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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / October 2004Oh yessss!!! This could be good!! radio debate about 4x4's!
Well, I live in west Yorkshire & the local BBC radio station is radio Leeds, there is a presenter called Daragh Corkerhan (sp?) & he constantly bangs on about the menace of 4x4's etc etc. Well I got a bit cheesed off with his constant harping on so I sent him this:- -- Daragh, I notice you seem to have a problem with 4x4's. Do you realise that my Range Rover classic takes up less room than a 7 series BMW, uses less fuel, can get me anywhere at anytime. You really should get your facts right before blasting people that really need a 4x4. In winter it keeps my business running, it also gets me & my family anywhere in total comfort. You seem to be mistaking that as they are taller than a normal car, they are taking up more room. They do not & whilst I agree about the school run, at least my daughter wont miss any school if the weather gets bad. I thought the BBC had impartial broadcasters? I'll gladly speak on-air to have a balanced argument. Cheers Nige (Bradford) --- Not exactly comprehensive in my defence of the LR realm, but my point would be more relevant if you understood the point this bloke puts across. My main objection to his harping is the fact that a 4x4 is a very versatile vehicle. One moment a 7 seater, next carrying as much as a transit van (therefore, needing only one vehicle on the road as opposed to two) anyway, I got a reply:- -- Hi Nigel, Thanks very much for your response Nigel. We'd like to perhaps send someone to have a drive around with you in the 4x4...and then play it on Daragh's show. Please could you email me back with a phone number, and we'll try to work out a suitable time. Shourjo - (I produce Daragh's programme) Shourjo Sarkar BBC Radio Leeds - news -- I'll gladly go on air, could be a good forum really. I suggested a pro & con type discussion. Not much point in me Vs. Daragh as it wont come across in any positive format. Any help would be greatly appreciated, but *my* main point is the fact he bangs the drums about the size of 4x4's & the way they pollute (course transit vans don't, do they) It's not really an 'off roading' type discussion, more a road-going kind of thing. Wish me luck! I'll let you all know when it's on, as you can listen/laugh online! Cheers Nige Best of luck. Be warned if they record the programme then they will edit to suit themselves (this can twist and backfire on you), if it's live then there should be a few seconds safety delay but most of what you say will be broadcast. Remember they have no scruples just an audience to please and sell advert time so anything goes with them. > Well, I live in west Yorkshire & the local BBC radio station is radio Leeds, > there is a presenter called Daragh Corkerhan (sp?) & he constantly bangs on [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > > Nige > Best of luck. Be warned if they record the programme then they will edit > to suit themselves (this can twist and backfire on you), if it's live then > there should be a few seconds safety delay but most of what you say will > be broadcast. Remember they have no scruples just an audience to please > and sell advert time so anything goes with them. Fortunately selling advert time is one thing they don't have to do - I don't know if you noticed, but he said it's a BBC local station - no advertising. Good luck mate anyway. P.  SignatureIf Mind over Matter is a Matter of Course Does it Matter if Nobody Minds? > Best of luck. Be warned if they record the programme then they will edit > to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > broadcast. Remember they have no scruples just an audience to please and > sell advert time so anything goes with them. They have NOT met me yet then matey. I'll not take part in any kind of one sided 'boy whipping' as I'm no boy! They are the BBC BTW, they don't have to sell adverts! My main point in my mail was the totally biased viewpoint about something he knows f.ck all about (not that I know much, but I'll have a go for the cause) I would love a chance of giving someone who likes to put things down he knows f.ck all about a right good debate. I once had a go on TV demonstrating the new machines the Leicestershire constabulary where using to help drivers stop skidding (yeah, I know) they stopped me at Leicester forest services at 10am. No-one about apart from me, the TV crew & the radio etc. The Policeman asked me to have a go on this anti-skid machine. Oh-dear, it was terrible, like a bad computer game setup for front wheel drive cars on a wet road. I drove a rear wheel drive car, so as you know they don't really handle the same in any conditions & told them live on air it wasn't setup for the kind of car I drove. they got a bit pissy about it & I asked if they wanted to save lives, they shouldn't force someone to have a go on a machine without setting it up to the kind of car the drive! The point of the machine was to save lives in a skid! (only a powered skid, not a real skid as we know it) I was almost famous for it! Ta Nige BEWARE - Scum sucking parasites can twist things, please allow me to translate: --- >Hi Nigel, Oh feck, s'pose I'd better responde... >Thanks very much for your response Nigel. You think it's l33t wasting my fecking time do you, well... >We'd like to perhaps send someone to have a drive around with you in the >4x4...and then play it on Daragh's show. We'd be happy to ridicule you on air for having the cheek to question our godliness. >Please could you email me back with a phone number, and we'll try to >work out a suitable time. We'll tell you when we want to do it, you'd better be there or we'll say you chickened out. >Shourjo - (I produce Daragh's programme) I don't give a flying feck about