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Thought you might like a giggle: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html Ben > Thought you might like a giggle: > > http://www.big-boys.com/articles/badhummer.html > > Ben Ouch!  SignatureSubaru WRX (The Bitch) Series 3 Landrover 88" (Albert) '"They called him Jimmy the gent" > > Thought you might like a giggle: > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ouch! Yes, Ouch!! looks to me like it was one of those H2's, the small version of the normal hummer which doesn't quite cost the $100k they say on the site, but is nevertheless still a heap of sh.t. Cheers. Sam. > > > Thought you might like a giggle: > > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Without wishing to be pedantic the H2 isnt really a Hummer at all , its basically a rebodied Chevy Suburban with its styling cues taken from the Hummer ( so a bit like the new beetle, rebodied Golf). The real Hummer is a hugely engineered piece of kit, still fairly crap though. The Kiwis didnt buy any after they had a few for evaluation, they chose the Mercedes Unimog instead. Steve the grease >Hummer is a hugely engineered piece of kit, still fairly crap though. The Kiwis didnt >buy any after they had a few for evaluation, they chose the Mercedes Unimog >instead. Mind, I've always fancied a Unimog. Meanwhile... Disco front seat frames are utter crap. Just been mending mine for the second time - if ICBA I'd pull it out and rebuild the offending bit with stronger materials. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that Blue: The sky is blue for a reason. Blue light is a source of strength and harmony in the cosmos. Create a blue light in your life by telephoning the police from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. >Mind, I've always fancied a Unimog. Yeah, me too - but they're totally impractical in every sense save serious offroading (and, ahem, I've actually had to unplug a moggie in Grumble before now...). A 101 has the benefit of being compact, yet powerful - and you can get into one without a ladder... >Meanwhile... Disco front seat frames are utter crap. Aren't they just! I thought it may be summat to do with the, erm, frame of the driver - then of course, Charlotte mainly drives our 'ex-Tim' and that's a bit fecked - she's only a featherweight too... >>Mind, I've always fancied a Unimog. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >frame of the driver - then of course, Charlotte mainly drives our >'ex-Tim' and that's a bit fecked - she's only a featherweight too... So, we have a knackered frame that usually supports Austin. Another one which normally holds up Martyn Another one which has spent 40,000 miles propping up little old me. Yes, must be a design flaw. It's the only possible explanation. Unless... SignatureTim Hobbs '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig" '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt" '03 Volvo V70 >>>Mind, I've always fancied a Unimog. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Unless... yet another potential problem with my soon-to-buy disco.... Regards. Mark. Signature_________________________________________ 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D (3,000 rivets flying in close formation) www.4x4info.info www.mvp-fine-art.co.uk www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk charity calendar project - http://www.4x4info.info/calendar/ _________________________________________ >Unless... I know where you live... >>Unless... > >I know where you live... Remember I only have quite narrow gates. SignatureTim Hobbs '58 Series 2 88" aka "Stig" '77 101FC Ambulance aka "Burrt" '03 Volvo V70 >Yes, must be a design flaw. It's the only possible explanation. > >Unless... thrrrrpt! but I stand (or sit, as the case may be) by what I say: the seat frame, from the rails to the tubular bit that supports the springs, is made of inferior and cheap-looking material and is prone to fail, partly due to that and partly due to the design, which creates a high-stress point which ain't re-inforced (it is, on mine, now). SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" Alphonse Karr (1808 - 1890) Les Guêpes, Jan 1849 >but I stand (or sit, as the case may be) by what I say: the seat frame, >from the rails to the tubular bit that supports the springs, is made of >inferior and cheap-looking material and is prone to fail, partly due to that >and partly due to the design, which creates a high-stress point which ain't >re-inforced (it is, on mine, now). <Group murmer> Denial... SignatureWayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213 Just another point of view... www.4x4prejudice.org >>but I stand (or sit, as the case may be) by what I say: the seat frame, >>from the rails to the tubular bit that supports the springs, is made of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ><Group murmer> Denial... feck orft. but in all seriousness, the seat frame is poorly designed/made; and also, the seat foam gives up the ghost an' all. Unfortunately, the fabric appears to be built into it, in some way, which rather precludes replacing just the foam part, even if it can be got. