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Austin Shackles - 15 Oct 2004 11:32 GMT
OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
towing vehicle.

do they also say that I mustn't also display any other number?

I have a trailer which may be pulled by one of 2 vehicles, I could put both
numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
also display another one.
Henry! - 15 Oct 2004 11:50 GMT
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
> towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
> also display another one.

The rule is the same here in France.
But I never saw any trailer with two plates ??
If the 2 plates are registered at the same adress, maybe it's possible ??
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fanie - 15 Oct 2004 12:05 GMT
What happens if you want to hire a trailer for a day? This ruling sounds
completely daft!

I have seen a slightly different situation here, where one of the local dive
operators, uses small box trailers to shove all the dive kit in when going
from his dive shop - in town - to the beach - about 2km away. When all his
trailers are in one place you will notice that they all have exactly the
same reg no.

Regards
Stephen
Huw - 15 Oct 2004 12:04 GMT
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number
> of the towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> put both numbers on it... then it will automatically display the
> right one, but it'll also display another one.

I run a trailer with one number which is towed by four vehicles at
times, though not usually simultaneously ;-)
Never had any problem or stops because of it.
AFAIK as long as they are registered to the same owner there should be
no problem. OTOH this may be an industry specific dispensation similar
to tachograph dispensation.

Huw
Austin Shackles - 15 Oct 2004 13:05 GMT
>> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number
>> of the towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>no problem. OTOH this may be an industry specific dispensation similar
>to tachograph dispensation.

AIUI it used to be the case that provided you displayed a number registered
to you, then this was OK.  However, ISTR reading that the rules had changed
and that you now have to display a number that matches the front end.

here:

(1) This regulation applies to vehicles, other than works trucks, road
rollers and agricultural machines, first registered on or after the relevant
date.

(2) A registration plate must be fixed on the rear of :-

     (a) the vehicle, or

     (b) where the vehicle is towing a trailer, the trailer, or

     (c) where the vehicle is towing more than one trailer, the rearmost
trailer.

however, I can't see anything that says you can't also display another plate
as well.  They're even both illuminated :-)
Paul - xxx - 15 Oct 2004 13:41 GMT
Austin Shackles vaguely muttered something like ...
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of
> the towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> both numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one,
> but it'll also display another one.

I think so.  When we looked it up, and I can't remember the link (done a
format since), we thought the wording was ambiguous enough to make us buy a
number plate for both cars, for all the trailers [1] we have.  It also stops
plod from doing a double-take and pulling you anyway.

We use sticky back velcro on those that we swap amd haven't lost one yet.

[1] camping, motocycle, box, horse and caravan ... jeez I didn't realise we
had five trailers, and not one large enough for a trialler Landrover ...
though the caravan chassis might make a semi-decent braked trailer in a year
or two .. ;);)

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Mr.Nice. - 15 Oct 2004 15:25 GMT
Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
<austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> put finger to keyboard producing:

>OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
>towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
>also display another one.

would I be right in thinking that you could put a numberplate on, say,
the back of your roof rack and as long at your trailer isn't tall
enough to obscure it then you don't need a plate on the trailer?

Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Austin Shackles - 16 Oct 2004 15:42 GMT
>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
><austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>the back of your roof rack and as long at your trailer isn't tall
>enough to obscure it then you don't need a plate on the trailer?

nope.  see my reply elsewhere in this thread, which quotes the relevant bit
of the legislation.

I've not seen anything that precludes fitting another plate as well, though.
Graeme Willox - 16 Oct 2004 15:58 GMT
>>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
>><austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> I've not seen anything that precludes fitting another plate as well, though.

I've been following this thread since it started, but I'm puzzled by
some things which have been said.

Do you have to supply your own number plates?  Here in Australia, the
relevant state Transport Department provide the number plates.  Trailers
have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
towing them.
Austin Shackles - 16 Oct 2004 18:19 GMT
>>>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
>>><austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
>towing them.

different here.  Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in the
USofA?

here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number allocated.
trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.

JD - 16 Oct 2004 22:05 GMT
(snip)

>>I've been following this thread since it started, but I'm puzzled by
>>some things which have been said.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> different here.  Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in the
> USofA?

They are called number plates - the term "licence plates"  is an unwanted
Americanism that has only appeared in the last twenty years. The plates are
issued by the relevant State authority (except WA used to be the local
government, may still be) when the vehicle is registered for use on the
road, and must be returned to them when the registration is allowed to
lapse, which may be when it is scrapped, moved interstate, or taken off the
road for any reason. Numbers may be reissued to another vehicle at the
authority's discretion, or the registration may be transferred to your new
car.
About fifty years ago the states came to an agreement where the then
existing systems of numbers (which varied, but typically were either a
simple number, up to six digits, or two letters followed by three numbers)
was replaced by three letters followed by three numbers, with the alphabet
of the first letter allocated to the states in proportion to the state
population, and additionally plates from adjoining  states different
colours. For example, NSW had A-F, black on yellow, Victoria G-M, white on
black, Qld N-Q, white on black.  Z followed by a four digit number was
allocated to Federal government cars. (Most states have a separate system
for trailers and motorbikes)
This system ran out of numbers, even reusing cancelled numbers, quite a few
years ago, and most states simply continued with the same system, but using
letters which were originally allocated to other states (The number plates
have always been marked with the state name or abbreviation). Victoria
changed the colour to green on white and restarted from A, Qld changed to
putting the numbers first and started from A.
Just last month, NSW, where I live, ran out of numbers at ZZZ-999 and
restarted a new system with two letters, two numbers, two letters.
In addition, over the last twenty years all states have started selling
premium plates, where for an additional fee you can have a number plate not
in the regular sequence - and the variety of these seems to be limited only
by your imagination! (plus what others already have)

The number plates are a standard size (usually motorbike and sometimes
trailer plates are smaller), and this standard causes problems with many
imported cars. For example, they are about half an inch too wide to fit
next to the back door or tailgate  on a S2/3/90/110 and too high to fit in
spaces designed for the English height numbers. (I think the digits are the
same size, but there is an allowance for the state name at the top plus a
border.)

