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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / February 2005Does Lexus pick your car up from home for service?
The dealer claimed that they will do that for free, and give you a service loaner at your house. Anyone ever use this service, and what did you (or would you) tip the guy dropping off the car? >The dealer claimed that they will do that for free, and give you a service >loaner at your house. >Anyone ever use this service, and what did you (or would you) tip the guy >dropping off the car? You may tip the porter any amount you choose. My point being is that the porter is not expecting a tip and will not be upset w/you if you do not tip. However, tipping the porter is customary and of course the polite thing to do. Bear in mind they are already being paid by the hour by the dealership. As for judging "how much" I would say $20 bux. The service loaner is customarily available only to new purchasers. This is not a universal restriction, but is the most common. They're never tell you, "no." They'll merely apologize and tell you that all their loaners are already in use. Loaners are usually not available for body shop work unless it's a warranty repair. Your car insurance should cover the rental car for accident repair. > The service loaner is customarily available only to new purchasers. This is meaningless. It doesn't say anything. What determines who gets a service loaner and who doesn't? > > The service loaner is customarily available only to new purchasers. > > This is meaningless. It doesn't say anything. Sure it does. You just don't understand the point. > What determines who gets a service loaner and who doesn't? The dealer who sold you the car will pick up and deliver your car whenever you need service, routine or otherwise, and will drop off a free loaner. This special service is ONLY available from the dealer that you bought the car from. Got it now, Mr. Nasty? But it isn't free in that you say one should pay the driver $20 for this? > > > The service loaner is customarily available only to new purchasers. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Got it now, Mr. Nasty? > But it isn't free in that you say one should pay the driver $20 for this? Two points you missed: 1. I never said anything about that. 2. Another poster (New Owner) said that, although the driver "is not expecting a tip and will not be upset w/you if you do not tip", he likes to tip. >But it isn't free in that you say one should pay the driver $20 for this? It's simply a matter of courtesy. It's a gratuity, same as you'd tip your barber/stylist or the kid who delivers your pizza or the valet parking attendant or the waiter in a fine restaurant. However, understand that your fine new Lexus automobile is just a bit more than a pizza. Do as you wish, God knows the world is full of cheapskates and tightwads who make their living cheating others. You may think it's funny, except when you look around you're the only one laughing. In case you still haven't figured it out, people aren't impressed by stinginess and lose respect for you because you never once fail to demonstrate that you are a complete a.shole who has no respect for others nor the things others do for you. Yes, damnit, the guy or gal who brings the loaner to you and picks up your car *is* being paid by his/her employer, but that shouldn't mean that you can't show a little appreciation. At least he/she has a job and isn't begging for handouts. A $20 gratuity is absolutely fair and reasonable. If it was me delivering your car back to a tightass like you I'd make sure I farted in it, hauled some of my hoodlum friends around in it, screwed my girlfriend in the back seat and hot-rodded the piss out of it. Stupid sonuvabitches like you shouldn't be allowed to have fine things. "A $20 gratuity is absolutely fair and reasonable." My god, where are you from? Did you inherit all of your money? Let me tell you, its your money, but I absolutely will not give out that amount. Call me whatever you want to call. >"A $20 gratuity is absolutely fair and reasonable." >My god, where are you from? Did you inherit all of your money? Let me >tell you, its your money, but I absolutely will not give out that >amount. Call me whatever you want to call. I was about to say you must be Jewish, but come to think of it all of my Jewish friends are fair tippers. I never inherited a penny, nor am I in line to. I get up at 4AM five days a week and work for a living. I know the value of a dollar. But I am also humble and like to show a *reasonable* token of my appreciation when anyone does a personal service for me. With gasoline close to $2/gallon it doesn't bother me to tip the pizza kid $5, after all it's his car, his gas and his insurance. Once again, he HAS a job. He could be out selling dope on a street corner. Encourage the kid! I also tip waiters & waitresses 15% of the cost of the meal unless the service is poor, in which case I leave them a dime. That's to let them know that the service was poor rather than leave them with the mistaken impression that I didn't forget to tip. Let me guess, you're not a church-goer or if you are you probably