I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed of
the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out of
kilter!!
Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
Smorgo - 29 Dec 2004 22:05 GMT
> I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed of
> the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out of
> kilter!!
> Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
Credible source, or bloke down the pub?

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murphwiz - 29 Dec 2004 22:06 GMT
>>I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed
>
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>
> Credible source, or bloke down the pub?
There was something on the news about the earth was knocked of it's axis
by an inch...
StaffBull - 29 Dec 2004 22:39 GMT
bloke in work picked it up off the net somewhere, so dunno
>> I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed
> of
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>
> Credible source, or bloke down the pub?
Dave Liquorice - 29 Dec 2004 22:40 GMT
> Credible source, or bloke down the pub?
Have a dig on the web, a scientist from US Geological Survey seems to
be the main source, nothing on the USGS website though. As for GPS the
satellites are fine it's just that the world isn't where it's supposed
to be.

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Lee_D - 29 Dec 2004 22:24 GMT
>I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed
>of the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out
>of kilter!!
> Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
Well I got up to the Lakes today ok using sat nav for part of the trip. It
did say I'd got there when I was actually 2 doors away if that counts.
Lee D.
Hirsty's - 29 Dec 2004 22:51 GMT
> I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed of
> the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out of
> kilter!!
> Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
Hope no one tries to nuke us !! :-))
Erik-Jan Geniets - 29 Dec 2004 23:25 GMT
> Hope no one tries to nuke us !! :-))
Why not. If they try now they will probably mis......
...and hit me instead......;-(
Kind regards,
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StaffBull - 30 Dec 2004 01:07 GMT
Might miss Anglesey then!! apparently we were a priority target( dunno how
high in the scheme of things) in the cold war due to the two Nuclear power
stations in close proximity and the RAF base
gives you a nice cosy feeling!
>> Hope no one tries to nuke us !! :-))
>
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> Kind regards,
> Erik-Jan.
"David G. Bell" - 30 Dec 2004 08:08 GMT
On Thursday, in article <cqvkd6$3ta$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>
> Might miss Anglesey then!! apparently we were a priority target( dunno how
> high in the scheme of things) in the cold war due to the two Nuclear power
> stations in close proximity and the RAF base
> gives you a nice cosy feeling!
There were always far more targets than missiles, with vastly different
priorities.
Unless RAF Valley could take a fully loaded B-52, it'd be pretty low on
the list. The same with nuclear reactors; they're not an immediate
threat.

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StaffBull - 30 Dec 2004 19:19 GMT
I think RAF valley is OK to take any aircraft - cant remember seeing the
B52's at the shows but I was dragged along when I was a kid and was
completely uninterested as my old man worked there for 30 odd years.
> On Thursday, in article <cqvkd6$3ta$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>
>
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> the list. The same with nuclear reactors; they're not an immediate
> threat.
GerryNutoLR - 29 Dec 2004 23:03 GMT
>I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed
>of the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out
>of kilter!!
> Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
My Sat nav (etrex) has worked fine all day to OS maps on Kinder.
I wasn't the one who got lost in the mist and rain.
Gerry
SimonJ - 29 Dec 2004 23:41 GMT
> I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed of
> the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out of
> kilter!!
> Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
Mine was about 1/4 mile NE out of position coming back from work tonight.
Any one else out of position??
Steve - 30 Dec 2004 16:50 GMT
> > I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed
> of
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> >
> Mine was about 1/4 mile NE out of position coming back from work tonight.
And with that knowledge, how many hours sleep did you get last night?
Personally I had the full eight hours, but some may feel that the sky is
about to fall in on them. To whom..... hahahahaha!!!
Steve
SimonJ - 30 Dec 2004 23:05 GMT
> > Mine was about 1/4 mile NE out of position coming back from work tonight.
>
> And with that knowledge, how many hours sleep did you get last night?
That particular bit of knowledge made not 1oz of difference to the amount of
sleep I had, I got to bed around 2am, having finished the last of the nights
breakdowns, was woken again at about 3am, to go and fix another one, back to
bed for 4.30ish, then up at 7.
Had I had any spare sleep to lose, I don't think I would have lost any
worrying about the tom-tom being in the middle of a herd of cows, instead of
in lane2 of the motorway!!!
StaffBull - 30 Dec 2004 00:55 GMT
Found this on www.pocketgps.co.uk
seems guy at work was not talking out of his arse!!
Makes you think - what next?
Following on from the worlds worst Tsunami's with a death toll figure
furiously approaching 80,000, US based scientists from the Geological Survey
(USGS) have said "the quake that set off the wall of water had moved
tectonic plates beneath the Indian Ocean by up to 30 meters (100 feet),
causing the Earth to wobble on its axis and permanently shortening the day
by a fraction of a second. " which is a quote from Reuters. Science.orf.at
in a Google Translation also says "The heavy earthquake before the coast of
Sumatra has substantial geological effects. Thus the tectonic plates under
the Indian ocean did not only shift experts according to around
approximately 30 meters. Also the earth rotation could accelerate itself
around three microseconds per day". This could adversely affect the Earth,
satellites and GPS over a long period of time.
>I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed
>of the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out
>of kilter!!
> Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
John Oakes - 30 Dec 2004 01:24 GMT
> Found this on www.pocketgps.co.uk
>
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>>of kilter!!
>>Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
Strange that though. I thought I recognized the back of head. Just hope
we don't get anymore like these or else christmas will be coming too
early next year.