> here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number allocated.
> trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.

See my earlier post about trailers. As you can see from the above, the
registration number may or may not convey anything about its age, and may
change during its life. For example, my 110 has had three numbers in its
life. It was first registered in the Northern Territory, then sold to
Victoria, where it acquired a new number, which it retained when I bought
it, but then changed again when I moved to NSW.
Hope this clarifies matters.
JD
Graeme Willox - 17 Oct 2004 15:56 GMT
> different here.  Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in the
> USofA?
>
> here, the vehicle gets registered when built and has a number allocated.
> trailers towed by the vehicle carry the vehicle's number.
>  

I'm not sure how it works in the USA, so I can't really compare.  We
call them either vehicle registration plates or number plates and
they're attached to the vehicle when it's registered for use on public
roads.

Here, a licence is a permit, issued for up to 5 years, which authorises
  a person to drive a registered vehicle on the road.  Our license has
no relationship at all to the number plate.
Peter Taylor - 20 Oct 2004 12:51 GMT
Is that not issued until the ripe old age of 70?

>>   different here.  Your plates are license plates, aren't they, like in  
>> the
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>    a person to drive a registered vehicle on the road.  Our license has  
> no relationship at all to the number plate.

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JD - 16 Oct 2004 21:36 GMT
>>>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
>>><austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
> towing them.
Not in all states. In Victoria at least, small trailers do not have to be
registered and they do have to display the number of the towing vehicle -
and you supply your own number plate - usually freehand with a two inch
brush.
Mr.Nice. - 16 Oct 2004 22:52 GMT
Twas Sun, 17 Oct 2004 00:58:05 +1000 when Graeme Willox
<graemewillox@tpg.com.au> put finger to keyboard producing:

>>>Twas Fri, 15 Oct 2004 11:32:59 +0100 when Austin Shackles
>>><austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>have their own number plate, and it doesn't matter what vehicle is
>towing them.

Here the government issue a number (letters and numbers) for each
motor vehicle, you then have to have a pair of number plates made with
that number on, though when you buy a new car the dealer usually fits
number plates.
As a trailer is not a motor vehicle it isn't issued with it's own
number and you have to display on it the number of the vehicle that's
currently towing it.
(The exception for this is military vehicles that have seperate plates
for trailers and the vehicles log lists which trailer was attached and
when).

Regards.
Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
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Adrian Simpson - 15 Oct 2004 20:11 GMT
>OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
>towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
>also display another one.

Coming along the A5 through N Wales last year we got pulled over by the
local constable.  The number on the trailer didn't match the towing
vehicle. In this case the plate had been supplied by the dealer when the
vehicle was new, but they had made a mistake, and put different plates
on the front and back, and the "extra" plate was the wrong one.  The
owner has since corrected this.

Adrian
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Larry - 15 Oct 2004 21:26 GMT
I am sure the law if it exists cannot be universal as in a recovery or a
delivery situation numbers on trailers would be routinely different from the
towing vehicle.

The best solution might just be to have a number of plates hashed up that
can be quickly fixed in position.

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> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
> towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
> also display another one.
Austin Shackles - 15 Oct 2004 22:26 GMT
>I am sure the law if it exists cannot be universal as in a recovery or a
>delivery situation numbers on trailers would be routinely different from the
>towing vehicle.

recovery and delivery types have various kinds of dispensation and/or trade
plates, though.

>The best solution might just be to have a number of plates hashed up that
>can be quickly fixed in position.

I've stuck both of 'em on.  If anyone complains, I'll furnish a way of
covering up the one that ain't applicable.
Larry - 15 Oct 2004 22:46 GMT
Actually having two plates and a cover for the one that does not apply seems
a very practical solution.

As for me I wonder if I am technically breaking the law by having an askew
number plate on the front held on the radiator grill by copper wire. (it was
good enough for the MOT)

I could easily mount it otherwise, but the eccentricity of it is growing on
me :)

I just wish I qualified for the black and silver ones.

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Larry
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> recovery and delivery types have various kinds of dispensation and/or trade
> plates, though.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> I've stuck both of 'em on.  If anyone complains, I'll furnish a way of
> covering up the one that ain't applicable.
Ivor Clegg - 16 Oct 2004 11:08 GMT
> OK, the rules (now) say that I must display on my trailer the number of the
> towing vehicle.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> numbers on it... then it will automatically display the right one, but it'll
> also display another one.

Over here in Ireland, you're only supposed to have 1 number on display,
and it must match the towing vehicle.

Or so the (very!) nice female Garda (Irish police officer) informed me a
couple of years ago :-)
I had 3 numbers on the back- my mate's truck number on the borrowed
trailer, the number of the dead 90 on the trailer, and my own number on
the tail-light board tied to the trailer.

A few strips of insulating tape over the incorrect numbers fixed it all
up, and everyone continued about their business.

I don't know what the exact situation is in the U.K., but whenever I'm
towing anything over there, I ensure that I'm only displaying 1
(correct) number.
Perhaps it doesn't matter, but I'd rather keep interactions with the
constabulary to a minimum :-)

Ivor.
 
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