don't tithe or put anything in the collection basket. You probably also don't contribute to the Red Cross or The United Way, or The American Humane Assn., but cheat on your taxes. Is it really going to gnaw at every fiber of your being for giving the porter a lousy 20 bux? It isn't 1960 anymore. The problem today in our world is a lot of people got paid disproportionally to what they really worth. A lousy 20 bux? I feel so freightened! >The problem today in our world is a lot of people got paid >disproportionally to what they really worth. A lousy 20 bux? I feel so >freightened! The point I was trying to make is that if you cannot afford to tip someone an appropriate amount, how in creation did you ever manage to buy a Lexus? Of course maybe I'm assuming facts not in evidence. Let's ask, do you even own a Lexus or are you just posting in the Lexus newsgroup as a troll? ""The point I was trying to make is that if you cannot afford to tip someone an appropriate amount, how in creation did you ever manage to buy a Lexus? Of course maybe I'm assuming facts not in evidence. Let's ask, do you even own a Lexus or are you just posting in the Lexus newsgroup as a troll?"" You really crack me up. I see, kid, you are so proud to be a lexus owner. Great. Congratulations. You finally catch up. Lexus has been around since 1989 in the USA. In my honest opinion, any person who need to wake up at 4:00 am to work, does not deserve driving a car such as Lexus- no matter who is actually paying for the car you are driving. If you need to be an early bird all the time to make a living, and at the same time feel so obligated to tip a guy with a $20 bill, do think about it maybe twice. Can "afford" or not really depends on your own definition. Enjoy. You are your own boss. So, is this still a "troll", Kid? >Can "afford" or not really depends on your own definition. >Enjoy. You are your own boss. So, is this still a "troll", Kid? Well, you're right about one thing, I am my own boss. Today I have my own business and subscribe to the theory that no one gives a sh.t more about my business than me, so I put forth the extra effort. By the way, the Lexus is my wife's car. She is a homemaker who raised our children and who I'm proud to say was always there at home for the kids when they were growing up. Today she contributes her time by doing volunteer work at one of the area hospitals. A 15% tip on a meal is a lousy tip from where I am from, Mr Anti-Semite Big Tipper! 20% is standard-- more if better service-- and I am not talking about cheapo places- The average dinner bill for 2 where I am is $100-120. So I am absolutely not averse to tipping-- But I think it is ridiculous to tip $20 for a delivery that is free- > I was about to say you must be Jewish, but come to think of it all of my > Jewish friends are fair tippers. I never inherited a penny, nor am I in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Is it really going to gnaw at every fiber of your being for giving the > porter a lousy 20 bux? It isn't 1960 anymore. > Let me guess, you're not a church-goer or if you are you probably don't > tithe or put anything in the collection basket. You probably also don't > contribute to the Red Cross or The United Way, or The American Humane > Assn., but cheat on your taxes. Exactly. I only give my money to National Audubon Society, World Wildlife Foundation, and Sierra Club. There is no reason to help those who have more than 2 kids in a family while the parents can not even feed themselves. I guess you give a lot money to the Sourth Asia Tsunami Relief Fund, so they can cut more trees and totally eliminates the wildlife over there. > >"A $20 gratuity is absolutely fair and reasonable." > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to let them know that the service was poor rather than leave them with the > mistaken impression that I didn't forget to tip. $5 is okay for a pizza guy, 15% is a little light, should be 20%. Leaving a dime is cheap, even for bad service, 5-7% for bad service. $10 bucks for a porter is adequate, better yet drive the car in and get the loaner yourself. BTW, the battery on my wife's Lexus ran down overnight, the dealer send a tech with a new battery and installed it free. My wife tried to tip him and he refused the tip. I believe he said it was against the dealer's rules. > Let me guess, you're not a church-goer or if you are you probably don't > tithe or put anything in the collection basket. You probably also don't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Is it really going to gnaw at every fiber of your being for giving the > porter a lousy 20 bux? It isn't 1960 anymore. > >But it isn't free in that you say one should pay the driver $20 for this? > > It's simply a matter of courtesy. It's a gratuity, same as you'd tip your > barber/stylist or the kid who delivers your pizza or the valet parking > attendant or the waiter in a fine restaurant. Do you tip your copier service guy? Why not? Go argue with yourself, you nasty bastard. > > >But it isn't free in that you say one should pay the driver $20 for this? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Do you tip your copier service guy? Why not? > Go argue with yourself, you nasty bastard. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Do you tip your copier service guy? Why not? Oh, you're a top poster. I asked a simple question. By your rude response, my guess is that you don't tip your copier service guy, for example. But you can't explain why. And you can't explain why the copier service guy, for example, is any different than the guy who picks up and drops off your Lexus. They both get paid a wage, and they're both performing a service. But you insist on tipping the guy who picks up and drops off your car, while you insist on NOT tipping the other guy. Hypocrite. > > Go argue with yourself, you nasty bastard. > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Hypocrite. I hope you are enjoying arguing with yourself. Please leave the rest of us out of it, thank you very much. BTW, I never commented on the wisdom of tipping anyone. Can you say "reading comprehension?" > BTW, I never commented on the wisdom of tipping anyone. > Can you say "reading comprehension?" Hey, Mr. Nasty. No comment on this? Funny, you seem to want to comment about every other "hypocrisy?" > > BTW, I never commented on the wisdom of tipping anyone. > > Can you say "reading comprehension?" > > Hey, Mr. Nasty. No comment on this? > > Funny, you seem to want to comment about every other "hypocrisy?" wtf are you talking about > > > BTW, I never commented on the wisdom of tipping anyone. > > > Can you say "reading comprehension?" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > wtf are you talking about There's that reading comprehension thing again. Whoosh!!! >I asked a simple question. By your rude response, my guess is that you >don't tip your copier service guy, for example. >But you can't explain why. For one thing the copier service guy drives a company-furnished vehicle and is making -A LOT- more than minimum wage or entry-level pay. This isn't his first day on the job either; he's been trained (at someone's expense) and has learned a technical skill. For this he has attained a considerably better position on the ladder of life. He's probably not still living at home. He doesn't need the tip money as much as someone on one of the lower rungs. He's also not providing a "direct personal service" to me. Tips are only for direct personal services, i.e., a haircut, massage, etc. By the way, I also give our home mailman and trash collectors a small "token of appreciation" at Christmas time each year. If you must know, the mailman gets $25 and the 3 trash truck guys get $10 apiece. It really costs so very little to be kind to others and I know the small investment pays back dividends many times over. Back to the Lexus, in my own case I know for a fact that the porters at my Lexus dealer are all working in the lowest-paid ground-floor, entry-level positions, making scarcely above minimum wage and 1 of them in fact is a student, going to night school. Is a $20 tip out of line? Hardly. As far as tipping waiters and waitresses, no, the standard is not 20%, it's 15. Look at the bottom of the ticket. In many restaurants it still says "a gratuity of 15% will be added for all parties of 6 or more". A tip of 20% might me appropriate for excellent & very attentive service, but the standard remains 15. I never give less than 15% unless it's really poor service, in which case I leave a dime for the reason aforementioned. I have also on occasion left 20%, but only on those rare cases where the service was truly exceptional and noteworthy. No one automatically gets 20% unless they've gone the extra mile. The "20% rule" that you or someone mentioned is in fact a ruse that's promulgated by the food service workers themselves, not their employers and certainly not in any "rules for tipping" handbook that I've ever seen. > >I asked a simple question. By your rude response, my guess is that you > >don't tip your copier service guy, for example. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > For one thing the copier service guy drives a company-furnished vehicle > and is making -A LOT- more than minimum wage or entry-level pay. What the hell does his pay have to do with anything? First off, you don't know what his pay is. Secondly, he's still performing a service that's valuable to you, and doing so in a personal manner. Thirdly, the Lexus lot boy is ALSO driving company-furnished vehicles to do the job. Actually, he's driving QUITE NICE company-furnished vehicles, much nicer than the copier service guy, no doubt. > This > isn't his first day on the job either; he's been trained (at someone's > expense) and has learned a technical skill. For this he has attained a > considerably better position on the ladder of life. Ah. So you think it's the world's obligation to tip the Lexus lot boy simply because he's lower on the ladder of life than others, eh? You're assuming that the Lexus lot boy is making a living, a career, out of shuttling cars back and forth. You never assume that it's just a transient position for most if not all people. Let's get back to that ladder of life thing again. Do you know for a fact how much either position pays? I think you're under a serious misconception of