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that "You praise the firm restraint with which they write -_ I'm with you there, of course: They use the snaffle and the bit alright, but where's the bloody horse? - Roy Campbell (1902-1957) >><Group murmer> Denial... > >feck orft. I always thought there were good alternatives out there from other cars, Volvo's with heated leather seats etc? Got an old sofa here, any use? SignatureWayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213 Just another point of view... www.4x4prejudice.org >>><Group murmer> Denial... >> >>feck orft. > >I always thought there were good alternatives out there from other >cars, Volvo's with heated leather seats etc? dunno, for the disco. The other thing about it is it looks quite tricky to get the seat off the runners. Not tried it, mind, as such. If you can get the seat off the runners, then most other seats could be fitted, I suspect. I've a lot of time for Sierra seats, meself; I daresay a set of them would be quite nice in the disco, but I sold 'em with the 110. If I'd been thinking, I'd have replaced the original 110 seats in it... still, plenty in the breakers, innit. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that "I am tired and sick of war. Its glory is all moonshine... War is hell" Gen. Sherman (1820-1891) Attr. words in Address at Michigan Military Academy, 19 June 1879. > A 101 has the benefit of being compact, yet powerful - and you can get > into one without a ladder... Not according to this, unless my eyes are telling me lies: http://tinyurl.com/7g5u6 >> A 101 has the benefit of being compact, yet powerful - and you can get >> into one without a ladder... > >Not according to this, unless my eyes are telling me lies: >http://tinyurl.com/7g5u6 http://www.lobsternet.org/misc/101b.jpg isn't really worth the risk of tinyurling is it? Notwithstanding, the rear entry to this is actually lower than the entry to the passenger or driver doors. The ladder here being more of a convenience. > http://www.lobsternet.org/misc/101b.jpg > isn't really worth the risk of tinyurling is it? But if I didn't tinyurl there would be a good chance that you would know what photo I was referring to without much guessing, BTW, if you look at the photo again there are the shadows of three people, I hate to guess what the one on the right as viewed is up to (^-^) >isn't really worth the risk of tinyurling is it? mind, I don't actually see tinyurl as a risk, as such. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that "Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose" Alphonse Karr (1808 - 1890) Les Guêpes, Jan 1849 >>Meanwhile... Disco front seat frames are utter crap. > > Aren't they just! I thought it may be summat to do with the, erm, > frame of the driver - then of course, Charlotte mainly drives our > 'ex-Tim' and that's a bit fecked - she's only a featherweight too... Hi Martyn. Do they fit in a 101 ? Steve How does that old saying go ? A Unimog for necessity, a Landie for Pleasure but a Scammell Explorer for choice. Or maybe not, I just made it up, but I would just love the impracticability of a Scammell to annoy people who get impatient with me. SignatureþT L'autisme c'est moi "Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not believe in the laws of mathematics" > Mind, I've always fancied a Unimog. > > Meanwhile... Disco front seat frames are utter crap. > > Just been mending mine for the second time - if ICBA I'd pull it out and > rebuild the offending bit with stronger materials. >How does that old saying go ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Or maybe not, I just made it up, but I would just love the impracticability >of a Scammell to annoy people who get impatient with me. I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love one Alex >I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love one I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening... I don't think a stolly is in the same league as a scammel, you can haul a 100 ton steam locomotive with a scammell. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > >I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love one > > I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening... >I don't think a stolly is in the same league as a scammel, you can haul a >100 ton steam locomotive with a scammell. I know where there's an old one (Pioneer, maybe?), sitting in a forest - apparently it was driven there, so in theory it'd run... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.fsnet.co.uk my opinions are just that If all be true that I do think, There are five reasons we should drink; Good wine, a friend, or being dry, Or lest we should be by and by; Or any other reason why. - Henry Aldrich (1647 - 1710) >>I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love one > >I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening... Yes you are, yes you are, yes you are. Go on go on go on go on You know you want one Alex >>> I've got much the same opinion of a Alvis Stalwart...... I'd love >>> one [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yes you are, yes you are, yes you are. > Go on go on go on go on You know you want one or one of these maybe http://www.witham-sv.com/infopage.php?ID=6&Overide=1 There was a Hummer parked (badly) in the way when I walked down the bank this lunch time. I know the guy is an ex-boxer and they are not renown for savvy but a cour-d'elegance shine on an off-roader??? nigelH > How does that old saying go ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Or maybe not, I just made it up, but I would just love the impracticability > of a Scammell to annoy people who get impatient with me. I mot'ed a Pinzgauer 6x6 last night and I must say " I gotta get me one of them" It wouldn't