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90 Safari rear door

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Angus McDangle - 12 Oct 2004 17:42 GMT
Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
a Safari door?

Angus
Mr.Nice. - 12 Oct 2004 18:48 GMT
Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:22 +0100 when "Angus McDangle"
<nospam@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard producing:

>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
>a Safari door?
>
>Angus

I think the rear door is aka safari. but there are differences between
the newer (td5) rear doors and earlier defender & ninety/one ten rear
doors but I thin kthey are interchangeable. the S3 rear doors can (I
think) be fitted to a later land rover ninety/one ten/defender with
changes to the lock location.

umm, probably.

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Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Austin Shackles - 12 Oct 2004 21:45 GMT
>Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:22 +0100 when "Angus McDangle"
><nospam@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>think) be fitted to a later land rover ninety/one ten/defender with
>changes to the lock location.

I had an S3 door on the 110.  you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff around
fitting the third one to the S3 door.

You do also have to change the lock, although the only mod I recall it
needing is to make a hole in the door skin to line up with the lock barrel.

If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
Larry - 12 Oct 2004 22:06 GMT
The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender drivers
door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the sybaritic luxury
of a wind down window.

I know series three side doors went through a number of changes including
anti burst locks, which are a lot better than the originals, and these are
easy to retro fit.

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Series 3 rust and holes

>
> I had an S3 door on the 110.  you only get 2 hinges, unless you faff around
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
> wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
Dave White - 13 Oct 2004 01:37 GMT
> The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender
> drivers door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the
> sybaritic luxury of a wind down window.

You can fit Defender doors to a series. The easiest type to fit are the
early Defender doors with wind up windows and clinch hanldes as you can
use Series 3 door locks with them. Having said that the Defender
latching mechanism is better than the Series 3 mechanism so it's worth
fitting the Defender style striker anyway.

cheers

Dave W.
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JD - 13 Oct 2004 04:00 GMT
>> The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender
>> drivers door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Dave W.
> http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/

There are two types of S3 locks - the old "bolt" type and the newer
anti-burst ones. In my view the latter are preferable, although horribly
expensive, and I also think they are better than the early wind up window
90/110 locks, which are also very expensive.
The later 90/110 doors will fit the S3, and are better engineered than the
early ones - but be warned, they are a lot thicker, and you lose elbow
room. There is a reason the later 90/110 have a smaller steering wheel and
have the outboard seats offset further in.
JD
Mr.Nice. - 13 Oct 2004 09:18 GMT
Twas Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:00:35 +1000 when JD <jjd@SPAMLESS.com.au> put
finger to keyboard producing:

>>> The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender
>>> drivers door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>have the outboard seats offset further in.
>JD

my previous 110 (also 1984) had winding windows and lift-up handles, I
don't recall the thickness of the door being a problem re elbow room,
but my elbow was usually out of the window anyway.

Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Austin Shackles - 13 Oct 2004 07:26 GMT
>The question that intrigues me, is whether you could fit a defender drivers
>door to a series 3, as one of these days I might fancy the sybaritic luxury
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>anti burst locks, which are a lot better than the originals, and these are
>easy to retro fit.

the 3 doors, roughly, are a) like the S3, b) lift-up handles but wind-down
windows and c) pushbutton handles

b) would suit a S3 best as the handles are the same, but connected to
anti-burst locks.  fitted to 90/110 from about 1985 to 1986, or thereabouts.
I imagine the door profile and hinges are the same, if not, a quick go with
a tape measure would answer that.

besides, the pushbutton handles offer no notable advantages over the lift-up
ones, except perhaps marginally better security.  and if it rains and then
freezes, the buggers freeze up.
Larry - 14 Oct 2004 18:38 GMT
Took a closer look at a defender today and though to myself, no that
external handle looks as naff as any other kind that Land Rover ever fitted,
though I would still like the luxury of a window that rolls all the way
down. Do they by the way, or do they stop half way not really improving on
the situation with the slide windows ?