how much the copier service guy makes. I wouldn't be surprised if he made only $20K/year in some instances. And he's still doing you a personal service. > He doesn't need the tip money Ah. So now YOU'RE deciding who NEEDS money. YOU'RE the arbiter of funds. If this were a socialist world, you'd be happy. > By the way, I also give our home mailman and trash collectors a small > "token of appreciation" at Christmas time each year. If you must know, the > mailman gets $25 Which he's not allowed to take, by law. You're jeopardizing his job. > and the 3 trash truck guys get $10 apiece. Cheapskate. Why, if the mailman gets $25, don't the trash guys each get the same $25? Oh, I see--you've decided that the trash guys aren't as worthy, individually, as the mailman. YOU'VE decided to place a value on one service over another. Face it: you'd be harder up if your trash didn't get removed than if your mail didn't get delivered. But you decided you can't afford, or don't want to afford, to pay THEM $25 each the same as you pay the mailman. And quite frankly, using your "ladder of life" concept, the trash guys should get MORE than the mailman--MUCH more. In fact, the mailman makes more money than the copier service guy does, I can guarantee that. And he drives a company-provided vehicle. So tell us again why you don't tip the copier service repair guy? Oh, it's because you're CHEAP. And why Christmas? Why not randomly throughout the year? Because you're a cheapskate, that's why. > It really costs so very little to be kind to others and I know the small > investment pays back dividends many times over. And this DOESN'T apply to the copier repair guy? Cheapskate. > Back to the Lexus, in my own case I know for a fact that the porters at my > Lexus dealer are all working in the lowest-paid ground-floor, entry-level > positions, making scarcely above minimum wage and 1 of them in fact is a > student, going to night school. Is a $20 tip out of line? Hardly. If a $20 tip isn't out of line for a personal service, then it's not out of line for a personal service--no matter who's providing the personal service or what personal service that is. How do you know you don't have some slacker silver-spoon rich kid running Lexuses around town? Maybe you've just tipped the owner's kid $20; did HE need it? There are a lot of low-wage positions in the world. Frankly, they're supposed to be stepping stones, not permanent living quarters. Face it: you're trying to rationalize behavior that can't be rationalized. You're extremely inconsistent with nothing to back up that inconsistency. Some low wage people you tip, others you don't--or as much. Some low-wage people that you tip need it a WHOLE LOT LESS than other service people you don't tip. Think about that next time the guy fixes your copier. Think about the fact that he's making not much more than the lot boy, and probably has a family he's struggling to provide for. Then explain to yourself why you're not tipping him. The same goes for everyone else in a service-based position. How about the cashier at the Lexus dealer? Or the service writer? Those aren't highly paid positions. Cheapskate. And think about how you're putting your mailman in jeopardy the next time you tip him. And think about doing it at some randome time of the year, instead of Christmas where you feel "obligated" by the "feel-good" time of year. And for God's sake, quit thinking that the trash men--individually--are any less worthy than the mailman. If anything, they're MORE worthy. They make a BUNCH less money. Cheapskate. You know Mr. Shagnasty, there is a divine difference between you and me. You can kiss my entire a.s and I can't. > You know Mr. Shagnasty, there is a divine difference between you and me. > You can kiss my entire a.s > and I can't. Bear it, big boy. You're a loser, and you're so aware of it that this is all you can come up with? Enough, you two! This was supposed to be a discussion on whether or not the Lexus dealer provides loaner cars and/or pick up service. Not about the philosophical differences between you two regarding tips, etc. The ad homonym attacks have no place here. >>You know Mr. Shagnasty, there is a divine difference between you and me. >>You can kiss my entire a.s [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You're a loser, and you're so aware of it that this is all you can come > up with? Thank you! I was reading through this group to see if it was worthwhile trading in our Landcruiser for an LX470. I was beginning to sense that driving a Lexus related to insecurity. I'm glad to read that there is some "common sense" in the Lexus group. :-) > Enough, you two! This was supposed to be a discussion on whether or not > the Lexus dealer provides loaner cars and/or pick up service. Not about [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> You're a loser, and you're so aware of it that this is all you can come >> up with? Try this http://www.clublexus.