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Car Forum / Land Rover Cars / January 2006Thoughts on numberplate recognition
I have been wondering how the software works, I presume it scans the area of the front and rear of the vehicle looking for something close enough to the accepted font to read it. Supposing one had more than one plate, now the second plate need not be a false numberplate, just something obvios enough to plod to be a sign or show plate but using the accepted font, how would the software react ? The law with regard to plates seems to be a bit of an a.s anyway, so far as I know it is not illegal to buy plates abroad without producing a V5C and whilst it might technically be an offence to fit them as new plates, if I am going for the historic look who is going to tell they are not originals, or care, so long as the numbers are legible and close enough.  SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > I have been wondering how the software works, I presume it scans the area of > the front and rear of the vehicle looking for something close enough to the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Larry > Series 3 rust and holes For my sins I worked on the London congestion charging systems at a high technical level working on all aspects of the system , I can tell you how to piss them off big time ! . Automatic number plate recognition systems work by looking for a readable set of text , this can be on full motion video or stills, normally the system will read the plate and store around 2 to 3 seconds of images either side of this for context information to stop any argument , As for having a second plate with other text on , firstly this is not illegal ! , just think of things like lorries with name plates , on tow plates etc . when the congestion charge first started people had number plates made up with fu k3n ( fu ken ) and displayed them , the system did pick them up as well as a number of taxi plates football top names etc so how are they sorted ? If the system gets a readable match it checks the read against a black list (fu k3n , on tow ,taxi etc ) if it is not found on the list it is checked with DVLA for conformation that the plate exists if this come back ok it will store the images and data . For non reads , no match or multiple matches , it is marked as unreadable and past for human inspection VRM plates do have a legal requirement as we all know and a v5 is now required But you can make any type of sign ! >VRM plates do have a legal requirement as we all know and a v5 is now >required >But you can make any type of sign ! But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? SignatureMark Roberts > But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply > with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? Is it even possible to buy plates abroad that are marked as complying with the legal requirements? SignatureDarren Griffin PocketGPSWorld - www.PocketGPSWorld.com The Premier GPS Resource for News, Reviews and Forums > Is it even possible to buy plates abroad that are marked as complying with > the legal requirements? Not that I know of, although I did see someone [in France] with a UK registration mark made up on the French style plate (embossed metal type) fitted on their trailer. It didn't look too dissimilar, but I somehow doubt it is legal in the UK. Matt The point is not whether it is legal or not but whether without raiding ones home for reciepts and accessing ones bank account, it would be practically impossible to prove or even detect for an older vehicle so long as the plates did not look shiny shiny new. My present plates, acrylic thought they be are not up to modern spec I would think, cos they likely don't have the manufacturer on em. SignatureþT L'autisme c'est moi "Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not believe in the laws of mathematics" Larry > Not that I know of, although I did see someone [in France] with a UK > registration mark made up on the French style plate (embossed metal > type) fitted on their trailer. It didn't look too dissimilar, but I > somehow doubt it is legal in the UK. > > Matt Yes SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > Is it even possible to buy plates abroad that are marked as complying with > the legal requirements? >But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply >with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? IIRC, UK plates must have the postcode of the shop/dealer they were issued from to be legal. Whether you think you might be stopped just because a copper can't see a tiny postcode on your plate remains to be seen. Mine are from Halford's, and the postcode is barely visible even looking at the plate from 12" away, being sorta embedded in the plastic. Still, they're legal. How many million miles you could drive on average before being stopped is a matter for conjecture. DaveP Only if they are renewed, this is not a requirement of existing plates, my point is who would either ever tell or be that pedantic to bother, it is like getting a ruler out and measuring the font. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > >But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply > >with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > DaveP > my > point is who would either ever tell or be that pedantic to bother, it is > like getting a ruler out and measuring the font. I wouldn't put it past the Police to do that! Matt. >> my >> point is who would either ever tell or be that pedantic to bother, it is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Matt. ... but could they be trusted to report correctly on their findings? >>But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply >>with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >plastic. Still, they're legal. How many million miles you could drive >on average before being stopped is a matter for conjecture. More insanity. I take it the law is there to stop people from putting false or defective plates on their car. Bloody typical that you could be nicked for having proper plates on your own car because the plates lack a postcode. SignatureMark Roberts >>But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply >>with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >DaveP yeah, but the ones for sale at shows never come with the postcode stamped on them, and you don't need your V5, proof of address, and great great grandparents with you to prove who you are! SignatureSimon Isaacs Peterborough 4x4 Club Newsletter Editor and Webmaster Green Lane Association (GLASS) Financial Director 101 Ambi, undergoing camper conversion www.simoni.co.uk 1976 S3 LWT, Fully restored, ready for sale! Make me an offer! Suzuki SJ410 (Wife's) 3" lift kit fitted, body shell now restored and mounted on chassis, waiting on a windscreen and MOT Series 3 88" Rolling chassis...what to do next 1993 200 TDi Discovery 1994 200 TDi Discovery body sheel, being bobbed and modded..... >>>But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply >>>with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > stamped on them, and you don't need your V5, proof of address, and > great great grandparents with