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Huw - 16 Nov 2005 20:50 GMT
I happened across a 200tdi today whose owner claimed a genuine 280,000 hard
miles. No major engine work done to it. Missing fifth gear and failed MOT
due to broken chassis so now only used on his 2000 acres of private land.
'Not bad' is my though. So, are there any harder worked ones out there?

Huw
Mother - 16 Nov 2005 22:18 GMT
>I happened across a 200tdi today whose owner claimed a genuine 280,000 hard
>miles. No major engine work done to it. Missing fifth gear and failed MOT
>due to broken chassis so now only used on his 2000 acres of private land.
>'Not bad' is my though. So, are there any harder worked ones out there?

Lots.  My 200tdi Disco had 250,000 miles on it - and I'm not a heavy
user :-)

(Had a FSH, and all the usual minor repairs, like gearbox...)

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Huw - 16 Nov 2005 22:43 GMT
>>I happened across a 200tdi today whose owner claimed a genuine 280,000
>>hard
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Lots.  My 200tdi Disco had 250,000 miles on it - and I'm not a heavy
> user :-)

I did ask 'heavier' not lighter use ;-)

Huw
hiker - 17 Nov 2005 00:42 GMT
Try carting 20 bags of concrete mix between Sydney and Bourke ... in a 1994
110 - with 238,000 kms and stock standard wheels etc.  Thats 20 x 40kgs!
cheers

> >>I happened across a 200tdi today whose owner claimed a genuine 280,000
> >>hard
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Huw
Badger - 17 Nov 2005 09:11 GMT
> Try carting 20 bags of concrete mix between Sydney and Bourke ... in a
> 1994
> 110 - with 238,000 kms and stock standard wheels etc.  Thats 20 x 40kgs!
> cheers

Not meaning to be picky, but that's only 800kg, far less than the payload of
the vehicle so nothing special in that.
I once loaded the back of my 110 with concrete building blocks, 100 x 4"
blocks @ 20kg each, 2000kg total. The back end was on the bump stops, the
handling was like an ocean-going oil tanker made of rubber and the brakes
were, well, not! Thankfully I was only going 5 miles.
Badger.
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" - 17 Nov 2005 15:11 GMT
> Not meaning to be picky, but that's only 800kg, far less than the payload of
> the vehicle so nothing special in that.
> I once loaded the back of my 110 with concrete building blocks, 100 x 4"
> blocks @ 20kg each, 2000kg total. The back end was on the bump stops, the
> handling was like an ocean-going oil tanker made of rubber and the brakes
> were, well, not! Thankfully I was only going 5 miles.

Pah, call that hard work?
I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to the
Shetlands by coast path in a Series I!

:¬)

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Badger - 17 Nov 2005 15:29 GMT
>> Not meaning to be picky, but that's only 800kg, far less than the payload
>> of the vehicle so nothing special in that.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to the
> Shetlands by coast path in a Series I!

I once got a phone call from my brother-in-law to ask for help, they were
trying to move a "static" caravan, one of the big mobile homes that's 10
foot wide, 30-odd foot long and has a harled exterior, god knows what it
weighed. Anyway, it was stuck on a slope, axles bogged down, and an old
fergie tractor hooked up to the van's removable drawbar. Fergie's wheels
would just spin, even with the diff locked. We attached a big tree strop
around the front axle of the fergie, hooked it onto the back of the landy
and pulled the whole bloomin' lot! Brother-in-law was walking at a fast pace
next to my drivers window laughing his head off, when asked why he replied "
look at the fergie's wheels". I did, and saw that not only was I dragging
the caravan, but the fergie as well!! It's wheels were turning but it was
moving faster than it's wheels.....  That was with a high-torque 3.5 engine
and an LT77 box, in 1st low, 1500rpm at nearly full throttle. I was just
waiting for the bang as a half-shaft let go, but somehow it all held
together.
I was once asked to pull a Mk2 Escort out of a rally stage - with the NSF
wheel ripped back under the navigator's footwell, when I told him the price
of a clutch, he said I suppose you'd best just leave it (the car) somewhere
we can get access with the trailer then. Boy, was I glad, I didn't fancy
towing a dead unsteerable weight for 5 miles to the end of the stage, I
doubt if I would have anyway, it would have ripped the track up too much.
Badger.
Austin Shackles - 17 Nov 2005 19:05 GMT
>>> Not meaning to be picky, but that's only 800kg, far less than the payload
>>> of the vehicle so nothing special in that.
>>> I once loaded the back of my 110 with concrete building blocks, 100 x 4"
>>> blocks @ 20kg each, 2000kg total. The back end was on the bump stops, the
>>> handling was like an ocean-going oil tanker made of rubber and the brakes
>>> were, well, not! Thankfully I was only going 5 miles.