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-20600.html > Thank you! > I was reading through this group to see if it was worthwhile trading in [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>You're a loser, and you're so aware of it that this is all you can come >>>up with? > I was beginning to sense that driving a Lexus > related to insecurity. It does. Those who think they have to throw money around very visibly in order to prove their self-worth are well represented here. Kids will always grow up, sooner or later. I don't worry about that. Enjoy. > > You know Mr. Shagnasty, there is a divine > > difference between you and me. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're a loser... No, the problem is that you think you're a winner. > ...and you're so aware of it that this is all you can come > up with? S'matter Nastyboy? Nobody wants to play with you? Gee, I wonder why?! > > You're a loser... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > S'matter Nastyboy? Nobody wants to play with you? Only the loser that you are could have written that sentence and not had even a hint of what he was saying. > > > You're a loser... > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Only the loser that you are could have written that sentence and not had > even a hint of what he was saying. Golly, gee. I wish I could be a real winner like you! > > In article <3658mrF4tpagsU1@individual.net>, "David Z" > <me@privacy.net> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Golly, gee. I wish I could be a real winner like you! Instead, you're a real winner like you. You're special, and you know it--because everyone on the short bus keeps telling you so. > > > > > You're a loser... > > > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Instead, you're a real winner like you. You own a 13 year old Lexus and you can stop taking pot shots at anyone who owns a late model Lexus and likes to bring it to the Lexus dealer for service and maybe even gives a generous tip to the driver. What's it to you? I'd say you're a bitter, nasty, jealous little person. Now go ahead and tell me I'm wrong. > > Instead, you're a real winner like you. > > You own a 13 year old Lexus I do? Pray tell, what 13 year old Lexus do I own? go ahead, tell us. We'll wait. ... still waiting... > > > Instead, you're a real winner like you. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Pray tell, what 13 year old Lexus do I own? > go ahead, tell us. We'll wait. Why don't you just tell us what you own? > still waiting... So, waited for me to respond BEFORE you posted the question? Your powers of self-delusion are formidable. > > Pray tell, what 13 year old Lexus do I own? > > go ahead, tell us. We'll wait. > > Why don't you just tell us what you own? YOU made the assertion; YOU back it up. (Or are you one of those net-kooks who claims something and then, when asked to back it up, tells everyone to "go do a Google search if you want to know"?) You can't do it, can you? Of course not. Because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. > > > Pray tell, what 13 year old Lexus do I own? > > > go ahead, tell us. We'll wait. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You can't do it, can you? Of course not. Because you don't have a clue > what you're talking about. So, you haven't a clue what you own? > > > Why don't you just tell us what you own? > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > So, you haven't a clue what you own? Yep. I have a clue. But I wasn't the one who made the claim about what I own--you were. All I asked you to do was to back that claim up. And you can't, of course, just like you can't back up anything you say. > > > Pray tell, what 13 year old Lexus do I own? > > > go ahead, tell us. We'll wait. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You can't do it, can you? Of course not. Because you don't have a clue > what you're talking about. So, you haven't a clue what you own? > and maybe even gives a generous tip to the driver. Without any rationalization as to why. You idiots crack me up. > > and maybe even gives a generous tip to the driver. > > Without any rationalization as to why. What's it to you? Can you say "bitter, nasty, jealous little person?" Did you miss that part, Elmo? > > > and maybe even gives a generous tip to the driver. > > > > Without any rationalization as to why. > > What's it to you? If you had just shut up, nothing. But you and your types come into places like this and spew your crap, trying to make it look like what you're doing is rational. And when you're called on it, you know it--but you can't acknowledge that gracefully. Instead, you act like this. Face it: you've been outed. > > > > and maybe even gives a generous tip to the driver. > > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Face it: you've been outed. YOU f.cking a.shole. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I NEVER COMMENTED ABOUT THE WISDOM OF TIPPING ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Face it: you've been outed. > > YOU f.cking a.shole. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT I NEVER > COMMENTED ABOUT THE WISDOM OF TIPPING > ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bullshit. > > YOU f.cking a.shole. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE > > TO TELL YOU THAT I NEVER > > COMMENTED ABOUT THE WISDOM OF TIPPING > > ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Bullshit. YOU made the assertion; YOU back it up. (Or are you one of those net-kooks who claims something and then, when asked to back it up, tells everyone to "go do a Google search if you want to know"?) You can't do it, can you? Of course not. Because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. > > > YOU f.cking a.shole. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE > > > TO TELL YOU THAT I NEVER [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > YOU made the assertion; YOU back it up. YOU'RE the one defending the guy. Do the math. David Z and Shagnasty, Why don't you two shut up and go outside to play. Oldun >> > > YOU f.cking a.shole. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE >> > > TO TELL YOU THAT I NEVER [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Do the math. > David Z and Shagnasty, Why don't you two shut up and go outside to play. Because David Z would MUCH rather stay inside, where it's warm and cozy... > > > > YOU f.cking a.shole. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE > > > > TO TELL YOU THAT I NEVER > > > > COMMENTED ABOUT THE WISDOM OF TIPPING ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Bullshit. > > > > YOU made the assertion; YOU back it up. > > YOU'RE the one defending the guy. > Do the math. OK, let's see....(calculating).... ....Answer = You're A Pain In The a.s Troll!!!! > > YOU'RE the one defending the guy. > > Do the math. > > OK, let's see....(calculating).... > > ....Answer = You're A Pain In The a.s Troll!!!! I hope I'm a pain in your a.s, because you deserve every bit of it. Let's go back and see here...who invited you into this discussion? Oh, yeah--you invited yourself, with absolutely no actual information whatsoever. > > ....Answer = You're A Pain In The a.s Troll!!!! > > I hope I'm a pain in your a.s, because you deserve every bit of it. And what do you think you deserve for your contributions to this group? > > I hope I'm a pain in your a.s, because you deserve every bit of it. > > And what do you think you deserve for your contributions to this group? More than you deserve, believe me. Please don't stop this banter! You're providing daily entertainment, similar to the kind you get when watching professional wrestling (not that I mean to offend WWF fans -- that entertainment is absolutely cranial compared to this). Keep it up! -C >> > I hope I'm a pain in your a.s, because you deserve every bit of it. >> >> And what do you think you deserve for your contributions to this group? > > More than you deserve, believe me. > > > I hope I'm a pain in your a.s, because > > > you deserve every bit of it. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > More than you deserve, believe me. I wholeheartedly agree. Way more. > > > And what do you think you deserve > > > for your contributions to this group? > > > > More than you deserve, believe me. > > I wholeheartedly agree. Way more. So you agree that you're a worthless slug coming in here for no good, and don't deserve anything? > > > > > I hope I'm a pain in your a.s, because > > > > > you deserve every bit of it. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So you agree that you're a worthless slug coming in here for no good, > and don't deserve anything? You're talking about yourself. I wholeheartedly agree that you deserve far more pain in the a.s than I for your nasty contributions to this group, Mr. Nasty. > > So you agree that you're a worthless slug coming in here for no good, > > and don't deserve anything? > > You're talking about yourself. No, pal, I'm talking about YOU. But you're so full of yourself, there's no room for any other little nugget of information to squeeze itself in there. > > > So you agree that you're a worthless slug coming > > > in here for no good, and don't deserve anything? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > yourself, there's no room for any other little nugget of > information to squeeze itself in there. You must be looking in a mirror. Can you say "projection?" > > No, pal, I'm talking about YOU. But you're so full of > > yourself, there's no room for any other little nugget of > > information to squeeze itself in there. > > You must be looking in a mirror. Can you say "projection?" Hardly, pal. But then, you wouldn't be able to see yourself, even if you tried. >> and maybe even gives a generous tip to the driver. >Without any rationalization as to why. Oh no, there's plenty of justification. I tip the porter because it makes me feel good and because that's also how I was raised, to be kind to people. > >Without any rationalization as to why. > > Oh no, there's plenty of justification. I tip the porter because it makes > me feel good And you don't tip the copier service guy, or the trash guy, because it doesn't make you feel good. So don't try to rationalize about how the low wage worker deserves it, etc, etc. Either tip the low wage workers because they deserve it, or don't. That you would pick out SOME low wage workers as more deserving means it's not about them, it's about you. It's about what YOU want other people to perceive about you. YOU think tipping the porter makes you look good, so