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uprated headlamps - a warning

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Austin Shackles - 23 Dec 2005 19:29 GMT
Just spent an hour or so fixing a friend's car.

someone previously had fitted 100/55W bulbs, as I found out when
investigating why the headlights had completely died, which is of course not
funny when driving in the dark.  At least they didn't do what mine did on
the 110, and go out when approaching a corner.

switchwork overheated, melted the connector.  Had to replace the connector
for the dipswitch and the switch unit, and of course fit proper-sized bulbs.

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TonyB - 23 Dec 2005 21:40 GMT
> someone previously had fitted 100/55W bulbs, as I found out when
> investigating why the headlights had completely died, which is of course not
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> switchwork overheated, melted the connector.  Had to replace the connector
> for the dipswitch and the switch unit, and of course fit proper-sized bulbs.

Thanks Austin.
As I've said before, the LR's appear to be the only vehicles that cannot
cope with off-road bulbs.....

TonyB
Paul S. Brown - 23 Dec 2005 21:45 GMT
>> someone previously had fitted 100/55W bulbs, as I found out when
>> investigating why the headlights had completely died, which is of course
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> As I've said before, the LR's appear to be the only vehicles that cannot
> cope with off-road bulbs.....

Which is why mine now has a set of relays with their own feed which use the
original headlamp wiring for the relay coil.

I'd actually recommend doing this as a matter of course - the light output
even with standard bulbs is quite a bit improved with this setup - the
resistance in the standard wiring must be phenomenal

P.
Steve - 23 Dec 2005 22:22 GMT
>> someone previously had fitted 100/55W bulbs, as I found out when
>> investigating why the headlights had completely died, which is of course
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> As I've said before, the LR's appear to be the only vehicles that cannot
> cope with off-road bulbs.....

Its what destroyed the panel loom on our ambi too.

Steve
Tom Woods - 23 Dec 2005 22:44 GMT
>>> someone previously had fitted 100/55W bulbs, as I found out when
>>> investigating why the headlights had completely died, which is of course
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Its what destroyed the panel loom on our ambi too.

I dont think i'd even entertain the thought of running anything more
than standard bulbs on the 101 original wiring.

I was going to rewire mine and fit new normal wattage halogens. as it
is its got the orignals in and I dont think theyre even getting the
full 12v as they are like candles!
Lee_D - 23 Dec 2005 23:59 GMT
Tom Woods <tomarse_@hotmail.com> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>> Its what destroyed the panel loom on our ambi too.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> is its got the orignals in and I dont think theyre even getting the
> full 12v as they are like candles!

If I understand the operators manual correctly then the wiring was installed
prior to any consideration for Eberspacher heaters. Therefore it's supposed
to get hot, tis the only thing that did in the GS's then they bunged the
Ambi bodies on and forgot to remove the electrical central heating.

;-)

Lee
Steve - 24 Dec 2005 18:34 GMT
>> Its what destroyed the panel loom on our ambi too.
>
> I dont think i'd even entertain the thought of running anything more
> than standard bulbs on the 101 original wiring.
It wasn't, I hasten to add, me guvnor. It WAS the reason Wendy only cost
me 2 grand, so I can't really complain. Bob has relays on his
headlights, courtesy of Mike Derrick, occasionally of this parish. Did a
 very neat job too.

When I rewire Wendy (oh, come the day), She'll be all relays.

Steve
Larry - 24 Dec 2005 08:28 GMT
Never herd of relays ?

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> Its what destroyed the panel loom on our ambi too.
>
> Steve
SteveG - 24 Dec 2005 14:09 GMT
> Never herd of relays ?

Is the collective noun for a group of relays really a herd?

<BCG>

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Steve - 24 Dec 2005 18:35 GMT
>> Never herd of relays ?
>
> Is the collective noun for a group of relays really a herd?
>
> <BCG>

No, its a <CLUNK>

Steve
Nige - 24 Dec 2005 19:48 GMT
> No, its a <CLUNK>
>
> Steve

Surely it's a 'click' a 'clunk' would be contactors!