Mind, 2000Kg is *way* over the payload for a 110... seriously, though,
payload for a 110 is not much more than 800Kg - the "one ton" series was a
special version, remember...

>> Pah, call that hard work?
>> I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to the
>> Shetlands by coast path in a Series I!

hehehe

>and an old
>fergie tractor hooked up to the van's removable drawbar. Fergie's wheels
>would just spin, even with the diff locked.

picky, I know, but I never saw a Fergie with a difflock.
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Badger - 17 Nov 2005 19:46 GMT
>>>> Not meaning to be picky, but that's only 800kg, far less than the
>>>> payload
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> payload for a 110 is not much more than 800Kg - the "one ton" series was a
> special version, remember...

Hmmmm.... according to the handbook for my 110 (originally a 2.28 petrol)
the gross vehicle weight is 3050kg, the unladen weight is 1750kg, leaving a
payload of 1300kg. I know I was overweight (I personally still am...) but it
was either that or do a second round trip and I couldn't be arsed!

>>> Pah, call that hard work?
>>> I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> picky, I know, but I never saw a Fergie with a difflock.

I think it was a 35 or a 135 with no cab Austin, although I think some of
the last of the "grey fergies" did indeed have a difflock pedal on the right
hand side, behind your right heel? Unless my memory is fuzzy and it wasn't a
fergie, but it was grey so I assumed it was. S'pose it could have been a
Dexta?
Badger.
Huw - 17 Nov 2005 20:19 GMT
"Badger" <brianhatton@btinternet.com> wrote in message >
> I think it was a 35 or a 135 with no cab Austin, although I think some of
> the last of the "grey fergies" did indeed have a difflock pedal on the
> right hand side, behind your right heel? Unless my memory is fuzzy and it
> wasn't a fergie, but it was grey so I assumed it was. S'pose it could have
> been a Dexta?

The TE20 had independent brakes on both sides with pedals hinging forward
from the back axle. Not that I have ever taken much notice of these things.

Huw
Austin Shackles - 17 Nov 2005 22:16 GMT
>"Badger" <brianhatton@btinternet.com> wrote in message >
>> I think it was a 35 or a 135 with no cab Austin, although I think some of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>The TE20 had independent brakes on both sides with pedals hinging forward
>from the back axle. Not that I have ever taken much notice of these things.

there were of course grey 35s.  dunno if they had difflocks.  I've an idea
the 65 did.
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hugh - 17 Nov 2005 21:54 GMT
>>>>> Not meaning to be picky, but that's only 800kg, far less than the
>>>>> payload
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>Dexta?
>Badger.

The grey fergies had individual brakes for the rear wheels when I last
drove one (1962ish)- pedal in the position you describe on each side. I
think the idea was to enable a near 90 degree turn, but they could also
be use on a spinning wheel when stuck.
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Martin Edwards - 19 Nov 2005 22:29 GMT
>I
> think the idea was to enable a near 90 degree turn, but they could also
> be use on a spinning wheel when stuck.
> --
> hugh

We used to have a nuffield tractor.  Used it to push the wrecks off a stock
car track.

fun party piece as follows.........

put foot on clutch.

stand hard on single side brake of choice

engage 2nd

give hand throttle full welly

pop clutch.

the front wheels would lift off the ground and the breast would do a full
pirouette before the wheels touched down again!!!!!!

Always got a cheer from the crowd!!!
wayne@lardrover.co.uk - 20 Nov 2005 09:14 GMT
clutch.

>the breast would do a full pirouette before the wheels touched down again!!!!!!
>
>Always got a cheer from the crowd!!!

