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Mr.Nice. - 16 Oct 2004 09:40 GMT
quick question,
1984 diesel 110
do I have an electric fuel pump in or on or near my fuel tank or is
all the fuel sucked from the tank by the lucas cav injector pump?
this is mainly concerning the biodiesel stuff I'm looking in to.

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Mr.Nice. - 16 Oct 2004 11:47 GMT
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>quick question,
>1984 diesel 110
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>Regards.
>Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)

and while I'm about it, how hard is it to pull off my lucas cav pump
and fit something like a bosch (I think) in place of it?

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M0bcg - 16 Oct 2004 14:04 GMT
there is a mechanical lift pump mounted on side of engine block .

i wouldnt attempt to fit any other injector pump that was fitted as standard ,
there is nothing wrong with the lucas unit , last for years .
Mr.Nice. - 16 Oct 2004 14:53 GMT
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>there is a mechanical lift pump mounted on side of engine block .
>
>i wouldnt attempt to fit any other injector pump that was fitted as standard ,
>there is nothing wrong with the lucas unit , last for years .

I have been doing much research into the commercial vegetable based
oils as fuel and I keep finding repeorts of problems with the Lucas
injector pump.

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beamendsltd - 18 Oct 2004 08:30 GMT
> Twas 16 Oct 2004 13:04:28 GMT when m0bcg@aol.com (M0bcg) put finger to
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> oils as fuel and I keep finding repeorts of problems with the Lucas
> injector pump.

The Lucas (nee CAV) pumps are generally very reliable long
lasting units, fitted to a whole range of commerial vehicles,
agricultural vehicles, marine engines and industrial plant.
However, as with any injector pump, messing about with them
done by people who don't fully know what they are doing, and
without the proper calibration equipment will inevitably
lead to disaster. Bosch units are essentially the same things,
there being a technology "share", or agreement or whatever it
should be called, for many years.

Having worked at Lucas Diesels, now part of Delphi Diesel Systems,
I can report that some testing was done on various "biodiesel"
fuels and engines. The results were not made public for commercial
reasons, but some anecdotal evidence is that:

"Proper" biodiesel is fine, but there seems to be a loss of
power (that may be acceptable to some users, e.g. buses),
and more importantly there are lubrication problems in injector
pumps, which again may be acceptable where fuel costs are
significantly lower to justify higher maintainance costs.

"Chip Shop" diesel suffers similar problems, but far more
importantly, it leaves a "varnish" (not unlike shellac),
which destroys the injector spray pattern quite quickly
leading to engine damage (holed pistons being the favourite).

The tests were carried out over thousands of hours on testbeds,
not just "doing a few thousand miles" with an optomistic outlook.

Richard

> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)

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Mr.Nice. - 18 Oct 2004 11:35 GMT
Twas Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:30:02 +0000 (UTC) when beamendsltd
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>> Twas 16 Oct 2004 13:04:28 GMT when m0bcg@aol.com (M0bcg) put finger to
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>Richard

Thanks for that Richard,
My current plan is to run on 50% DERV and 50% bio-diesel (V100 is 100%
cleaned-up cooking oil). without any modifications to the engine or
fuel system other than an inline pre-filter in the fuel line.

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