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Nikki Cluley - 28 Oct 2004 23:23 GMT
Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
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Aled - 29 Oct 2004 07:09 GMT
> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

What are you looking for? Point-and-click-I-don't-konw-anythign-about-
cameras, or a proper SLR? You'll get an SLR lookalike for that price.

Compatibility with a Mac shouldn't be a problem, though what version of
MacOS are you running?

Ta,
Aled.
Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:20 GMT
>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
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> Ta,
> Aled.

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fanie - 29 Oct 2004 07:14 GMT
Get a Sony.
Regards
Stephen
mark hh - 29 Oct 2004 07:47 GMT
Hi Nikki,

It's the lens not the camera - rubbish in , rubbish out!

I swear by Nikon - go for the best you can afford.

Cheers

Mark HH

> Any recomendations?  ?250-?300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
Richard Brookman - 29 Oct 2004 08:57 GMT
> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

I think Nikon do a fully waterproof camera.

Rich
Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:21 GMT
>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
> I think Nikon do a fully waterproof camera.
>
> Rich

Ha Ha
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Austin Shackles - 29 Oct 2004 08:59 GMT
>Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

well, I've been quite satisfied with my new (secondhand) toy, which is an
Olympus C700UZ.  it's a few models behind the leading edge... the same
series has 720, 730, 740 and maybe more now.  ah yes, 750, 756, 770.

the UZ is for ultrazoom, they have 10x zoom.  bit flighty to hold still on
maximum zoom, though.  The later ones have more pixels (mine's a "mere" 2.1
Mpix, but that makes for 1600x1200 pictures) and use XD cards rather then
smnartmedia which mine does.

others have had good results from fuji cameras, and in fact we also have a
fuji finepix 1400 here which is a nice little point-and-shoot style with a
3x zoom.

may I recommend

http://www.dpreview.com/

especially the "cameras" link on the bar on the left - very good for
comparing specs.

actually, the one I really fancied was the Oly 2100UZ, which also has image
stabilisation, but they tend to be a bit more pricey.
Mother - 29 Oct 2004 15:32 GMT
>others have had good results from fuji cameras, and in fact we also have a
>fuji finepix 1400 here which is a nice little point-and-shoot style

All of my pics (4gig or so) on www.101fc.net were taken with Fuji
Finepix [whatever I had at the time] cameras.  I'm currently trying to
break a Finepic F402
Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:23 GMT
>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
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> actually, the one I really fancied was the Oly 2100UZ, which also has image
> stabilisation, but they tend to be a bit more pricey.

Will have a look at link in a bit. Thanks

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Simon Barr - 29 Oct 2004 09:17 GMT
> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

I've got a Fuji S602zoom and I think it's fantastic, does everything I want.
It uses a 340MB IBM microdrive for storage and as long as you can use USB or
have a card reader on the Mac it'll probably work.

It's been superseded now but I should think that current Fuji models are
similar.  You can do point and click or have everything on manual if you
like.  6x optical zoom as well.

For lots of choice take a look at

www.digitaldepot.co.uk

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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:25 GMT
>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
> I've got a Fuji S602zoom and I think it's fantastic, does everything I want.
> It uses a 340MB IBM microdrive for storage and as long as you can use USB or
> have a card reader on the Mac it'll probably work.

Only got USB on the mac and have an inbuilt card reader on the printer.

> It's been superseded now but I should think that current Fuji models are
> similar.  You can do point and click or have everything on manual if you
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>
> www.digitaldepot.co.uk

Will also have a look at this link.
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Richard Brookman - 30 Oct 2004 12:10 GMT
So Nikki Cluley was, like

> Only got USB on the mac and have an inbuilt card reader on the
> printer.

The card reader on our printer (HP Photosmart 1000) only accepts certain
cards, and not the Compact Flash the Nikon uses, and it's also fantastically
slow.  We got a universal card reader (this one made by Lexar, but there are
many others) for around 50GBP, which attaches via USB.  It reads every card
we have and a lot we don't and is very fast - when you're working with
images up to 6MB this makes a lot of difference.  Simple to use - once the
card is in the reader, Windoze reads it as just another disk.  Well worth
it, IMO.