Nige

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Derek - 25 Dec 2005 11:14 GMT
>> Never herd of relays ?
>
> Is the collective noun for a group of relays really a herd?
>
> <BCG>

I always thoght it was a Race- but I could be wrong  in which case blame
Grandstand
(cue music  http://tv.cream.org/specialassignments/themes/Grandstand.mp3 )
Derek

Merry Christmas and a mud plugging New Year
SpamTrapSeeSig - 28 Dec 2005 12:51 GMT
>> Never herd of relays ?
>
>Is the collective noun for a group of relays really a herd?

A chatter.

Regards,

Simonm.

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Austin Shackles - 23 Dec 2005 23:07 GMT
>> someone previously had fitted 100/55W bulbs, as I found out when
>> investigating why the headlights had completely died, which is of course
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>As I've said before, the LR's appear to be the only vehicles that cannot
>cope with off-road bulbs.....

this was a monetgo.  The *wiring* is massive fat stuff, but the switch
and/or connectors don't seem to have liked it.
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Derek - 23 Dec 2005 23:46 GMT
> Just spent an hour or so fixing a friend's car.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> for the dipswitch and the switch unit, and of course fit proper-sized
> bulbs.

pity he didn't read  alt fan landrover  headlight posts before he fitted
them then.It seems to come up about once a month, lucky really that the loom
didn't catch fire as well
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f31/110-headlight-26829.html
http://www.landyzone.co.uk/lz/f31/defender-head-lights-26143.html
Derek
Nige - 23 Dec 2005 23:51 GMT
> Just spent an hour or so fixing a friend's car.
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> connector for the dipswitch and the switch unit, and of course fit
> proper-sized bulbs.

Also illegal too. Better to fit some decent 'quality' lamps, no hike in wattage, just a better spectrum
of light. The Xenon +40% (same wattage) i fitted to the RRC have made a nice difference. I made sure
(after all the hullabaloo on here) that they didn't blind anyone

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Austin Shackles - 24 Dec 2005 18:45 GMT
>Also illegal too. Better to fit some decent 'quality' lamps, no hike in wattage, just a better spectrum
>of light. The Xenon +40% (same wattage) i fitted to the RRC have made a nice difference. I made sure
>(after all the hullabaloo on here) that they didn't blind anyone

I know that, and so does the owner, and so does the previous owner.  Chances
are the bulbs were fitted before that.  Do you check what bulbs are in the
headlamps when you buy a motor, if they're working well?

OK, I do, 'co I tend to have the expensive kind fitted at want to put 'em on
the new one, or more validly, not sell 'em with the old one.

but apart from that, I wouldn't check 'em unless there was a problem.

RAC bloke crosswired the sidelights to the dipped beam, and uprated the
relevant fuse, as a "get-you-home" fix.  Not entirely sure that was legit,
really.  The sidelight circuit and switchgear is designed to take 4
sidelights (or maybe 6 if it has double rear bulbs) and a passel of panel
lights, for a total of about 50 watts - adding another 100W to it is rather
a serious overload.  The journey home was quite a distance, I gather. Wonder
if the RAC would have admitted liability if it went on fire...
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Nige - 24 Dec 2005 19:50 GMT
>> Also illegal too. Better to fit some decent 'quality' lamps, no hike
>> in wattage, just a better spectrum of light. The Xenon +40% (same
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> bulbs are in the headlamps when you buy a motor, if they're working
> well?

No, would you hell as like matey! With any of LR meagre early headlamp offerings it would be, of course,
obvious had you driven by glow worm light before!!!
Alex - 24 Dec 2005 00:22 GMT
>Just spent an hour or so fixing a friend's car.
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>switchwork overheated, melted the connector.  Had to replace the connector
>for the dipswitch and the switch unit, and of course fit proper-sized bulbs.

That'll learn you to fit over-power headlamps without upgrading the
wiring and switchgear to cope. You're lucky it didn't catch fire.