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> the 3 doors, roughly, are a) like the S3, b) lift-up handles but wind-down
> windows and c) pushbutton handles
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> ones, except perhaps marginally better security.  and if it rains and then
> freezes, the buggers freeze up.
Austin Shackles - 14 Oct 2004 21:01 GMT
>Took a closer look at a defender today and though to myself, no that
>external handle looks as naff as any other kind that Land Rover ever fitted,
>though I would still like the luxury of a window that rolls all the way
>down. Do they by the way, or do they stop half way not really improving on
>the situation with the slide windows ?

front ones go all the way down.  You can keep the series look and feel by
going for the lift-up handle kind :-)
Richard - 12 Oct 2004 22:21 GMT
Our Series III had three hinges, I think it was because it was a station
wagon. I think the hard tops only had two hinges?
Richard

>>Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:42:22 +0100 when "Angus McDangle"
>><nospam@ntlworld.com> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> If you want HRW or rear wiper etc you have to transfer the glass or the
> wiper motor - the latter requires more hole-making but isn't hard to do.
Larry - 12 Oct 2004 22:36 GMT
That would not be a standard fitting though, probably an extra one added to
stop the door sagging as they do.

Mine is a station wagon with only two. (so far)

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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

> Our Series III had three hinges, I think it was because it was a station
> wagon. I think the hard tops only had two hinges?
> Richard
Mr.Nice. - 13 Oct 2004 09:16 GMT
Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:36:48 +0100 when "Larry"
<NDA@larry-arnold.com> put finger to keyboard producing:

>That would not be a standard fitting though, probably an extra one added to
>stop the door sagging as they do.
>
>Mine is a station wagon with only two. (so far)

with early defenders anyway you have the third hinge when the spare
wheel carrier is citted to the rear door.

Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Larry - 14 Oct 2004 18:36 GMT
Took a look at mine today, two hinges ??? no way it seems the hinge pin has
dissapeared entirely from the lower hinge, in the last month and the nut for
the pin on the top one has sheared off too.

Has someone been fiddling to get the door off the hard way, or did they just
die a natural death ?

No matter I have some new hinge pins I have been meaning to fit for  some
time sitting on my desk in front of me as I type.

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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

> Twas Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:36:48 +0100 when "Larry"
> <NDA@larry-arnold.com> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
Austin Shackles - 14 Oct 2004 21:02 GMT
>Took a look at mine today, two hinges ??? no way it seems the hinge pin has
>dissapeared entirely from the lower hinge, in the last month and the nut for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>No matter I have some new hinge pins I have been meaning to fit for  some
>time sitting on my desk in front of me as I type.

and new bronze olives as well?
Larry - 14 Oct 2004 21:58 GMT
Yep the whole kit and caboodle. was going to fit them on the fine and sunny
day that I bought them then the weather turned nasty and I left them.

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Larry
Series 3 rust and holes

> and new bronze olives as well?
Richard - 12 Oct 2004 22:22 GMT
A rear wiper?

> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
> and
> a Safari door?
>
> Angus
Lee_D - 19 Oct 2004 20:37 GMT
>> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>> and
>> a Safari door?
>>
>> Angus

I thought the term Safari door was to distingiuish what is just a door from
the top and bottom tailgates option. But we all know what thought did....

Lee D
Austin Shackles - 19 Oct 2004 21:01 GMT
>>> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>>> and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I thought the term Safari door was to distingiuish what is just a door from
>the top and bottom tailgates option. But we all know what thought did....

mebbe the safari one has more trim.

actually, I thought that "safari" was stuff like the double roof.
Mr.Nice. - 20 Oct 2004 11:18 GMT
Twas Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:01:45 +0100 when Austin Shackles
<austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> put finger to keyboard producing:

>>>> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110,
>>>> and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>actually, I thought that "safari" was stuff like the double roof.

The double skin roof is, I am very sure, known as a safari roof.
The differences in trim on the rear door are things like county trim
surely?

Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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AN6530 - 13 Oct 2004 11:28 GMT
>Subject: 90 Safari rear door
>From: "Angus McDangle" nospam@ntlworld.com
>Date: 12/10/2004 17:42 GMT

>Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
>a Safari door?

I think safari doors are painted in a black and white zebra fashion and stop
the likes of Virginia Mackenna (sp?) from falling out the back of the Land
Rover ;-)

Steve. Suffolk.
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Richard Brookman - 13 Oct 2004 18:03 GMT
So AN6530 was, like

> I think safari doors are painted in a black and white zebra fashion
> and stop the likes of Virginia Mackenna (sp?) from falling out the
> back of the Land Rover ;-)

If I remember Virginia Mackenna from her Born Free days, I would go to some
lengths to stop her falling out of the rear door.

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beamendsltd - 14 Oct 2004 10:41 GMT
> Hi, what is the difference between a regular rear door for a LR 90/110, and
> a Safari door?
>
> Angus

Provision for the internal "grab handle" thingie.

Richard
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