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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 12:49 GMT
> So Nikki Cluley was, like
>
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> card is in the reader, Windoze reads it as just another disk.  Well worth
> it, IMO.

Ours does CF,SD/MS PRO, XD AND SM.  I've got a multicard reader
too(somewhere).  Got it free with the camcorder.
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"David G. Bell" - 30 Oct 2004 13:26 GMT
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> > So Nikki Cluley was, like
> >
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> Ours does CF,SD/MS PRO, XD AND SM.  I've got a multicard reader
> too(somewhere).  Got it free with the camcorder.

Single-format readers can be had for under a tenner, maybe under a fiver
is you don't want a USB cable (but a short one is handy).  At that
price, and the size they are, you can pack one with the camera.  Though
I am talking from te point of view of somebody who has many friends with
computers.  It's also handy for transferring files.

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George Spigot - 30 Oct 2004 18:49 GMT
Just bought an Epson R300 takes memory cards and prints from them.
Plugs directly into the camera (Cannon Ixus i nice little compact camera)
and prints pictures without a computer + works as a card reader too
Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 19:59 GMT
> Just bought an Epson R300 takes memory cards and prints from them.
> Plugs directly into the camera (Cannon Ixus i nice little compact camera)
> and prints pictures without a computer + works as a card reader too

Same printer that I've got.
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Tim Hobbs - 29 Oct 2004 09:41 GMT
>Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

I would look at

www.dpreview.com

and then buy from www.pixmania.com

I have a fairly old Sony 'big brick' 4MP job, and it is great if a
little slow shutter wise.  Battery life is particularly good.

Mandy has a tiny Casio 2MP job, which is great as it is always in her
handbag and ready to go.

The smaller they are, the more likely they are to break IME.

I know very little about Macs, but presume you can get a media card
reader for them, in which case just about any camera will work with
it.

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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:26 GMT
>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
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>
> and then buy from www.pixmania.com

I think thats where we got the camcorder from.

> I have a fairly old Sony 'big brick' 4MP job, and it is great if a
> little slow shutter wise.  Battery life is particularly good.
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> reader for them, in which case just about any camera will work with
> it.
Got one on the Epson printer.

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Mr.Nice. - 29 Oct 2004 10:59 GMT
Twas Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:23:54 +0100 when Nikki Cluley
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>Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

For that money I'd look at a fuji, maybe S602.
I personally don't like fuji as they have problems with accurate
colour reproduction, probably not an issue for most people but
photography is what I do.
My personal reccomendation would be to get an olympus C-750 UZ second
hand, and as big a memory card as you can afford. (128 is a sensible
size to aim for).
As long as your Mac OS is a fairly recent one you'll not have any
compatability issues, macs are very common in the photography world
and camera manufacturers know this.

Regards.
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"David G. Bell" - 29 Oct 2004 11:53 GMT
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> Twas Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:23:54 +0100 when Nikki Cluley
> <nikki.cluley@ntlorld.com> put finger to keyboard producing:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> compatability issues, macs are very common in the photography world
> and camera manufacturers know this.

It's worth checking on what type of memory cards are being used in new
kit, and the current memory card prices, as some of the cheaper cameras
use rather expensive memory cards.  Mine uses Compact Flash, which goes
up to pretty huge sizes, but unless you are dealing with really high-
resolution cameras I wouldn't bother with more than 512MB.  You can do a
quick burn to CD-R without having to do any selection.

It's also worth checking what types of card those digital print booths
at Boots can take.

Memory cards, of all types, tend to be expensive on the High Street.  Go
for an Internet supplier -- I've been well-satisfied by www.7dayshop.com

If you do invest in more than one card, get a case.  I have a nice
aluminium one, about the size of a fag packet.  Many of the cards are a
bit small and easy to lose.  Small in the camera, or other gadget (check
what PDAs use too) is good.  Small in your pocket-fluff is bad.

Memory card choice is a long way from being everything, but if you at
least check what a mobile phone or other gadget might use, you've a
chance of not having to spend on multiple formats.