Alex
Lee_D - 24 Dec 2005 00:35 GMT
Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about:

>> Just spent an hour or so fixing a friend's car.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Alex

Nah read the post... Austin's mates motor. Hence Austin very lucky.

Lee
Austin Shackles - 24 Dec 2005 18:48 GMT
>Alex <nospam.alex@cbmsys.co.uk> uttered summat worrerz funny about:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
>Nah read the post... Austin's mates motor. Hence Austin very lucky.

I tellyer one thing - having the lights all go out in the dark is a good one
for testing whether you were really looking where you were going... If so,
you have a mental picture of enough of the road ahead to stop without going
off it.

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something happened which unleashed the power of our imagination -
we learned to talk." Pink Floyd (1994)

Tom Woods - 25 Dec 2005 23:19 GMT
>>Nah read the post... Austin's mates motor. Hence Austin very lucky.
>
>I tellyer one thing - having the lights all go out in the dark is a good one
>for testing whether you were really looking where you were going... If so,
>you have a mental picture of enough of the road ahead to stop without going
>off it.

I wired up my series 2. On advice of a mate i put my sidelights and my
headlights on completely different circuits, fuses and switches and i
have the higher wattage indicator bulbs in my sidelights.
Means that if i loose my headlights then you can drive quite easily on
just the sidelights!. Its happened atleast once too (i think a dodgy
connector fell apart and i lost headlights)
Austin Shackles - 26 Dec 2005 15:02 GMT
>>>Nah read the post... Austin's mates motor. Hence Austin very lucky.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>just the sidelights!. Its happened atleast once too (i think a dodgy
>connector fell apart and i lost headlights)

makes sense.  what also makes sense is a dual-circuit sidelight - you don't
need the 21W bulbs when it's dark and the headlamps are on.  Best bet would
be to swap the sidelight units fro brake/tails with white glasses on, and
have the 21W ones for use in dim daylight conditions, and a changeover relay
triggered from the headlight circuit to put the 21W filaments off and 5W
ones on when you put the headlamps on.

Bit like the Swedes used to do.

21W lamps are good for daylight running lamps when its murky or pissing down
or something - better than the ultrabright dip beams every twonk wants to
use, usually in addition to foglamps, when it's not foggy.  

Front foglights have a single purpose: to enable you to reduce the glare
reflected from fog at night, and still be able to see a certain amount where
you're going.  To do this they need to be aimed properly and mounted low
down, principally so they're lower than your eye height.

There is a related problem with constant lighting, though: it tends to
result in drivers who only look for lights - but it looks like I'm
increasingly in the minority about this.  Mind you, constant lighting adds
to the fuel bills :-)

OK, here's my re-write of lighting regulations - and I now have some respect
for those who formulate these things:  this set only apply to single rigid
vehicles, not motorcycles and not long enough to need additional side marker
lamps... You can tell I'm bored...

Begins...

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All new vehicles to be fitted with the following illumination.  Vehicles
already extant to be made to comply where possible.  e.g. vehicles already
fitted with fog lamps should conform to switching requirements.  There will
be no requirement to modify vehicle bodywork in order to move lamps which
have previously been approved, nor to add daylight lamps where this would
require modification of the vehicle structure.

1) Obligatory lamps.
a) Switching.

 i) Lighting switch to have 3 positions, viz. Off, Head, Fog. [represented
in table 1)d) by O, H, F].  

 ii) An automatic switch to operate the brake lamps which operates in
conjunction with the brake pedal being depressed and remains off otherwise
[represented in table 1)d) by O or B].  

 iii) A switch to operate flashing direction indicators [represented in
table 1)d) by O, L, R].  

 iv) A switch to operate all direction indicators simultaneously ("Hazard
warning switch") [represented in table 1)d) by O, Z]

 v) A automatic switch to operate reversing lamps which operates in
conjunction with selection of reverse gear and remains off at all other
times [represented in table 1)d) by O, V].


