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Nige - 27 Sep 2004 22:15 GMT Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new looking) box onto the axle etc, I just cant see exactly where from? Is there a common problem I should know about but don't?
Ta
Nige
Pantelis Giamarellos - 28 Sep 2004 05:37 GMT Nige Hi,
you don't say which model of Landy you have so I presume it is a Defender, Disco or RaRo. If you have a PAS system leak this most probably must come from the PAS box.
It is known for the stop leak additives to have cured this problem occasionaly. Same results were also achieved by adding some brake fluid to your PAS fluid reservoir. Brake fluid reportedly has the capability of increasing the volume of rubber seals therefore renewing their sealing capacity.
Take care Pantelis
> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new looking) box onto the axle etc, I just > cant see exactly where from? Is there a common problem I should know about but don't? > > Ta > > Nige Nige - 28 Sep 2004 08:47 GMT > Nige Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Take care > Pantelis Hi, cheers, It's a RRC, I'll have a look at the pipes etc first, just wondered if anyone knew of inherent problems?
Hirsty's - 28 Sep 2004 08:51 GMT Watch it's not simply running down from the reservoir onto the box !!
> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new looking) box onto the axle etc, I just > cant see exactly where from? Is there a common problem I should know about but don't? > > Ta > > Nige beamendsltd - 28 Sep 2004 08:55 GMT > Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new looking) box onto the axle etc, I just > cant see exactly where from? Is there a common problem I should know about but don't? > > Ta > > Nige It's a common problem - the seal in the bottom of the box "cuts" a groove in the output ("sector") shaft. Replacing the seal may work for a bit (make sure it's a blue one), but the only real solution is to get a recon box - making sure its got more re than con, i.e. it has a new output shaft and full seal kit fitted. A good supplier will offer a 12 month warranty.
Richard
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Huw - 28 Sep 2004 19:26 GMT >> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new >> looking) box onto the axle etc, I just cant see exactly where from? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Richard My Defender has gone through four or five steering boxes because of various wear related problems in 20 years 125000 miles. They are a poor quality product but thankfully a recon box from those nice people in Exchange & Mart, 'National Power Steering', does not cost a King's ransom.
Huw
Nige - 28 Sep 2004 19:37 GMT >>> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new >>> looking) box onto the axle etc, I just cant see exactly where from? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Huw Roughly how much matey?
Nige
Huw - 28 Sep 2004 19:43 GMT >>>> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new >>>> looking) box onto the axle etc, I just cant see exactly where from? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Nige Can't remember even roughly. The last one was some four or five years ago and I do go through and see a huge number of parts on almost a daily basis, most all of which are not LR related you'll be glad to know.
Huw
beamendsltd - 29 Sep 2004 09:03 GMT > >>> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new > >>> looking) box onto the axle etc, I just cant see exactly where from? [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Nige <shameless plug> 115.00 plus VAT here (85.00 surcharge if the old one's knackered) - 12 month warranty of course </shameless plug> Richard
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Austin Shackles - 29 Sep 2004 10:12 GMT > <shameless plug> 115.00 plus VAT here (85.00 surcharge if the old > one's knackered) - 12 month warranty of course > > </shameless plug> I might take you up on that one day, mine leaks a bit too. depends if I can blag it through the MOT...
beamendsltd - 29 Sep 2004 09:03 GMT > >> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new > >> looking) box onto the axle etc, I just cant see exactly where from? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Huw but then mine has done 226,000 - and not the slightest smudge of oil (yes - there is some in it!) - I suppose it's luck of the draw....
Richard
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Huw - 29 Sep 2004 12:23 GMT >>>> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new >>>> looking) box onto the axle etc, I just cant see exactly where from? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Richard Very lucky. I have had various LR products with this design of box over the years, all on newer machines than 'old faithfull' and have always had to change 'boxes regularly. My experience is that the more offroad or rough terrain use the vehicle has, the shorter the box life. Longest I have managed is 80,000 mainly road miles in an '88 Range Rover. I don't tend to worry about the leak that only needs topping up every fortnight. Boxes also fail with symptoms such as heavy steering and excess wandering [yes I know how to adjust it].
I've never had a box fail on a jap vehicle yet but my Trooper is only just coming up to 100,000 and the LC 80,000. Lucky? Maybe. Certainly lucky for my pocket.
Huw
Richard Savage - 29 Sep 2004 19:33 GMT >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Huw,
88 RRC on 147,000 miles but with original steering box. Most everything else is falling to bits tho'!
What can you tell me about your Trooper? Mate has an L reg 3.1TD LWB Citation that he has asked me to sell but I'm thinking of having to replace the RR. The Trooper has done 117,000 miles - he's done the last 62K since 1998, mostly on motorways.