A tittillating effect, did you have to milk it much?
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beamendsltd - 17 Nov 2005 15:44 GMT
> > Not meaning to be picky, but that's only 800kg, far less than the payload of
> > the vehicle so nothing special in that.
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>
> :¬)

1600 Petrol?

Richard
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"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" - 18 Nov 2005 09:45 GMT
> 1600 Petrol?

It was a 1595cc inlet-over-exhaust developed for the Rover P3 saloon
car, 50bhp at 4000rpm. 80ft lb of torque at 2000 rpm.9in Rover clutch
(soon changed for Borg & Beck version)

IIRC.

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Mother - 17 Nov 2005 19:00 GMT
>Pah, call that hard work?
>I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to the
>Shetlands by coast path in a Series I!

Right...

I once had to pull the Isle of Wight out of the way 'cos the Queen
didn't like the view of Cowes from her cabin on Britania.  Didn't have
the luxury of a Landie mind, had to throw a rope 'round the bugger and
pull it wi mi teeth...

You try tellin' that to the kids today...
Badger - 17 Nov 2005 19:45 GMT
>>Pah, call that hard work?
>>I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> You try tellin' that to the kids today...

LOL!

Eeeeeee, when I were a lad.............
Badger.
Huw - 17 Nov 2005 20:21 GMT
>>Pah, call that hard work?
>>I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> You try tellin' that to the kids today...

That must have been the day I towed England, Scotland and Wales out of the
path of some madman towing the Isle of Wight recklessly...............

Huw
"Pet @ www.gymratz.co.uk ;¬)" - 18 Nov 2005 09:43 GMT
> That must have been the day I towed England, Scotland and Wales out of the
> path of some madman towing the Isle of Wight recklessly...............

Now you're just being silly!

:¬)

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Huw - 18 Nov 2005 17:51 GMT
>> That must have been the day I towed England, Scotland and Wales out of
>> the path of some madman towing the Isle of Wight
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> :¬)

You don't believe me?

Huw
Mother - 18 Nov 2005 17:55 GMT
>>> That must have been the day I towed England, Scotland and Wales out of
>>> the path of some madman towing the Isle of Wight
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>You don't believe me?

I remember you - snotty sort telling me I couldn't leave the
Isle-of-Wight parked off Pembroke - I would have told you to get
knotted but had a mouth full of rope...
Richard Brookman - 18 Nov 2005 20:17 GMT
...and Mother" <"@ {mother} @ spake unto the tribes of Usenet, saying...

>> Pah, call that hard work?
>> I once towed an entire north sea drilling platform from Falmouth to
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> You try tellin' that to the kids today...

Teeth?  Luxury...

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Roberts - 18 Nov 2005 22:24 GMT
> ...and Mother" <"@ {mother} @ spake unto the tribes of Usenet,
> saying...
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> You can't tow the Isle of Wight away - its firmly attached to the big
>> island by gas, water, main pipes electric & phone cables.
Richard - 17 Nov 2005 10:04 GMT
> Try carting 20 bags of concrete mix between Sydney and Bourke ... in a
> 1994
> 110 - with 238,000 kms and stock standard wheels etc.  Thats 20 x 40kgs!
> cheers

Just a very tiny caravan then with no payload and nought else in the car
.......... Richard
beamendsltd - 17 Nov 2005 09:03 GMT
> I happened across a 200tdi today whose owner claimed a genuine 280,000 hard
> miles. No major engine work done to it. Missing fifth gear and failed MOT
> due to broken chassis so now only used on his 2000 acres of private land.
> 'Not bad' is my though. So, are there any harder worked ones out there?
>
> Huw

Just about run in! 300,000 is not uncommon. The only dead 200Tdi's
I've come accorss have been killed by negelct, usually either lack
of oil and/or water. 300Tdi's in particular do not like being
run with no water even for very short times - mind you, any engine
should never be run without water (particilary modern ones), the
temperature stresses build up immediately and will damage it in no
time at all - the effects often remaining "hidden" for possibly quite
a while.

Richard
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MVP - 17 Nov 2005 13:46 GMT
>> I happened across a 200tdi today whose owner claimed a genuine 280,000 hard
>> miles. No major engine work done to it. Missing fifth gear and failed MOT
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Richard

don't be saying that, ye making me sweat here.

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