b) Position and fitment of obligatory lamps

 i) Front position and daytime lamps.  
  a) Number - 2 front position, 2 daytime.
  b) Height - between 500 and 1200mm from ground level.  
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 200mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) Along vehicle - not more than 300 mm from the extreme front of the
vehicle
  e) Lamps to form symmetrical pairs.
  f) At least one of a pair of lamps to be clearly visible from the front
of the vehicle, in an arc covering the area from the front-rear centre line
of the vehicle to either side, as far as 90 degrees, measured from the lamp
position.
  g) Position and daytime lamps may be combined in one unit

 ii) Obligatory headlamps.
  a) Number - 2
  b) Height - between 500 and 1200mm from ground level
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 300mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) Along vehicle - not more than 300 mm from the extreme front of the
vehicle
  e) Lamps to form a symmetrical pair.
  f) Lamps to face forwards and be so aimed as not to dazzle other road
users.

 iii) Obligatory front fog lamps.
  a) Number - 2
  b) Height - not more than 500mm from ground level
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 300mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) Along vehicle - not more than 300 mm from the extreme front of the
vehicle
  e) Lamps to form a symmetrical pair.
  f) Lamps to face forwards and be so aimed as not to dazzle other road
users.

 iv) Combined rear position/fog lamps.
  a) Number - 2
  b) Height - between 500 and 1200mm from ground level.  
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 200mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) Along vehicle - not more than 300mm from the extreme rear of the
vehicle
  e) Lamps to form a symmetrical pair.
  f) At least one of a pair of lamps to be clearly visible from the rear of
the vehicle, in an arc covering the area from the front-rear centre line of
the vehicle to either side, as far as 90 degrees, measured from the lamp
position.

 v) Brake lamps
  a) Number - 2
  b) Height - between 500 and 1200mm from ground level.  
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 400mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) The centre of the lamps to be at least 100mm from the centre of the
combined rear position/fog lamp.
  e) Along vehicle - not more than 300mm from the extreme rear of the
vehicle
  f) Lamps to form a symmetrical pair.
  g) At least one of a pair of lamps to be clearly visible from the rear of
the vehicle, in an arc covering the area from the front-rear centre line of
the vehicle to either side, as far as 60 degrees, measured from the lamp
position.

 vi) Front direction indicator lamps
  a) Number - 2
  b) Height - between 500 and 1200mm from ground level.  
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 200mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) Along vehicle - not more than 300 mm from the extreme front of the
vehicle
  e) Lamps to form a symmetrical pair.
  f) At least one of a pair of lamps to be clearly visible from the front
of the vehicle, in an arc covering the area from the front-rear centre line
of the vehicle to either side, as far as 120 degrees, measured from the lamp
position, unless side repeater lamps are fitted

 vii) Rear direction indicator lamps
  a) Number - 2
  b) Height - between 500 and 1200mm from ground level.  
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 200mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) Along vehicle - not more than 300 mm from the extreme rear of the
vehicle
  e) Lamps to form a symmetrical pair.
  f) At least one of a pair of lamps to be clearly visible from the rear of
the vehicle, in an arc covering the area from the front-rear centre line of
the vehicle to either side, as far as 120 degrees, measured from the lamp
position, unless side repeater lamps are fitted

 viii) Side repeater direction indicator lamps.
  Where either the front or rear direction indicator lamps do not conform
to the required angle of visibility as specified in 1)b)vi)f) or 1)b)vii)f),
an additional indicator lamp shall be fitted to the side of the vehicle,
such that it is visible in an arc of 160 degrees to the side of the vehicle,
radiating from the lamp position.

 ix) Reversing lamps.
  a) Number - 2
  b) Height - between 500 and 1200mm from ground level.  
  c) Across vehicle - not more than 400mm from the extreme edge of the
vehicle, not counting moveable items such as wing mirrors.
  d) Along vehicle - not more than 300mm from the extreme rear of the
vehicle
  e) Lamps to form a symmetrical pair.