Richard
Huw - 29 Sep 2004 19:42 GMT >> Very lucky. I have had various LR products with this design of box >> over the years, all on newer machines than 'old faithfull' and have >> always had to change 'boxes regularly. My experience is that the more
>> offroad or rough terrain use the vehicle has, the shorter the box >> life. Longest I have managed is 80,000 mainly road miles in an '88 >> Range Rover. >> I don't tend to worry about the leak that only needs topping up every
>> fortnight. Boxes also fail with symptoms such as heavy steering and >> excess wandering [yes I know how to adjust it]. >> >> I've never had a box fail on a jap vehicle yet but my Trooper is only
>> just coming up to 100,000 and the LC 80,000. Lucky? Maybe. Certainly
>> lucky for my pocket. >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > replace the RR. The Trooper has done 117,000 miles - he's done the > last 62K since 1998, mostly on motorways. Very nice and comfortable. Slightly high fuel consumption. Expensive parts. Very poor electrics which are difficult to repair and expensive. Weak points in this area are all switches, especially window and light rheostat switches. Lots of cappillary tubes around the engine which split at the nipples..... best disconnected and plugged.
Very good quality body and mechanical parts. Poor chassis rustproofing. Excellent towing vehicle. Moderate offroading ability, though much better than most people need. In common with similar coil springed rear ends, in heavy use they tend to lose those stupid rubber bump stops which lie like hedgehogs around the countryside.
Huw
Richard Savage - 29 Sep 2004 20:25 GMT >Very nice and comfortable. Slightly high fuel consumption. Expensive >parts. Very poor electrics which are difficult to repair and [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Thanks Huw,
Slightly high fuel consumption - when compaired with a 3.5 Efi RRC??? Dodgy electrics - ditto! What do the tubes do? Hedgehog loss - sounds worryingly like my RRC ;-)
One last question, please (assuming that your's is a Citation diesel - if that makes any difference): how high is it? My local tip has a height restriction that claims to be 6'2" high (or low) which the RRC goes under without a hesitation and I have seen one LWB Citation in the place, but . . . .
I can see over my RRC but I am 6'2'' tall and yet the manual for it claims that it is 6'2''! I can just about stand under the height restrictor.
Regards Richard
Nige - 29 Sep 2004 20:40 GMT >>Very lucky. I have had various LR products with this design of box >>over the years, all on newer machines than 'old faithfull' and have [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Richard I just sold my Trooper, if you want a very strong reliable machine they are superbly built, but just don't have the X factor. I used mine 3.1tdi for 6 months as my main car & it was well sound with only minor stuff going tits up!
Great 3.1 tdi engine too, nice box in auto mode too.
Nige
Richard Savage - 29 Sep 2004 22:10 GMT >I just sold my Trooper, if you want a very strong reliable machine they are superbly built, but just >don't have the X factor. I used mine 3.1tdi for 6 months as my main car & it was well sound with only [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Thanks Nige,
To be honest I've had enough of the X factor that my RRC possesses. I know that the Trooper will have the J factor (bland 'does what it says on the tin' of a Jap motor), but I really want a machine that isn't falling apart at an increasing rate with space, towing power, a proper back door and enough height to be above the run-of-the-mill cages (but less than 6'2'' high) that stops and starts when I want it to do so. The height restriction rules out Discos and Defender.
The fact that my friend has done half of the mileage of his Trooper and he is only the third owner makes me more inclined to buy his vehicle rather than look for a lower mileage but more expensive option. Unfortunately his is manual but having had to replace the autobox on the RRC I'm tempted by the hope that a manual box is more hardwearing that an autobox. What do you think? And is the Trooper under 6'2'' high?
Rgds Richard
PS sorry for hijacking this part of the thread, perhaps I should repost under a separate title?
Nige - 28 Sep 2004 19:36 GMT >> Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new looking) box onto the axle etc, I >> just [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Richard Hi matey, it's coming from above the box & running down over it. I'll have a good look tomorrow.
Nige
Huw - 28 Sep 2004 19:45 GMT > Hi matey, it's coming from above the box & running down over it. I'll > have a good look tomorrow. Leaky pipe, union or reservoir or, worse case, a split housing.
Huw
Nige - 28 Sep 2004 19:54 GMT > Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new looking) box onto the axle etc, I > just cant see exactly where from? Is there a common problem I should know about but don't? > > Ta > > Nige Just had another look, none of the pipe unions are loose or leaking, it's covered in fluid & it seems to be leaking from the shaft where the column goes in, but there's more underneath too. Jet wash time I think to clear it off & see where it is coming from!
Nige
Pantelis Giamarellos - 28 Sep 2004 21:53 GMT Nige Hi,
I seem to remember an advertisement in LROI from someone selling reconditioned PAS boxes for 110 pounds.
Take care Pantelis
> > Seems to have a PS fluid leak, dripping down the front of the (new looking) box onto the axle etc, I > > just cant see exactly where from? Is there a common problem I should know about but don't? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nige
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