And having a memory card reader, rather than relying on a cable between
camera and computer, is good.  For one thing, it doesn't drain the
camera battery.  For another, it may not need any special software on
the computer.

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Mr.Nice. - 29 Oct 2004 13:59 GMT
Twas Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:53:54 +0100 (BST) when
dbell@zhochaka.demon.co.uk ("David G. Bell") put finger to keyboard
producing:

>It's worth checking on what type of memory cards are being used in new
>kit, and the current memory card prices, as some of the cheaper cameras
>use rather expensive memory cards.  Mine uses Compact Flash, which goes
>up to pretty huge sizes, but unless you are dealing with really high-
>resolution cameras I wouldn't bother with more than 512MB.  You can do a
>quick burn to CD-R without having to do any selection.

Fair point, I rarely shoot more than 1gb on a shoot.

>It's also worth checking what types of card those digital print booths
>at Boots can take.

Yuk..

>Memory cards, of all types, tend to be expensive on the High Street.  Go
>for an Internet supplier -- I've been well-satisfied by www.7dayshop.com
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>bit small and easy to lose.  Small in the camera, or other gadget (check
>what PDAs use too) is good.  Small in your pocket-fluff is bad.

I use XD cards and I use the little plastiv clip thing that takes 6
cards from 7dayshop, that in turn stays in the front pocket of my
camera-bag which is waterproof, jolly good idea it is too.

>Memory card choice is a long way from being everything, but if you at
>least check what a mobile phone or other gadget might use, you've a
>chance of not having to spend on multiple formats.

CF is probably the most common though it's old now, but the cards are
a good price.

>And having a memory card reader, rather than relying on a cable between
>camera and computer, is good.  For one thing, it doesn't drain the
>camera battery.  For another, it may not need any special software on
>the computer.

I disagree, it takes 1-2 minutes to upload a card-full of photos from
my camera to my pc via it's usb cable and no software needed, uses an
insignificant amout of battery power too, you should be using
high-capacity rechargeable batteries anyway.

Regards.
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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:30 GMT
> On Friday, in article
> <0u44o0ds6395oirbqvfsujgbf9lhb300nc@4ax.com>
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> camera battery.  For another, it may not need any special software on
> the computer.

Thanks for the advice.
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Brian Varrall - 31 Oct 2004 12:09 GMT
Knowing bugrall about cameras and photography, my two pennuth on the
question....

Just bought a Sony DSC W1 plus a 256K additional memory from
www.7dayshop.com . I'm happy to endorse recommendations for that company,
whose prices came out considerably less than any other I could find. They're
based in Guernsey so delivery took a day or two longer, but I'm thoroughly
pleased with both them and the camera. It's handy, quick and easy to use,
gives brilliant results and does everything I wanted of a digi camera.

Probably just the same as several dozen alternatives in the price-range I
s'pose :)

Brian
Nikki Cluley - 31 Oct 2004 23:25 GMT
> Knowing bugrall about cameras and photography, my two pennuth on the
> question....
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>
> Brian

I expect so.  I've still not decided either.
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Simon Barr - 29 Oct 2004 13:24 GMT
> Twas Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:23:54 +0100 when Nikki Cluley
><nikki.cluley@ntlorld.com> put finger to keyboard producing:
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> colour reproduction, probably not an issue for most people but
> photography is what I do.

Is the 602 considered a good camera then?  I know next to nothing about
photography and bought my 602 cos I liked the look and feel, also being
point and shoot as well as manual appealed to me.  I though it may make
me learn a bit about photography, and I have a bit, I sometimes use the
manual settings.

What colour problems do Fuji's have?  I've noticed reds and oranges aren't
always right, sometimes the're not bright enough, others they almost glow.

On the whole I'm very please with it though.

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Mr.Nice. - 29 Oct 2004 13:55 GMT
Twas 29 Oct 2004 12:24:50 GMT when Simon Barr <me@privacy.net> put
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>> Twas Thu, 28 Oct 2004 23:23:54 +0100 when Nikki Cluley
>><nikki.cluley@ntlorld.com> put finger to keyboard producing:
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>me learn a bit about photography, and I have a bit, I sometimes use the
>manual settings.