you or your Jeep, I have a show to produce and my man cannot be wrong. >Shourjo Sarkar >BBC Radio Leeds - news Oh, and feck you. --- Q: What's the difference between God and a jounalist? A: God knows he's not a jounalist. > BEWARE - Scum sucking parasites can twist things, please allow me to > translate: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > A: God knows he's not a jounalist. Martyn, I know, but I'm prepared & if I feel they try to take the piss I'll do a 'Fathers For Justice' type stunt. You know the funniest thing we could is to use some kind of code in the broadcast. If I use the word 'Fairey' it could mean I think the blokes a total f.cking pansy, even better, we could use something like a blatant name call like Mike Hunt etc! It could be a good point of view though on the other hand? I'm the most cynical twat alive, but I fancy spending a bit of my licence fee on something I'm growing to enjoy a lot! We could field a ringer, now that would be well funny! Ta Nige No GBH now ! :-)) > > BEWARE - Scum sucking parasites can twist things, please allow me to > > translate: [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Nige > No GBH now ! :-)) > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] >> >> Nige What pray is wrong with me???? SignatureUR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP If at first you don't succeed, maybe skydiving's not for you! >What pray is wrong with me???? Apart from requoting 80 odd irrelevant lines for a 1 line reply that would have been vaguely funny if you hadn't requoted 80 odd irrelevant lines, you mean? >> What pray is wrong with me???? > > Apart from requoting 80 odd irrelevant lines for a 1 line reply that > would have been vaguely funny if you hadn't requoted 80 odd irrelevant > lines, you mean? Oh that? SignatureUR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP If at first you don't succeed, maybe skydiving's not for you! Oops ! sorry forgot. No offence intended; ah !! I have just noticed I put a big B in; I see you're a little b :-))) John H > > No GBH now ! :-)) > > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > If at first you don't succeed, > maybe skydiving's not for you! > Oops ! sorry forgot. No offence intended; ah !! I have just noticed I > put a big B in; I see you're a little b > :-))) > > John H Not sure most people look upon me as a little b! >>> No GBH now ! :-)) >>> [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] >> If at first you don't succeed, >> maybe skydiving's not for you! SignatureUR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP If at first you don't succeed, maybe skydiving's not for you! Oops !! No offence intended (getting to be a habit this ) > > Oops ! sorry forgot. No offence intended; ah !! I have just noticed I > > put a big B in; I see you're a little b [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > If at first you don't succeed, > maybe skydiving's not for you! >Oops !! No offence intended >(getting to be a habit this ) I'm trying to be tolerant, and understanding, and a reinvented type of bloke... ... but WHY DO YOU HAVE TO QUOTE 108 SODDING LINES WITH A 2 LINE TOP POSTED RESPONSE??? I believe, being a tolerant, and understanding, and a reinvented type of bloke, that gentle hints are better than my old, previously documented, somewhat direct way of dealing with such minor issues. > I believe, being a tolerant, and understanding, and a reinvented type > of bloke, that gentle hints are better than my old, previously > documented, somewhat direct way of dealing with such minor issues. ? SignatureUR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP If at first you don't succeed, maybe skydiving's not for you! slip of the finger pops ! heh Twas Fri, 22 Oct 2004 20:14:06 +0100 when Mother <"@ {m} @"@101fc.net> put finger to keyboard producing: >>Oops !! No offence intended >>(getting to be a habit this ) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >of bloke, that gentle hints are better than my old, previously >documented, somewhat direct way of dealing with such minor issues. Regards. Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.) Signature_________________________________________ www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D (3,000 rivets flying in close formation) _________________________________________ >heh > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >Regards. >Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.) Oi! Now you're doing it. In this group we prefer bottom posting, so please do as the romans do, there's good chaps. I don't want to KF you... "Austin Shackles" <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > Oi! Now you're doing it. In this group we prefer bottom posting, so please > do as the romans do, there's good chaps. I don't want to KF you... I must admit, top posting is very annoying, you can waste ages trying to decipher what the hell is going on! Nige Twas Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:51:44 +0100 when "Nige" <nigel.inceNOFUCKINGSPAM@btinternet.com> put finger to keyboard producing: >"Austin Shackles" <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Nige I only did it to wind him up... just that once. Regards. Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.) Signature_________________________________________ www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D (3,000 rivets flying in close formation) _________________________________________ > Twas Sat, 23 Oct 2004 09:51:44 +0100 when "Nige" > <nigel.inceNOFUCKINGSPAM@btinternet.com> put finger to keyboard [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Regards. > Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.) It seemed to work! >> I only did it to wind him up... just that once. > >It seemed to work! Depends which 'he' I guess. Given I didn't (until now) follow the thread, I'd doubt I could be seen as rising to the bait. It takes a little more bait than that to wind me up, and it helps if it's delivered by someone who has mastered the art. Alex, as an example, is a master baiter. So Nige was, like > "Austin Shackles" <austin@ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nige Personally, I have no preference. Top posting is fine, as long as everybody does it. Bottom posting is fine, as long as everybody does it. It's only where they get mixed up that the trouble starts [1]. I always bottom post to this NG as a courtesy to the group. What does annoy me is where people can't be bothered to snip the irrelevant bits of a discussion, and we all end up with 10Kb posts with one (usually not very funny) line attached at the bottom. But we've all done it, by accident or from ignorance, so there's no need for a flame war - a polite reminder (thank you Austin) is enough. [1] FWIW, and IMHE and all that, bottom posting is best when there is a logical argument to follow in the thread. For a group with a lot of traffic, and where you read the group regularly (ie you don't need to be reminded what posts are about), I actually prefer top posting, as it's quicker to read. JM2cW. SignatureRich Series 2a RR 4.6 V8 trialler dog, wife, kids, whatever >What does annoy me is where people can't be bothered to sni Totally agr >>What does annoy me is where people can't be bothered to sni > >Totally agr mind, the people who never finish what they're typing are pret >>>What does annoy me is where people can't be bothered to sni >> >>Totally agr > > mind, the people who never finish what they're typing are pret LOL! >Martyn, I know, but I'm prepared & if I feel they try to take the piss I'll >do a 'Fathers For Justice' type stunt. You know the funniest thing we could [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >alive, but I fancy spending a bit of my licence fee on something I'm growing >to enjoy a lot! Alright, "A Friend" of mine, erm, does work for the BBC. I'm more than sure he'd say that they know all the tricks in the book and Mr Hunt, being a regular caller to EVERY phone-in is, well known. Best thing I can advise it to play it totally straight. Don't 'try' anything as believe me, they'll know and will use it - against you. Always pause and imagine of a couple of apples falling from a tree before answering anything you cannot confidently immediately answer (the apples thing is an NLP technique, gives you time to clarify your thoughts). NEVER EVER say "but". A sound editor will know that the bit before or after a "but" is priceless - when edited (think about how you usually use it...) HTH :-) > Always pause and imagine of a couple of apples falling from a tree > before answering anything you cannot confidently immediately answer > (the apples thing is an NLP technique, gives you time to clarify your > thoughts). No large Pears? " I'n not sure about over use of byways, but would you like an apple? I have two." :-) Lee D Signaturewww.lrproject.com Workshop photos from Landrover repairs & other such tinkerings. Home of Percy the Jag powered Landrover >> BEWARE - Scum sucking parasites can twist things, please allow me to >> translate: [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Nige Take the b'stard around a comp safari, he'll likely need several changes of underwear! I rather think Austin Sh has the best argument against these know nothing chancers. SignatureUR SHGb02+14 &ICMFP If at first you don't succeed, maybe skydiving's not for you! Twas Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:47:07 +0100 when "Nige" <nigel.inceFUCKOFF@btinternet.com> put finger to keyboard producing: >Well, I live in west Yorkshire & the local BBC radio station is radio Leeds, >there is a presenter called Daragh Corkerhan (sp?) & he constantly bangs on >about the menace of 4x4's etc etc. Well I got a bit cheesed off with his >constant harping on so I sent him this:- <snipped> As for the pollution argument, I've not checked it out but I believe the biofuel my 110 now runs on has far lower polutants (is that a word?) than diesel and I was told that the amount of carbon (or something) that the plant absorbs from the air is 10 times the amount that the same number of plants worth of recycled oil burned in my engine produces, which is nice. And my work takes me up and down rough tracks on bodmin moor and dartmoor so he can bugger off if he thinks I'm going to do that in a smart car or a bloody push-bike. Regards. Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.) Signature_________________________________________ www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D (3,000 rivets flying in close formation) _________________________________________ >Twas Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:47:07 +0100 when "Nige" ><nigel.inceFUCKOFF@btinternet.com> put finger to keyboard producing: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Regards. >Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.) And presumably this tosser, if he got into difficulties either out walking or in inclement weather would decline the assistance of any rescue service which turned up in a 4x4 to help him. We've been through the arguments many times b4. footprint - smaller than your average salon height - no greater than an MPV - they're classed as Vans on M6 Toll Road. volume - less than a Volvo estate. pollution - same or smaller engines than in many cars. (Don't forget the smaller 4x4s Suzuki for example. Don't they start at 1.4 lt Mpg - ditto (also many large petrol engined 4x4s now converted to LPG) risk to pedestrians - greater reduction in injuries if standard bumper height on cars was raised, but the motor industry won't do that. Signaturehugh Reply to address is valid at the time of posting |
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