c) Table - Obligatory lamps: wattage (light output) and colour

lamp        minimum    maximum colour
        output*    output*       

front position    5W    7W     white   

front daytime    18W    24W    white

dipped beam     40W    55W    white

front fog    40W    55W    white or yellow

rear position    5W    7W    red

rear fog    18W    24W    red

brake        18W    24W    red

direction    18W    24W    amber
indicator

side repeater    5W    7W    amber

reversing    18W    24W    white

d) Table - obligatory lamps: operating conditions

lamp            engine    light    lamp    comment
            running    switch    alight
                   
front position        no    O    no
            yes    O    no
            no    H or F    yes    parking
            yes    H or F    yes    in case of main lamp failure

front daytime        no    O    no
            yes    O    yes
            no    H or F    no
            yes    H or F    no

headlamp        no    O    no
(dipped beam)        yes    O    no
            no    H or F    no    no headlamp when parked
            yes    H    yes
            yes    F    no    can't have dip and fog
                        simultaneously

front fog         no    O    no
            yes    O    no
            no    H or F    no    no fog lamp when parked
            yes    H    no    can't have fog and dip
                        simultaneously
            yes    F    yes

rear combined        no    O    no
position        yes    O    yes    rear daytime
component        no    H or F    yes    parking
            yes     H or F    yes

rear combined        no    O    no
fog component        yes    O    no   
            no    H or F    no
            yes    H    no   
            yes    F    yes

brake             no    O    no
            no    B    yes    brake lamps always work   
            yes    O    no
            yes    B    yes

near-side direction     no    O    no
indicator        no    R    no   
            no    L    yes    indicators always work
            yes    O    no
            yes    R    no
            yes    L    yes

off-side direction     no    O    no
indicator        no    R    yes    indicators always work   
            no    L    no   
            yes    O    no
            yes    R    yes
            yes    L    no

all direction         no    O    no
indicators        no    Z    yes
(hazard lights)        yes    O    no
            yes    Z    yes

reversing lamps        no    O    no
            no    V    no
            yes    O    no
            yes    V    yes       

2) Optional lamps
The following optional lamps may be fitted.  No other optional lamps are
allowed.
a) Optional position lamps.

 i) Switching - optional position lamps may be switched independently in
any manner that produces a symmetrical light pattern.

 ii) Front position lamps - up to 8 may be fitted, of not more than 7W
output* each.  Lamps should form a symmetrical pattern and must not emit a
red light.  

 iii) Rear position lamps - up to 8 may be fitted, of not more than 7W
output* each.  Lamps should form a symmetrical pattern and must emit a red
light.

b) Optional headlamps.

 i) switching
  a) All optional headlamps must be capable of being switched off
simultaneously by a single switch ("dipswitch").
  b) individual optional headlamps may be switched on or off provided that
this switching does not interfere with requirement 2)b)ii)a)

 ii) Number - up to 8

 iii) Fitment - light must be aimed forwards and must not show a white
light to the rear of the vehicle

 iv) Output - not more than 60W per lamp.

 v) One pair of optional headlamps are permitted to turn in the same
direction, but not necessarily by the same amount, as the steering wheels of
the vehicle, provided that this does not conflict with requirement 2)b)iii).

c) Optional Brake lamps

 i) switching - Optional brake lights must be switched so as to operate in
conjunction with the obligatory brake lamps.

 ii) Number - up to 2

 iii) Fitment
  a) lamps must be fitted facing to the rear
  b) lamps must emit a red light
  c) lamps must not exceed 24W output
  d) lamps must be fitted in a symmetrical pattern.

d) Optional rear indicators
 i) switching - optional indicators must be switched so as to operate in
conjunction with the appropriate obligatory indicator.
 ii) Number - 2
 iii) Fitment
  a) lamps must be fitted facing to the rear
  b) lamps must emit a red light
  c) lamps must not exceed 24W output
  d) lamps must be fitted in a symmetrical pattern.

e) Worklights - any lamp which emits a light not approved in regulations 1)
and 2)a) - d).
 i) Switching - all worklights should ideally be incapable of being
illuminated while the vehicle is in motion.  In any case, a prominent
warning lamp or telltale shall be fitted to indicate that any workight is
illuminated.
 ii) worklights should as far as possible be fitted so as to minimise
inconvenience to other road users.
 iii) save subject to 2)e)iv), it shall be an offence to use a vehicle such
that worklights are illuminated while the vehicle is in motion.
 iv) exceptions
  e) The following vehicles shall be allowed to operate with worklights
illuminated while in motion where the use of said lights is essential to the
safe or proper operation of the vehicle:
   i) emergency vehicles.
   ii) vehicles engaged in road maintenance during the hours of darkness.
   iii) vehicles engaged in the recovery of broken down vehicles during the
hours of darkness.

