 30k upwards that gets up their noses? Let us consider a practcal element ..last weekend i took my son to Leeds where he started university, all his stuff in my RR and one 450 mile round trip, this is against friends who have to take two cars to carry their son's possessions, hire a van or make two trips...............which of the afore mentioned has less of an impact on the environment???? (if the environment really is the issue?). For god's sake, if you want a larger engined vehicle with the poor economy that goes with it are you not paying for the priviledge in taxation on fuel? AlunP >It is not so much the number of driven wheel but the physical size, engine >size and fuel consunption that seems to irritate those in 'power'. > >Or is it the fact that a new 'designer' 4x4 costs anything from 30k upwards >that gets up their noses? <Snip> WTF is a "designer 4x4"? Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >>It is not so much the number of driven wheel but the physical size, engine >>size and fuel consunption that seems to irritate those in 'power'. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > <Snip> > WTF is a "designer 4x4"? BMW X3, X5, Merc M Class, Lexus whatever it is, Current model Range Rover - 4x4s that you buy for the label on them rather than their inherent 4x4ness. The replacement for the 1980s 5 Series BMW/Lotus Carlton set. P. SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ >> I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The >> latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >MAB You, like another similar post earlier, are just subscribing to the prejudice. A school run is a school run is a school run, regardless of whether it's an X5, mondeo or whatever. If you object on engine size then say so and include ALL vehicles above a specified capacity, if it's footprint size then a Mondeo is bigger than 110, if it's height then an MPV is a van and a Defender is a car, according to the people who run the M6 toll road!! Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >>> I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain >>> votes. The latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > then an MPV is a van and a Defender is a car, according to the people > who run the M6 toll road!! Make the little b'stds walk!! SignatureUR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP If at first you don't succeed, maybe skydiving's not for you! >>>> I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain >>>> votes. The latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Make the little b'stds walk!! Well, fine, but that's not because they would otherwise ride in a 4x4 is it? Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting > >> I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The > >> latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > MPV is a van and a Defender is a car, according to the people who run > the M6 toll road!! I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers of all 4x4's to recognise the ability of their vehicles and to use them appropriately. It is my belief that if required to go through extra driver training the VAST majority would not be 4x4 drivers. This would leave only those that are prepared to raise their driving skills to meet the abilities of the vehicles they own/use and I would anticipate, as I said before, that some element of off road driving skills including respect and appreciation of the countryside would be included. This I beleive would go some way to appease the anti 4x4 lobby as a positive step to resolving what is, whichever side of the fence you are on, a problem. Unless someone makes a move the situation will not improve and, as there are more of them than there are of us, they will win. Please re read my posts as at no time have I mentioned engine size, fuel economy, type of fuel, size of vehicle, or seating capacity. My reference to 'bus run' was an attempt at levity, totally failed on yourself unfortunately, to highlight the number of drivers that would not want to, or be capable of, completing my proposed extra driving test. This proposal is not without presidence as you can not drive a lorry over 7.5 tons, a minibus carrying children, an electic vehicle etc without a test. These restrictions have been in force for a great many years. MAB >It is my belief that if required to go through >extra driver training the VAST majority would not be 4x4 drivers. It is my belief that if required to undergo the EXISTING driving test again, the VAST majority would not be drivers... SignatureSome Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/ I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info > >It is my belief that if required to go through > >extra driver training the VAST majority would not be 4x4 drivers. > > It is my belief that if required to undergo the EXISTING >driving test which is still a huge waste of time anyway.... -- Simon Isaacs Peterborough 4x4 Club Vice Chairman, Newsletter Editor and Webmaster (how much more....) 3.5V8 100" Hybrid, now LPG converted Part owner of 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer! Suzuki SJ410 (Fianc?e's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next 1993 200 TDi Discovery (the Pug 106 is dead, long live the Pug) Peterborough 4x4 Club http://www.peterborough4x4.co.uk > I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am > suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > skills including respect and appreciation of the countryside would be > included. I take your point, although if that were to happen, I doubt if Land Rover as a business would last a year. If it wasn't for the Disco, and latterly the Freebie (the vast majority of which I would guess are never used off road), LR would have gone down the pan years ago. SignatureRich Series 2a RR 4.6 V8 trialler dog, wife, kids, whatever >> I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am >> suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Freebie (the vast majority of which I would guess are never used off road), >LR would have gone down the pan years ago. 