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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / November 2005Ever bought something then regretted it?
Not until I picked up a 1995-M Disco 300TDi!! Checked it out and all seemed well, FSH bit of rust but very minor, drove OK seemed a bargain at £2900. Then........ Seized Diff Lock selector Knackered rear door latch Heater only blowing cold-lukewarm = Service & Cambelt & 2 Tyres + MOT + temp sender = £605 Then..... Breaks down on the A64, water pump spewing water and coolant = RAC recovery Now in at land Rover dealer to try and sort the overheating engine/underheating cabin, difflock and rear door latch as other non LR garage hadn't a clue) I am starting to think the unthinkable and swap it for a Jap of some sort !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-( >Not until I picked up a 1995-M Disco 300TDi!! Checked it out and all seemed >well, FSH bit of rust but very minor, drove OK seemed a bargain at £2900. > >Then........ [snip] bummer, but then again, a 10-year-old jap 4x4 could have simialr problems and cost you a mint in parts to put right... chap I know bought a 93 toyota surf thing, Just spent big moolah on getting the head gasket and head sorted... LR dealers are expensive. Hunt a decent independent who knows LRs, there are quite a few about. What area are you in? > LR dealers are expensive. Hunt a decent independent who knows LRs, there > are quite a few about. > > What area are you in? Bradford, West Yorkshire. Hi Andrew, look upon it this way (as I am going through similar!) 1) once you find a nice cheap independent service place, you wont let them go 2) yeah, ok, a few niggles, but once they're sorted, they will niggle no more for some time if they've been done properly 3) I bought what on the outside looked like a tidy swb shogun for my mother in law. It came with an MOT that had a long time to run. When I popped it into my local (Douglas Motors in Wolston nr Coventry) garage, they put a prohibition notice on it because the chassis was made of papier mache! So the jap stuff is just as prone to problems. My v8 Disco is currently at the hospital in swanley. Just after i'd bought it, i thought "xfer box sounds a bit loud, wonder if there is any oil in it?" I managed to get a litre in (and the book says it holds 1.7!) then I checked the diffs, despite taking 4 hours to undo the drain plugs and fill plugs, i then found used engine oil (yes honestly!!). Again I sorted. Then I got the bits to do the camshaft (thanks Richard at Beamends) well, it took me a week to do what should take about an hour - the oil drain plug took 5 hours to get off, the viscous fan took about 7. Well, I gave up, and booked it in to see uncle Barry. Well, the day before it was due to go in, SWMBO went to move it on the drive and it wouldn't go. AA said overfuelling, prolly airflow meter. So had to get it relayed in. That was last wednesday, and with a bit of luck, tomorrow I get it back, with a stout dose of open wallet surgery - but do I care? no - why not - because I just love the sound of the v8 and the disco is a fine example of the beasty. So dont regret it, just look upon it as preventative maintenance, oh and find a good indy garage asafp. Si Just spoke to dealer, diff lock mechanism is seized up and might need replacing and door latch is shot, £150, can live with that. Coolant leak is a water pump gasket at £15 + £200 labour, ouch! Worse still, they reckon something nasty is causing it, e.g. head gasket, if this is the case they reckon £800-900 at which point I will be looking for a discreet arsonist! or more likely a decent lawyer to sue the trader that sold me it last Monday! A. > Just spoke to dealer, diff lock mechanism is seized up and might need > replacing and door latch is shot, £150, can live with that. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > A. Drive/ have it relay'd to me in Morayshire, North Scotland, I'll do the head gasket for a fraction of that!! (Last one I did cost the bloke £150, with a new set of bolts as well.) Oh, and the water pump gasket I'll replace at the same time for another tenner!!! Let's face it, what they're ripping you off in labour would more than cover your fuel and accommodation...... Badger. > Drive/ have it relay'd to me in Morayshire, North Scotland, I'll do the head > gasket for a fraction of that!! (Last one I did cost the bloke £150, with a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Badger. Well said that man! Sounds like there's honest garages up north as well. But they might be just guessing where the water's coming from, might be 'P' gasket in which case you'd be a tenner out of pocket ;-) Martin When you bought it, did they put that lovely phrase "sold as seen" on the bill? what condition was it sold as? To of only had it a week and to have these sorts of issues - get the landrover dealer to do a report, and then have a chat with trading standards - they can be a very effective tool if used properly. Si The wording in the ad reads " It is mechanically excellent and drives just as it should. Underneath is very solid with no signs of the usual 'rot' and is also free from oil and coolant leaks. The only faults on the vehicle are purely cosmetic" > When you bought it, did they put that lovely phrase "sold as seen" on > the bill? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Si Defo get the LR dealer to do a report then, and whilst waiting, have a chat with trading standards. They cannot hide behind phrases like "sold as seen" on the receipt either - that only covers for things like windscreen wipers that you **CAN** see. Si >Just spoke to dealer, diff lock mechanism is seized up and might need >replacing and door latch is shot, £150, can live with that. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >arsonist! or more likely a decent lawyer to sue the trader that sold me it >last Monday! stay away from main dealers Find, as others have said, a local, competent independent Land Rover specialist. Like: http://www.wgbautos.co.uk  Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 >>Just spoke to dealer, diff lock mechanism is seized up and might need >>replacing and door latch is shot, £150, can live with that. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Find, as others have said, a local, competent independent Land Rover > specialist. Like: http://www.wgbautos.co.uk I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth my while caving in and simply following the lead of so many round here and trying to get my motor serviced by The Warren - it's 50 miles each way, but for the level of recommendation he comes with it's probably worth it. Question is, does he actually have any available time with all the 101ers in Yorkshire monopolising him? P. Anyone used Stables 4x4 Centre on Harrogate Road, Pool-In-Wharfedale? They claim to be an independent LR specialist with Discoveries being their forte. Andy >> Find, as others have said, a local, competent independent Land Rover >> specialist. Like: http://www.wgbautos.co.uk >Anyone used Stables 4x4 Centre on Harrogate Road, Pool-In-Wharfedale? > >They claim to be an independent LR specialist with Discoveries being their >forte. Tell them what the main dealer has said. Ask them what they think. Ask them to give you an idea of cost. After a little basic psychology you should be able to sus out whether they see you as a potential valued customer who will keep coming back - or - a quick twit-hit. Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 > Anyone used Stables 4x4 Centre on Harrogate Road, Pool-In-Wharfedale? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>> Find, as others have said, a local, competent independent Land Rover >>> specialist. Like: http://www.wgbautos.co.uk i'M TAKING MY lANDIE IN THIS WEEK FOR THE REAR CROSSMEMBER REPLACING, THEY DO SEEM TO KNOW LANDIES. i PRESUME YOU MEAN 'tHE dICOVERY CENTRE' SignatureSubaru WRX Range Rover LSE (Bob) '"gimme the f*ckin' money" >> Anyone used Stables 4x4 Centre on Harrogate Road, Pool-In-Wharfedale? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > i'M TAKING MY lANDIE IN THIS WEEK FOR THE REAR CROSSMEMBER REPLACING, > THEY DO SEEM TO KNOW LANDIES. i PRESUME YOU MEAN 'tHE dICOVERY CENTRE' WTF! >> i'M TAKING MY lANDIE IN THIS WEEK FOR THE REAR CROSSMEMBER REPLACING, >> THEY DO SEEM TO KNOW LANDIES. i PRESUME YOU MEAN 'tHE dICOVERY CENTRE' > > WTF! LOL.. that's impressive! You need to take more water with it though ;) Lee D If they are still there, the two er, mature gentlemen who ran the garage near the Abundant Life Church, in (I think) Wapping Road, Bradford 3 were, in my experience, very helpful, competent and straight. But I moved away from W.Yorks in 2000, and they may have retired by now. TFP >But I moved away from W.Yorks in 2000, and they may have retired by now. Quality engineers never retire. They just get a little rusty... > If they are still there, the two er, mature gentlemen who ran the > garage near the Abundant Life Church, in (I think) Wapping Road, > Bradford 3 were, in my experience, very helpful, competent and > straight. But I moved away from W.Yorks in 2000, and they may have > retired by now. > TFP VERY expensive though. Mainly into S vehicles & Defenders etc. SignatureSubaru WRX Range Rover LSE (Bob) '"gimme the f*ckin' money" >Question is, does he actually have any available time with all the >101ers in Yorkshire monopolising him? You'll have a bit of a wait for anything unusual - and need to book at least 4 weeks in advance for general stuff. Can't even get my own in by jumping the queue :-( Do give me a shout if you're thinking of visiting The Warren. I'm only 50 yards away and always have good coffee brewing :-) Signature"We have gone from a world of concentrated knowledge and wisdom to one of distributed ignorance. And we know and understand less while being increasingly capable." Prof. Peter Cochrane, formerly of BT Labs In memory of Brian {Hamilton Kelly} who logged off 15th September 2005 > I'm only 50 yards away and always have good coffee brewing :-) Aye, Eventually. The first time I came by, you were a hell of a lot further away..... ;-) Steve >>Question is, does he actually have any available time with all the >>101ers in Yorkshire monopolising him? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Do give me a shout if you're thinking of visiting The Warren. I'm >only 50 yards away and always have good coffee brewing :-) That's if you're not there anyway :-) >>Do give me a shout if you're thinking of visiting The Warren. I'm >>only 50 yards away and always have good coffee brewing :-) > >That's if you're not there anyway :-) Que? >>>Do give me a shout if you're thinking of visiting The Warren. I'm >>>only 50 yards away and always have good coffee brewing :-) >> >>That's if you're not there anyway :-) > >Que? at Warren's. >>>>Do give me a shout if you're thinking of visiting The Warren. I'm >>>>only 50 yards away and always have good coffee brewing :-) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >at Warren's. Ah, I see wot ya mean... :-) >>Question is, does he actually have any available time with all the >>101ers in Yorkshire monopolising him? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Do give me a shout if you're thinking of visiting The Warren. I'm >only 50 yards away and always have good coffee brewing :-) 'tis good coffee indeed! SignatureSimon Isaacs Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director 101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer! Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next 1993 200 TDi Discovery 1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded..... >Just spoke to dealer, diff lock mechanism is seized up and might need >replacing and door latch is shot, £150, can live with that. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >A. www.wgbautos.co.uk Get it recovered there if you have to - you'll save money and get the job done properly. £900 for a head gasket? That ought to include a new head! SignatureTim Hobbs > www.wgbautos.co.uk > > Get it recovered there if you have to - you'll save money and get the > job done properly. £900 for a head gasket? That ought to include a > new head! You will have to get in quick, I've just started Extradition proceedings to get Warren Based in North Staffordshire. ;-) Lee D Signaturewww.lrproject.com >Get it recovered there if you have to - you'll save money and get the >job done properly. £900 for a head gasket? That ought to include a >new head! yebbut, main dealers, innit. They tried to charge us 350 quid to change a 300 TDi vacuum pump - same pump, retail, delivered in a hurry, cost me 109 quid, so I doubt it costs the dealer more then about 60, and when I say same pump I mean it, same make, not a cheap copy (just a cheap crappy pump) So that makes a minimum of 250 quid for labour - and that's a job which you'd have a hard time making it take more than half an hour from driving the vehicle into the shop to driving out again. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that In Touch: Get in touch with yourself by touching yourself. If somebody is watching, stop touching yourself. from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. > >Get it recovered there if you have to - you'll save money and get the > >job done properly. £900 for a head gasket? That ought to include a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > you'd have a hard time making it take more than half an hour from driving > the vehicle into the shop to driving out again. In fairness, the Genune Parts pump is currently £259.81 + VAT Richard Signaturewww.beamends-lrspares.co.uk sales@beamends-lrspares.co.uk Running a business in a Microsoft free environment - it can be done Powered by Risc-OS - you won't get a virus from us!! Boycott the Yorkshire Dales - No Play, No Pay >> >Get it recovered there if you have to - you'll save money and get the >> >job done properly. £900 for a head gasket? That ought to include a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >In fairness, the Genune Parts pump is currently £259.81 + VAT maybe so, in which case they're ripping off for the pump itself as well as labour. The pump on the vehicle was AFAIK the original, and the replacement from Paddock was the exact same unit. I understand the rationale behind the 70+ quid per hour labour charges, about the overheads and so on. What I don't see is paying 100% or more over the odds for the same parts. OK, *some* genuine parts are different, and may be higher quality. But not in this case. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero" (sieze today, and put as little trust as you can in tomorrow) Horace (65 - 8 BC) Odes, I.xi.8 >> Not until I picked up a 1995-M Disco 300TDi!! Checked it out and >> all seemed well, FSH bit of rust but very minor, drove OK seemed a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > chap I know bought a 93 toyota surf thing, Just spent big moolah on > getting the head gasket and head sorted... I have a workmate who bought an '89 shogun some five years ago for 5k. Everyone told him it was a dud but he would not listen and would not return it. When the MOT ran out it was obviously going to fail due to chassis rust. There was so much welding and mechanical work needed and he had also been well and trully stiched up on the finance, that he could not afford to get it fixed at the time. Of course it only got worse and it is still lying there waiting to be fixed, which it never will. It is 5k's worth of Japanese scrap which he had only six months of use out of. Counting the finance cost, I believe he has paid nearly 9k to watch it rot away. Huw People are always saying to me, why don't I get rid of my landie and get something a bit cheaper and more comfortable to run, but at the end of the day you get what you pay for and there are no real bargains out there. I could have spent twice as much, and still end up with a heap of rust. My landie with a replacement engine is going to be around for some time yet, never mind there is always something that needs doing for the MOT. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes believe in the laws of mathematics" > >Not until I picked up a 1995-M Disco 300TDi!! Checked it out and all seemed > >well, FSH bit of rust but very minor, drove OK seemed a bargain at £2900. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What area are you in? A series 3 land rover perhaps ? any way at £2900 that Disco was surely too good to be true. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > Not until I picked up a 1995-M Disco 300TDi!! Checked it out and all seemed > well, FSH bit of rust but very minor, drove OK seemed a bargain at £2900. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > :-( > A series 3 land rover perhaps ? > > any way at £2900 that Disco was surely too good to be true. Landie parts are generally pretty cheap for the size and strength of the vehicle. Ask someone with a modern sporty type car how much for low profile tyres, or springs and shocks. Horrendous. TonyB > Not until I picked up a 1995-M Disco 300TDi!! Or my 2001-Y Disco II TD5 ES 7 seat. 29,000 miles previous use was a "chelsea tractor" in Newcastle. FSH from the dealer it was bought from, nothing major and reports of reliable and good runner from previous owner, who had traded it in, so had no reason to say anything but the truth. New wipers and the odd bulb. 1st recovery back to dealer as all it would do was bong 6 times and flash the odometer. I'd motored the drivers seat back and snagged a wire, which blew the power fuse to the body control unit. 1st service under my ownership, £1200... Re-gas the aircon, new rear hub (leaking), new rear brake pads (contaminated, both sides required of course), new gearbox seal, 36,000 mile service and MOT. 2nd recovery (2 stage, one to home, then to dealer) after the gearbox goes bang on the M6 with both kids on board, in the peeing rain more or less on the summit of Shap, stuck in 5th. New gearbox, report that clutch is on it's way out, Eh, they'd only just had the gearbox out to do the seal nothing mentioned then, so new clutch as well. 4th recovery due to leaking water in fuel sensor switch, weeing out with the engine running, a drip every 2s without. Lastly just put 4 new tyres on. Fortunately all of that apart from the wipers, bulbs, 1st service and tyres has all be paid for by the Land Rover Approved scheme. B-) It's been a few weeks since it was on the back of a recovery truck, so I'm wondering what will be next, probably Thursday this week as I've just picked up a 4 day commercials shoot starting Friday and it has a habit of breaking just when I *really* need it to work. Mind I have paid for another 3 yrs mechanical breakdown cover, on the basis that if it needs it just once in the next three years I'll get me monies worth and with its current track record... But even after that long tale of woe I wouldn't really want to get rid of it, it's nice to drive and comfortable, carries big loads with ease, goes anywhere and doesn't bat an eyelid at 12" of snow. It did get close when the gearbox went mind! I wonder if the shock of actually having to work for its diesel has been too much for it. Long motorway hauls, up and down hills, short local runs, compared to gentle city motoring... SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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