It's considered a good-un, though I'd not use it.

>What colour problems do Fuji's have?  I've noticed reds and oranges aren't
>always right, sometimes the're not bright enough, others they almost glow.

hit the nail on the head, it's reds and oranges that seem to fox it,
which can be a real problem when your main work is people as skintines
are not reproduced accuratly.

>On the whole I'm very please with it though.

If you are not trying to produce pro-standard images then the 602 is a
mighty-fine camera. very capable.

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scott - 29 Oct 2004 13:07 GMT
Fuji S3500

Scott
Nigel - 29 Oct 2004 13:56 GMT
> Any recomendations?  ?250-?300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

As well as what everyone else says, its worth thinking about the batteries.
Digital cameras eat batteries, get a camera that takes AA batteries, that
way if you are ever out and about and run out of power you can just replace
the batteries rather than trying to find a power outlet and the time to
recharge the cameras own batteries.
And of course get some rechargables. Make sure you read the 'mAh' of the
battery, try and get ones as high as possible, 2000mAh or somewhere around
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Mr.Nice. - 29 Oct 2004 15:29 GMT
Twas Fri, 29 Oct 2004 12:56:13 GMT when "Nigel"
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>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
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>battery, try and get ones as high as possible, 2000mAh or somewhere around
>there.

That's good advice, I carry 3 sets of 2300mAh, though I've never yet
run-down one set on a shoot.

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"David G. Bell" - 29 Oct 2004 16:45 GMT
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> That's good advice, I carry 3 sets of 2300mAh, though I've never yet
> run-down one set on a shoot.

Remember that rechargable batteries can deliver more current than an
alkaline.  Fresh alkalines are a useful emergency power source, but many
cameras will need more current than slightly discharged alkalines can
supply.

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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:32 GMT
>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
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> battery, try and get ones as high as possible, 2000mAh or somewhere around
> there.

Sounds sensible.  I had a mobile phone once that you could do the same with.
Bruce has got this charger that I bought from innovations that charges up
ordinary AA batteries.
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Austin Shackles - 30 Oct 2004 09:00 GMT
>>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Bruce has got this charger that I bought from innovations that charges up
>ordinary AA batteries.

experience with digicams is that you really do want NiMHs in 'em.  Alkalines
in the fuji were a waste of time - unless of course you have a whole lot of
other stuff which can use the part-used batteries.
Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 12:36 GMT
>>>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> in the fuji were a waste of time - unless of course you have a whole lot of
> other stuff which can use the part-used batteries.

This charger charges the part used batteries.  Also tells you what life they
have left in them.  As long as they don't go down below 1.25ish they charge
up to 1.5 pretty quick - handy for the Gameboy and some of Isaacs remote
control vehicles. Does AAA upto D size battery.
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Austin Shackles - 30 Oct 2004 13:52 GMT
>>>>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>>>>
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>up to 1.5 pretty quick - handy for the Gameboy and some of Isaacs remote
>control vehicles. Does AAA upto D size battery.

might work.  especially in the fuji 1400, I found that AA alkalines only
lasted for about 10 minutes, much less if usenig the display panel.

The Olympus seems to do better, but then again, the smallest set of
batteries are 1800mAh, the other 2 are 2000, - I see you can now get 2300s.
Naturally, as soon as I bought an inverter so that I could charge the
buggers in the vehicle, I found someone selling a 12V charger plus set of 4
batteries.  Mind, I bet the charger wasn't as fast as the Oly one, which is
very quick indeed.  gets the batteries a bit warm, mind.
Alun P - 29 Oct 2004 15:04 GMT
> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.

I bought a Fuji S500 last year and I must say i am very pleased with the
results, as simple point and click or as complex as you want it with all
sorts of controls you find on a 35mm.
128Mb memory and away i go. 20x zoom, (10x optical)

Highly recommended

AlunP
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>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>
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>
>AlunP

worth noting that optical zoom is a true zoom, digital zoom simply
crops the image to the centre thus reducing the quality.
the common rule is never to use the digital zoom, you can get the same
effect editing later.