's all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a pig's ear of things. >'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to >focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a >pig's ear of things. You're quite right. The Argentinians don't seem likely to oblige them by invading this time around, so they are having to make something up. Foxes and 4x4's are the bandwagons at the moment. After the considerable success (ahem) of the handgun ban, it has been decided that banning responsible driving of 4x4's will stop people from driving them in a way which is already illegal, or worse, annoying to people who don't like them. If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble, cuddle foxes and grow beards to fit in with the norm. On the plus side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with hounds. SignatureTim Hobbs '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig" '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt" '03 Volvo V70 My Landies? http://www.seriesii.co.uk Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com Tony Luckwill web archive at http://www.luckwill.com >>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to >>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with > hounds. Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all, a Saracen is 6x6, not 6x6. P. SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ >>>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to >>>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all, a >Saracen is 6x6, not 6x6. I think you mean 4x4. Too, I cam make a fortune building 6x6 discos... or maybe "converting" them to 2WD... > I think you mean 4x4. > > Too, I cam make a fortune building 6x6 discos... or maybe "converting" > them to 2WD... I did indeed mean 4x4. "Converting" - interesting phrase for jamming the difflock on and removing the front propshaft, or possibly starting a market for FWHs for Discos. (Only two wheels being driven ossifer, it's a 2WD). Of course, with the swingeing laws this bunch of clowns keep chucking out they could end up getting rid of a lot more cars than they were planning on. All Subarus for example. Any modern performance super sports. I don't know about anybody else, but I'd personally support a separate license classification for offroad capable vehicles. It would certainly remove a lot of the muppets who get us bad names from the hills. Come to think of it, howsabout a separate classification for any car over 1900cc Only achievable once you have held a clean licens for 3 years and are over 21. Yet again, would stop a lot of the dickheads I see around who get their licenses and go and get a 15 year old 520 BMW and drop the suspension, paint it electric pink and go around deafening people. And a requirement for a council issued public events license for any car audio system rated to deliver more than 75W of bass. P. SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ >And a requirement for a council issued public events license for any car >audio system rated to deliver more than 75W of bass. now *that* I like. as to the rest, well, a 2-stage licence as per bikes would be a nice idea. But I can't see it happening. >I don't know about anybody else, but I'd personally support a separate >license classification for offroad capable vehicles. It would certainly >remove a lot of the muppets who get us bad names from the hills. At the same time asking for a separate license classification for sportscars. Might as well get the attention of others while at it. We could all end up in Smart Cars. Anyone put one onto a Range Rover chassis yet? SignatureWayne Davies - Mobile 07989 556213 - Harrogate, N.Yorks, UK >>>>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to >>>>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Too, I cam make a fortune building 6x6 discos... or maybe "converting" them >to 2WD... Just take a prop shaft off, don't you? Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis I'll fecking have you for that y' know... More to the point, Charlotte n my neighbours'll kin have you for that... (I did measure a Stolly to see, once... quite quickly y' understand) >>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to >>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with > hounds. Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all, a Saracen is 6x6, not 4x4. P. SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ And so is a Scammel explorer, drive right over the top of your saracen any day :) -- Larry Series 3 rust and holes > Ban 4x4s and I'm going to go and give my trade to Alvis or GKN. After all, a > Saracen is 6x6, not 4x4. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ >If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble, Many of us do, often, on usenet... >cuddle foxes I'm about to go cuddle a really foxy babe, as it happens... >and grow beards to fit in with the norm. OI! Who're you callin' NORMAL??? >On the plus >side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth >to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with >hounds. What a nice comforting thought to go happily to bed with (when HHGTTG is finsihed, obviously...) SignatureSome Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/ I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info >>'s all just more smoke and mirrors, anyway. summat else fro the plebs to >>focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >driving them in a way which is already illegal, or worse, annoying to >people who don't like them. This thread was I believe started as a response to the Lib-Dems statements, and to the best of my knowledge they are not eh government and hopefully never will be. >If we carry on long enough, we will all be legally required to ramble, >cuddle foxes and grow beards to fit in with the norm. On the plus >side, we will then only have people with stupid voices and big teeth >to victimise, and the Janet Street-Snorter will have to be culled with >hounds. Now your getting the government confused with Guardian readers. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting hugh was greatly moved, and spake thus, saying: > Now your getting the government confused with Guardian readers. Easy to do. One pillock looks much like another. SignatureRich Series 2a RR 4.6 V8 trialler dog, wife, kids, whatever >>> I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am >>> suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >focus their attention on rather than criticise the govermint for making a >pig's ear of things. Rubbish The government is doing such a good job that the press have to find something else to stir things up. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >>>> I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am >>>> suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Rubbish The government is doing such a good job that the press have to > find something else to stir things up. Hmm. A troll appears to have crawled out under his rock and accidentally put on rose coloured glasses over rose coloured contacts. P. SignatureThe email address above is real. http://www.geekstuff.tv/Landies/ >>>>> I am a user and owner of two of the marques finest. What I am >>>>> suggesting is to force, cajoll, frighten, or otherwise enforce drivers [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >P. So anybody who disagrees with you is a troll. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >> >> I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain >> >>votes. The [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >situation will not improve and, as there are more of them than there >are of us, they will win. But he vast majority of owners never take their 4x4s off road, and so why introduce yet another bloody test. People buy these vehicles because they are light and roomy and give a better driving position than a conventional car - and why shouldn't they? >Please re read my posts as at no time have I mentioned engine size, >fuel economy, type of fuel, size of vehicle, or seating capacity. My >reference to 'bus run' was an attempt at levity, totally failed on >yourself unfortunately, to highlight the number of drivers that would >not want to, or be capable of, completing my proposed extra driving >test. Please re-read my post. At no time did I say you did. >This proposal is not without presidence as you can not drive a lorry >over 7.5 tons, a minibus carrying children, an electic vehicle etc >without a test. These restrictions have been in force for a great >many years. For totally different reasons >MAB Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting >I am sick of being the butt of any politicians "in" moan to gain votes. The >latest will be that we are "taxed off the road" if a certain party gets in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >" ..... it is the provenence of knowledge to speak, and it is the privelage >of wisdom to listen" SignatureFrank Erskine Harry? is that you? >Harry? is that you? Careful, I could do without overt shocks to the system on a Friday morning Austin... >>Harry? is that you? > >Careful, I could do without overt shocks to the system on a Friday >morning Austin... sorry, shed joke. There used to be blank messages from "Harry Marsh", we never found out who he was, now any time someone posts a blank message... speaking of 'tother "Harry", you heard anything more? 's all gone very quiet here, bar from a letter a bit back from solicitors who apparently were representing him, requesting information I didn't have. >sorry, shed joke. There used to be blank messages from "Harry Marsh", we >never found out who he was, now any time someone posts a blank message... Ah, 't reminds me, I've several thousand unread posting a la sheddi to mark as read ;-) >speaking of 'tother "Harry", you heard anything more? Currently being paid for by the rest of us to have a nice secure holiday. Long may it continue - at least summat positive is comin' from mi taxes at last... SignatureSome Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/ I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info >>sorry, shed joke. There used to be blank messages from "Harry Marsh", we >>never found out who he was, now any time someone posts a blank message... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >holiday. Long may it continue - at least summat positive is comin' >from mi taxes at last... last I heard was that he was awaiting trial, wondered if there was any further news, that's all. I was aware of his secure holidaying. Not seen anything in the local rag, but then again, you can't actually rely on the local rag to print what you want to read... >last I heard was that he was awaiting trial, wondered if there was any >further news, that's all. I was aware of his secure holidaying. Not seen >anything in the local rag, but then again, you can't actually rely on the >local rag to print what you want to read... Have to admit, I haven't been actively trying to gain any information for a while, just enjoying the peace. Only trouble is, 'time' on remand will come off his final sentence and I'm led to believe that it's a lot more cushy whilst on remand... I'm pretty sure 'that site' will be updated with the date of the trial when it's known, though :-) SignatureSome Land Roveresque (101 biased), links available from: http://links.solis.co.uk/Geek/X4_Land_Rover/ I also have a little Land Rover site biased toward my beloved 101 "Grumble", at: http://www.101fc.net Reading this in 'alt.fan.landrover'? Did you know there's a group FAQ: http://www.aflfaq.dyndns.info |
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