you to prove who you are! Watch this space - that's not quite what Tony seems to think! >>>But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply >>>with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >stamped on them, and you don't need your V5, proof of address, and >great great grandparents with you to prove who you are! ah, but they're "show plates, not for road use" meanwhile... the regulations about postcode apply to new plates issued after 2001. They also apply to new plates put on older vehicles. but if you replace the plates on an older vehicle and use traditional ones, you simply claim that it was done prior to 2001. SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that Too Busy: Your mind is like a motorway. Sometimes it can be jammed by too much traffic. Avoid the jams by never using your mind on a Bank Holiday weekend. from the Little Book of Complete B***ocks by Alistair Beaton. >But what is exactly wrong with buying plates from abroad (that comply >with the legal requirements) and fitting them to your car? IIRC, UK plates must have the postcode of the shop/dealer they were issued from to be legal. Whether you think you might be stopped just because a copper can't see a tiny postcode on your plate remains to be seen. Mine are from Halford's, and the postcode is barely visible even looking at the plate from 12" away, being sorta embedded in the plastic. Still, they're legal. How many million miles you could drive on average before being stopped is a matter for conjecture. DaveP > For my sins I worked on the London congestion charging systems at a > high technical level working on all aspects of the system , I can tell > you how to piss them off big time ! . <cut> > For non reads , no match or multiple matches , it is marked as > unreadable and past for human inspection So this means you can't piss them off because it will be marked for human inspection? Kind regards, Erik-Jan. >> For my sins I worked on the London congestion charging systems at a >> high technical level working on all aspects of the system , I can tell [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Kind regards, > Erik-Jan. What's the regs on displaying 2 valid numberplates - possibly for the same class of car - you're technically displaying the valid one, just also displaying a spoiler too :) P. >What's the regs on displaying 2 valid numberplates - possibly for the same >class of car - you're technically displaying the valid one, just also >displaying a spoiler too :) yer not allowed to obscure the number plate though. everyone ought to find out what red Ken's number plate is and use that... SignatureAustin Shackles. www.ddol-las.net my opinions are just that "'Tis a mad world, my masters" John Taylor (1580-1633) Western Voyage, 1 >> What's the regs on displaying 2 valid numberplates - possibly for the >> same class of car - you're technically displaying the valid one, just >> also displaying a spoiler too :) > > yer not allowed to obscure the number plate though. That wasn't suggested just have two plates, both valid for that make/model/colour of vehicle. Make the "false" one more prominent that the other and you may well be able to force the system to read that one more often than the real one... Mind you displaying to different but real looking two plates is probably a very good nick nick attractor. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail the flash /pusle bright light dosent work , as most are now video Far be it from me to suggest some thing illegal or a way of circumventing the system , but it would be interesting to see what the law says on driving a 'restored ' military land rover displaying its mod plates ............ read my original post and think about it ! ( i know it works ) But the microwaves would. and also a sufficiently bright light in the background is going to cause it to overexpose, have you ever tried taking pictures against the light ? SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes except to someone who does not believe in the laws of mathematics" > the flash /pusle bright light dosent work , as most are now video > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > its mod plates ............ read my original post and think about it ! > ( i know it works ) Well I am going to do a bit more thinking but I reckon there might still be a way :) I would reckon that in reality applying game thery and probabilities you are going to get away most of the time unless they are actually looking for you in particular. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > So this means you can't piss them off because it will be marked for > human inspection? > Kind regards, > Erik-Jan. >> For non reads , no match or multiple matches , it is marked as >> unreadable and past for human inspection > > So this means you can't piss them off because it will be marked for > human inspection? No but that takes time and someones wages. I doubt that all non reads etc actually get looked at by a human, within the timescale required to send out the fine, only a sample. If you regularly use the "trick" then they'll start looking for you(*) but once in a blue moon... (*) No doubt the system can also make a pretty damn good stab at vehicle recognition as a well. Number plates alone do not in anyway identify the vehicle, you need the make, model and colour as well. It's all well and good insisting that the plate makers postcode is in 6pt moulding in the plates but that isn't going to stop back street Johny making up plates for his dubious mates. As has already been said who is going to routinely the check that ABC Motors CF4 2GB actually exists? Totally useless legislation but dangerously giving a sense of security. SignatureCheers new5pam@howhill.com Dave. pam is missing e-mail H'mm let me suppose I had a very powerful strobe mounted on my roof, If I kept flashing that every time I passed a camera they would never know I existed at all, As they used to say beware the hun in the sun. SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > For my sins I worked on the London congestion charging systems at a > high technical level working on all aspects of the system , I can tell [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > required > But you can make any type of sign ! > H'mm let me suppose I had a very powerful strobe mounted on my roof, > If I kept flashing that every time I passed a camera they would > never know I existed at all, You'd have to make one that came on for the whole time the camera was on you rather than flashing otherwise there's a good chance it would catch you between flashes as the strobe will spend far more time off than on. SignatureBlast off and strike the evil Bydo empire! Have to be a suitably high frequency then either that or a microwave burst that burns up the electronics and renders it FUBAR (chainsaw would do just as well but more conspicuous) SignatureLarry Series 3 rust and holes > You'd have to make one that came on for the whole time the > camera was on you rather than flashing otherwise there's a good chance > it would catch you between flashes as the strobe will spend far more > time off than on. |
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