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Alun P - 29 Oct 2004 17:20 GMT


> worth noting that optical zoom is a true zoom, digital zoom simply
> crops the image to the centre thus reducing the quality.
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> Regards.
> Mark.(AKA, Mr.Nice.)
I agree, the optical zoom is superb...... excellent lens

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> Twas Fri, 29 Oct 2004 14:04:51 GMT when "Alun P"
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> Regards.
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That's why I switched it off on the camcorder, which does take stills, which
are OK if you don't want to enlarge them or take any photos as its getting
dark.
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hugh - 29 Oct 2004 19:22 GMT
>Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
Canon - gives you the option of point and click or control the settings
yourself. Also will take additional lenses.
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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 00:39 GMT
>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
> Canon - gives you the option of point and click or control the settings
> yourself. Also will take additional lenses.

Going to have a look at websites you've all mentioned.  Thanks for all the
advice.  Will let you know what I get...once I've decided - might be next
year!
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Austin Shackles - 30 Oct 2004 09:02 GMT
>>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>> Canon - gives you the option of point and click or control the settings
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>advice.  Will let you know what I get...once I've decided - might be next
>year!

there'll be a whole crop of new cameras next yer, mind.  new minolta SLR
thing looks nice...but they reckon it's gonna sell in the US for about 1600
bucks just for the body.

FWIW, my thinking on going for an olympus was that olympus, being camera
makers of some repute, ought to know how to make a lens.

it's S/H mainly 'cos I can't afford a new one.
Richard Brookman - 30 Oct 2004 12:15 GMT
So Austin Shackles was, like

> FWIW, my thinking on going for an olympus was that olympus, being
> camera makers of some repute, ought to know how to make a lens.

My first digital camera was an Olympus.  Even though it was only 1.3
megawhatsits, it took pictures better than some cameras with twice the
resolution.  In the end I reckoned it was just that it had a a very good
lens.  Got rid of it when I went to digital SLR, but I would recommend the
make for lens quality and general usefulness.

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Si K - 30 Oct 2004 12:45 GMT
> So Austin Shackles was, like
>
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> lens.  Got rid of it when I went to digital SLR, but I would recommend the
> make for lens quality and general usefulness.

I'd have to agree that if you can going to DSLR is the best way forward.
Okay, parting with a simlar amount of bunce to buying a new exhaust system
with Cats for the rangie, or a replacement transfer box was a huge leap of
faith, but the results are well worth it.

I went for a Nikon D70 with the 18-79 lens (just under ?800 for those bits)
and then added a 120-300 lense (2nd hand) and that seems to work well for
me.  OKay, so my wallet is lighter by just under a grand - but the biggest
problem with digital camera's  I found was always the lens, not the camera
res - so by going DSLR I think I get the best of both worlds.

At the moment I am still very much in the honeymoon phase (4 months in) and
still take too many photos - on the principle that the more I take at
different settings at the moment then I can learn what makes a good shot.
On the +ve though i've learned a lot about photography, and also added a old
(its older than me!) SLR with similar lenses to compare results.

Si
"David G. Bell" - 30 Oct 2004 13:19 GMT
On Saturday, in article <clvt3o$llc$1@sparta.btinternet.com>

> So Austin Shackles was, like
>
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> lens.  Got rid of it when I went to digital SLR, but I would recommend the
> make for lens quality and general usefulness.

Some of the cheap cameras are pretty poor, optically, but maybe OK for a
web page.  I currently use a Kodak camera which, in pixels, can give you
a decent 10x8 print.  Remember that you need quite a few printer pixels
from an inkjet to get the colour variation between camera pixels.

I've recently been scanning in some old slides.  Some of them, taken
with a cheapish camera, are nicely exposed, good for colour, but just
don't have the resolution.  The difference when I went to an SLR is
pretty obvious.

The cheapest slide/film scanner I know will scan about 1800 dpi, and I
went for the next higher in the range.  I'm not sure how often I'll get
the full advantage of 2400 dpi, but it also came with better photo-
editing software.  Incidentally, if the film will record 1800 dpi, and
the scanner scans at that, you won't get all the detail.  You'll on;y be
getting about 900dpi of detail.  The edges in the image don't always
line up with the edges in the sensor.