work the brake test machine properly so I had to take it out on the road like you do I was very impressed It's been done for Red Bull with a disco in the back (not LR disco) SignatureAndy SWB Series 2a ( dressed as a 3) "Bruce" It's big, it's mean it's really, really green >I mot'ed a Pinzgauer 6x6 last night and I must say " I gotta get me one of them" Not many squaddies would agree. If I had a quid for every ex or current squaddie who's come up at a show and said how much they miss the Tonnie and how crap the Pinzy is, I could afford to go buy a round of drinks that'd even satisfy the likes of Wayne Davies... >I could afford to go buy a round >of drinks that'd even satisfy the likes of Wayne Davies... And there was me not even sniggering about the narrow gate comment.... Anyway, you want to ride in this Pinkie, or the other one....? SignatureWayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213 Just another point of view... www.4x4prejudice.org >Anyway, you want to ride in this Pinkie, or the other one....? Of course. I'm waiting for you to pull up outside in it to further scare the neighbours. (I have a spare bucket for the petrol). >Of course. I'm waiting for you to pull up outside in it to further >scare the neighbours. (I have a spare bucket for the petrol). But which one to bring? Choices choices... :) SignatureWayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213 Just another point of view... www.4x4prejudice.org >>Of course. I'm waiting for you to pull up outside in it to further >>scare the neighbours. (I have a spare bucket for the petrol). > >But which one to bring? > >Choices choices... :) 'ang on a mo... dida miss summat there... ? You do realise that if you tell me you have two pinkies I'll have no alternative other than to hurt you when next we meet. >'ang on a mo... dida miss summat there... ? > >You do realise that if you tell me you have two pinkies I'll have no >alternative other than to hurt you when next we meet. Had them both parked up outside the house last week. One neighbour came up to me and said it was nice to see a bit of colour on the street. SignatureWayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213 Just another point of view... www.4x4prejudice.org >>You do realise that if you tell me you have two pinkies I'll have no >>alternative other than to hurt you when next we meet. > >Had them both parked up outside the house last week. Remind me to take the barbed wire nippleclamps to the next show you'll be at... >>Had them both parked up outside the house last week. > >Remind me to take the barbed wire nippleclamps to the next show you'll >be at... This is supposed to deter me somehow....? SignatureWayne Davies, Harrogate 07989 556213 Just another point of view... www.4x4prejudice.org What, no comments about why IFS is crap? SS >> > > Thought you might like a giggle: >> > > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > instead. > Steve the grease > What, no comments about why IFS is crap? Depends how it's done, it's great on the Pinzgauer, although it's described as swinging half-axles on there rather than IFS, but the suspension is still independent on each wheel. When you load it at the back it does crab down on the suspension reducing the ground clearance, but even in that state it probably has more than a non-loaded landy! The Hummer H2 has beam axles though, it's based on a Chevvy Tahoe IIRC which never really did very well. It's a crap car. The proper hummer isn't bad, just enormous, with a long wheelbase so not much good for rock-crawling or really bumpy off-roading. It has IFS which doesn't help. SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert Thanks for the informative reply Ian , we don't have too many Hummers, etc here. Regards Sean >> What, no comments about why IFS is crap? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > rock-crawling or really bumpy off-roading. It has IFS which doesn't > help. >> > > Thought you might like a giggle: >> > > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >instead. >Steve the grease sounds nice though... Regards. Mark. Signature_________________________________________ 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D (3,000 rivets flying in close formation) www.4x4info.info www.mvp-fine-art.co.uk www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk charity calendar project - http://www.4x4info.info/calendar/ _________________________________________ >sounds nice though... Not anywhere near as nice as a 4.6L Rover V8 - IMO an all that... > > Without wishing to be pedantic the H2 isnt really a Hummer at all , its > basically a rebodied Chevy Suburban with its styling cues taken from the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > instead. > Steve the grease Yes Steve. you're exactly right. they are quite a different beast. don't know wether you fellas get it over in UK, but over in Aus they are a couple of firms that offer hummer kits. they have everything you need to transform a Landcruiser or Nissan Patrol into a hummer look-alike, basically an H2. they always look awkwardly narrow to me. while the genuine hummers always look stupidly wide. Cheers Sam. > while the genuine hummers always look stupidly wide. I read somewhere that one of the design requirements of the proper hummer was that it should be able to drive in the track ruts of an Abrahams tank as it was supposed to act as a support vehicle for them. Hence the girth! SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert Yeah but most railway locomotives still travel in the tracks of a Roman Chariot. Essentially the gauge was fixed by the practical distance of a horses arse and the yoke around its neck. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > I read somewhere that one of the design requirements of the proper > hummer was that it should be able to drive in the track ruts of an > Abrahams tank as it was supposed to act as a support vehicle for them. > Hence the girth! > > while the genuine hummers always look stupidly wide. > > I read somewhere that one of the design requirements of the proper > hummer was that it should be able to drive in the track ruts of an > Abrahams tank as it was supposed to act as a support vehicle for them. > Hence the girth! There was program on TV some years ago about a group of Yanks setting out design "the ideal off roader" - mostly set in the Sahara, and what they came up with was pretty much a Mk.1 Hummer. To get the mentality of the team, they observed a number cars getting stuck (Peugot 405's mostly), ignored the 2CV having no trouble at all (the 2CV, certainly a few years ago, was the only production saloon capable of crossing the Sahra unmodified) and a 110 Station Wagon, full of people with litteraly a 6 foot stack of luggage on the roof, struggling a bit but still moving. They seemed to thing this was a problem! Their vehicle, in two formats - 4x4 and 6x6, was then shown trundling along with 4 people and no luggage to speak of. There's nothing like being objective! I had cause to watch a 90, a Pinzgauler and a Hummer undergoing braking and swerve tests with a trailer a few years ago. The results were surprising...... Plus talking to some of those who were doing the tests was enlightening. Replacing the 101's means that moving a gun battery now requires 50% MORE helicopter lifts - a great step forward. The Hummer - well most of the comments could not be broadcast on TV, but it had been raining and the soft-topped Hummer didn't have any drain hole in the floor............ And finally....... in Bosnia/Croatia the US forces borrowed LR's off the Austrailians and Turks - the Hummers couldn't get down the roads. You've got laugh. Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!! Helping keep Land Rovers on and off the road to annoy the Lib Dems >> Without wishing to be pedantic the H2 isnt really a Hummer at all , its >basically a rebodied Chevy Suburban with its styling cues taken from the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >instead. >Steve the grease We bought the Pinzgauer to replace the Landrovers the army used. the Unimogs we have had for years - assuming you are talking about the trucks. The Pinzgauer soudns like a serious piece of offroad kit. Geoff >>> Without wishing to be pedantic the H2 isnt really a Hummer at all , its >>basically a rebodied Chevy Suburban with its styling cues taken from the [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >The Pinzgauer soudns like a serious piece of offroad kit. >Geoff As I understand it the Pinzgauer uses locking diffs to maintain traction and has very very poor axle articulation, which means it is always going to be inferieor to a land rover with locking diffs, just a thought Regards. Mark. Signature_________________________________________ 1984 110 CSW 2.5(na)D (3,000 rivets flying in close formation) www.4x4info.info www.mvp-fine-art.co.uk www.markvarleyphoto.co.uk charity calendar project - http://www.4x4info.info/calendar/ _________________________________________ > As I understand it the Pinzgauer uses locking diffs to maintain > traction and has very very poor axle articulation, which means it is > always going to be inferieor to a land rover with locking diffs, just > a thought I think you're confusing it with the Mercedes G-Wagen which has had that complaint levelled against it many times, the Pinz has swing axles pivoted in the middle of the chassis, extremely good axle articulation and portal axles. It's a very serious piece of kit indeed, although it's rotten for driving long distances, very noisy transmission indeed and a low top speed. If there's one thing it's much better than the landy at, it's off-roading. You can't start whacking enormous wheels on it though like you can with the landy and parts are expensive. I've seen a pinz waltzing along a dried up river bed littered with very large boulders though so there's not much need for it. SignatureFor every expert, there is an equal but opposite expert Well every vehicle has its place (except Hummers of course). My Limo was not for offroading but it was certainly a damn site more comfortable for long distance cruising. 101's are awesome vehicles and though I would like one, I think as an all rounder a series or a defender cannot be beaten. obviosly an upto date 4wd agricultural tractor will out perform anything off road Hummers, Pinzgaurs, and Abrams tanks alike because of the low ground pressure and huge wheels but a humble trail bike will still go where none of them can SignatureþT L'autisme c'est moi "Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not believe in the laws of mathematics" > I think you're confusing it with the Mercedes G-Wagen which has had > that complaint levelled against it many times, the Pinz has swing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > waltzing along a dried up river bed littered with very large boulders > though so there's not much need for it. |
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