* output means the light output from a standard incandescent bulb of the
specified wattage or equivalent light intensity from other types of light
source.

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Alan Morris - 03 Jan 2006 01:08 GMT
"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message

> Begins...
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> All new vehicles to be fitted with the following illumination.  Vehicles
......
> source.
>
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> ends.

Is the original available on the web Austin?

Alan Morris.
Austin Shackles - 03 Jan 2006 09:54 GMT
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>
>Is the original available on the web Austin?

I guess it could be... It's not, 'cos I invented it and typed it into the
news client.  I did think I should save it, though...

for the avoidance of any doubt, that is NOT a set of current lighting
regulations, it's what *I* think they should say.

I do have the current UK lighting regulations available somewhere.
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Austin Shackles - 03 Jan 2006 10:39 GMT
>"Austin Shackles" <austinNOSPAM@ddol-las.net> wrote in message
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>Is the original available on the web Austin?

it really ought to have a diagram for the visibility angles, but I though
that was beyond the scope of usenet news and ascii-art.

Hmm.  foolishly, I decided to cut and paste into Word.  I hate using Word.
I'll invent some drawings for lamp visibility and add them to it, then PDF
it.  Might send it to the Powers That Be... :-)
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Alan Morris - 04 Jan 2006 01:11 GMT
> >Is the original available on the web Austin?
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> I'll invent some drawings for lamp visibility and add them to it, then PDF
> it.  Might send it to the Powers That Be... :-)

I agree on Word.  I never use it to produce documents.  I'd like a copy of
that PDF.  Tried to e-mail you, but all 3 personal links on your website
were broken when I tried.

Alan Morris
Austin Shackles - 05 Jan 2006 10:08 GMT
>> >Is the original available on the web Austin?
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>that PDF.  Tried to e-mail you, but all 3 personal links on your website
>were broken when I tried.

ah, could be.  replying to news messages works but is prone to delays
whereas leaving out the obvious gets it to my normal mailbox which gets
checked more often.

the website got moved, and not all the files have been sorted yet - 's only
been about a year...

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Austin Shackles - 05 Jan 2006 10:11 GMT
>> >Is the original available on the web Austin?
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>that PDF.  Tried to e-mail you, but all 3 personal links on your website
>were broken when I tried.

I'll keep you posted.  I'll invent some diagrams soon.

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Austin Shackles - 24 Dec 2005 18:47 GMT
>>Just spent an hour or so fixing a friend's car.
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>That'll learn you to fit over-power headlamps without upgrading the
>wiring and switchgear to cope. You're lucky it didn't catch fire.

read the post properly, yerbugger.

on the 110, I didn't have over-powered bulbs.  The switch just died.  it's
possible it had been abused in the past though.
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SpamTrapSeeSig - 28 Dec 2005 13:01 GMT
>on the 110, I didn't have over-powered bulbs.  The switch just died.  it's
>possible it had been abused in the past though.

Joseph Lucas, Prince of Darkness? Landy switches are not very nice.

I had the obligatory hazard flasher switch replacement to do t'other
day. Got one (ostensibly new) off eBay. It certainly looked new (no
oxidation nor wear on the pins and in a sealed bag), but it
disintegrated when I tried to fit it - one of the nastiest bits of
mechanical design I've seen in a long time. I managed to cannibalize new
and old to get one good one, but I'll be swapping to toggle switches and
relays as soon as I get time. Hang the look of the thing - it needs to
WORK properly...

Regards,

Simonm.

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