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Dave Liquorice - 30 Dec 2004 09:05 GMT
> Just hope we don't get anymore like these or else christmas will be
> coming too early next year.
Well it will be about 1mS earlier anyway but any excuse for the shops
to start flogging Christmas stuf in August I guess. B-)

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Dave Liquorice - 30 Dec 2004 09:19 GMT
> Makes you think - what next?
Big metorite impact? There are 654 known Potentially
Hazardous Asteroids, PHAs. Space rocks larger than approximately 100m
that can come closer to Earth than 0.05 AU. An AU is the distance
between the Earth and Sun and also note "known" quite a number are
detected *after* they have come within closest approach...
As far as known PHAs are concerned it's been a quiet couple of months,
only 2 in Nov and 2 in Dec, closest was 5LD on the 24th Dec (Earth
Moon distance or 0.0128AU).

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StaffBull - 30 Dec 2004 19:21 GMT
I remember seeing a program on that on discovery - one came down in Siberia
in about 1908 I think - made a hell of a mess!!!
>> Makes you think - what next?
>
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> only 2 in Nov and 2 in Dec, closest was 5LD on the 24th Dec (Earth
> Moon distance or 0.0128AU).
Dave Liquorice - 30 Dec 2004 21:33 GMT
> I remember seeing a program on that on discovery - one came down in
> Siberia in about 1908 I think - made a hell of a mess!!!
Yep, and that was only 30m across and didn't actually hit the
ground...
http://www.psi.edu/projects/siberia/siberia.html

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Steve Taylor - 30 Dec 2004 21:56 GMT
> I remember seeing a program on that on discovery - one came down in Siberia
> in about 1908 I think - made a hell of a mess!!!
Tunguska, 1912, missed Western Europe by 4 hours.
The Asian earthquake was roughly the equivalent of 450 megatonnes of
TNT, If the latest asteroid predicted to pass us by in 2029 actually
hit, it would be around 2000 MT.. Thats some bang !
Steve
Lee_D - 30 Dec 2004 22:53 GMT
>> I remember seeing a program on that on discovery - one came down in
>> Siberia in about 1908 I think - made a hell of a mess!!!
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>
> Steve
Where can I get one of those temporary windscreens, to be on the safe side?
Lee D
Ian Rawlings - 31 Dec 2004 08:16 GMT
> Found this on www.pocketgps.co.uk
>
> seems guy at work was not talking out of his arse!!
That same google translation of a single web site is doing the rounds,
I suspect it's one of those plausible-sounding nonsense stories.

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SimonJ - 31 Dec 2004 17:15 GMT
> I have heard that the recent Tsunami has resulted in the rotational speed of
> the world shifting slightly and has knocked the sat nav satellites out of
> kilter!!
> Dunno by how much, but it goes to show the size of the quake!!
Quote from the United States Geological Survey..........
"Question: What effect did this earthquake have on the rotation of the
earth? Answer: Richard Gross at JPL has modeled the coseismic effect on the
Earth's rotation of the December 26 earthquake in Indonesia by using the
PREM model for the elastic properties of the Earth and the Harvard
centroid-moment tensor solution for the source properties of the earthquake.
The result is:
change in length of day: -2.676 microseconds
polar motion excitation X : -0.670 milliarcseconds
polar motion excitation Y: 0.475 milliarcseconds
Since the length of the day can be measured with an accuracy of about 20
microseconds, this model predicts that the change in the length-of-day
caused by the earthquake is much too small to be observed. And, since the
location of the earthquake was near the equator, this model predicts that
the change in polar motion excitation is also rather small, being about 0.82
milliarcsecond in amplitude. Such a small change in polar motion excitation
will also be difficult to detect"