This is partly why high printer resolution will make a difference, even
for a low-resolution picture.

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George Spigot - 30 Oct 2004 18:36 GMT
Don't know what these are like but they are near me
http://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk/
Tim Hobbs - 30 Oct 2004 19:02 GMT
>Don't know what these are like but they are near me
>http://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk/

Useless.

Mandy almost didn't get her Chrimbo present last year, as they 'lost'
the order.  Couldn't guarantee stock, so on 23rd December at 1pm I
ordered one from Pixmania.  It arrived at 10.30am on Christmas Eve,
having been despatched from Paris.  Bloody excellent and cheaper than
the high street.

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George Spigot - 30 Oct 2004 19:13 GMT
> >Don't know what these are like but they are near me
> >http://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk/
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> having been despatched from Paris.  Bloody excellent and cheaper than
> the high street

.
good to know I suppose but as they are less than 8 mile from me I'd go and
pick it up.
I was gonna buy a optio s but when I wanted one they had sold out.
So bought a Cannon Ixus i at a bargain price of ?125 from elsewhere
(wanted a tiny camera)
Memory cards dirt cheap now 1gig sd ?57  :O( paid ?62 for 512 b4 I went on
holliday a couple of months ago.
Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 20:07 GMT
>>> Don't know what these are like but they are near me
>>> http://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk/
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> So bought a Cannon Ixus i at a bargain price of £125 from elsewhere
> (wanted a tiny camera)

I don't think I want anything that's small enough for me or Bruce to put in
a pocket - Bruce has already trashed the main screen on a Samsung V200. He
kneeled on it when he was changing a slow punture on the Lightweight.  Its
also got to be the most expensive Samsung screen to replace -cheapest I
found has been £80.

> Memory cards dirt cheap now 1gig sd £57  :O( paid £62 for 512 b4 I went on
> holliday a couple of months ago.

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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 20:03 GMT
>> Don't know what these are like but they are near me
>> http://www.internetcamerasdirect.co.uk/
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> having been despatched from Paris.  Bloody excellent and cheaper than
> the high street.

I checked and that's where we got the camcorder from.  At the time I was
after a Canon 650mvi and had been let down by a company over here, who were
waiting for stock.  Ordered the camera in the morning and had it the
following afternoon - also from Paris.  Arrived just in time for Isaacs
birthday and for us to take to the Land Rover Show at Peterborough.
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Tim Hobbs - 30 Oct 2004 20:16 GMT
>I checked and that's where we got the camcorder from.  At the time I was
>after a Canon 650mvi and had been let down by a company over here, who were
>waiting for stock.  Ordered the camera in the morning and had it the
>following afternoon - also from Paris.  Arrived just in time for Isaacs
>birthday and for us to take to the Land Rover Show at Peterborough.

The good bit is that you can watch the parcel's progress through the
various DHL depots, so you know it's coming and roughly when.

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'03 Volvo V70

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Nikki Cluley - 30 Oct 2004 12:40 GMT
>>>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>>> Canon - gives you the option of point and click or control the settings
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> thing looks nice...but they reckon it's gonna sell in the US for about 1600
> bucks just for the body.

Great - it will take even longer to make up my mind!

> FWIW, my thinking on going for an olympus was that olympus, being camera
> makers of some repute, ought to know how to make a lens.
>
> it's S/H mainly 'cos I can't afford a new one.

I like second hand - especially if its a bargain!
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Austin Shackles - 30 Oct 2004 14:04 GMT
>>>>> Any recomendations?  £250-£300 max and must be compatible with a Mac.
>>>> Canon - gives you the option of point and click or control the settings
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>I like second hand - especially if its a bargain!

the one I really fancied was the Oly 2100 UZ which has image stabilising as
well, but they were a bit on the pricey side for me, even S/H.  the one I
did buy was a serious bargain, came with 5x128MB cards and 3 sets of
batteries, and a decent case, plus of course the camera itself, fer about
165 inc postage ISTR.  considering the memory cards were at the time 75
quidsworth.
 
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