you feel good. But you know nobody's watching you and the trash men, and nobody in your social circle has made it chic to tip the trash guys, so you don't do it. Screw their families; they can rot, right? >And you don't tip the copier service guy, or the trash guy, because it >doesn't make you feel good. The copier guy doesn't work for us, he works for Kodak. The copier is leased and the lease includes a maintenance contract that is billed to our acct's payable dept. I don't "tip" the trash guys. Theirs is just an annual cash gift. Admittedly small, but the trash guys get more from us at Xmas than they get from anyone else on the block (as far as I know). By the way, since you seem to have fixated on this it might interest you to know we have twice weekly trash pickup, every Monday and Thursday except for holidays. Now here's something for you to really spin in your tenny-runners about: One of the vendors I do a fair amount of business with sends a 7-lb Honey Baked Ham to my home at Christmas and another vendor sends a nice potted Poinsettia plant each year. Several of my vendors send holiday cards, but my wife doesn't reciprocate. She sends cards only to a list of about 75 personal friends, none of whom are my vendors. I'm really a hypocrite, huh? > >And you don't tip the copier service guy, or the trash guy, because it > >doesn't make you feel good. > > The copier guy doesn't work for us, he works for Kodak. The lot boy doesn't work for you, he works for the Lexus dealership. What's your point? > The copier is > leased and the lease includes a maintenance contract that is billed to our > acct's payable dept. And you pay $50 for an oil change, which includes washing the car and pickup and dropoff. You've already paid the bill to the Lexus dealer, just like you've already paid the bill to Kodak. Now what? You have NO rationalization for how you behave. Either the guy is low wage and deserves it, or he isn't and doesn't. > If a $20 tip isn't out of line for a personal service, then it's not out > of line for a personal service--no matter who's providing the personal [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Cheapskate. EXCELLENT post. And another thing... .How cheap can New Owner be in treating the trash collectors? He thinks they are worth a whole $10 a YEAR for picking up his trash at least once a week, if not more. Basically you are tipping the trash collector 19 CENTS for each trash pickup. The Lexus kid gets $20 for a ONE TIME DELIVERY. > > If a $20 tip isn't out of line for a personal service, then it's not out > > of line for a personal service--no matter who's providing the personal [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > The Lexus kid gets $20 for a ONE TIME DELIVERY. Yup. He's a cheapskate. And now, he knows it. He should tip his trash collectors $20/week, based on (a) the value of the service they provide, and (b) his "ladder of life" concept. but no, he tips the Lexus lot boy--probably the dealership owner's no-good crackhead son--twenty bucks to drive company-provided Lexuses around all day. That's because he values his car more than he does trash pickup. It's that plain. And now he realizes it. We should go to his house and tell the trash guys that they get less than the mailman. Watch how his trash gets picked up after that. The is not true. I live on Long Island, New York. I purchased my car in Pennsylvania. My LI service center provides me with a loaner every time I go there. >>>The service loaner is customarily available only to new purchasers. >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Got it now, Mr. Nasty? > The is not true. I live on Long Island, New York. I purchased my car in > Pennsylvania. My LI service center provides me with a loaner every time > I go there. OK, but do they pick up and deliver? I will look into that and get back to you. >>The is not true. I live on Long Island, New York. I purchased my car > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > OK, but do they pick up and deliver? Here we go: My regular dealership said that I had to have purchased the car from them in order to be eligible for the pick up and delivery service. The second dealership said that the car need not have been purchased form them, but there is an additional service charge. The rate varies according to distance. Given that my vehicle is no longer under warranty, I take it to a local independent mechanic. I have been satisfied with him thus far. During my last visit, I drove to his shop, and he took me to work. He came to my office at 6:00 PM and picked me up. All for much less than Lexus charges. He works on my wife's and son's Toyotas also. I am staying with him for a while. I do not need the donuts, coffee, newspapers, and car wash that Lexus provides. They add a lot of money to a routine visit. > I will look into that and get back to you. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> OK, but do they pick up and deliver? I've had an 2003 IS300 Sportcross since new. What do you mean by "service?" I remember that my '98 Audi was in the shop once a week for "service," but I've never heard the expression used in relation to a Lexus. > > > The service loaner is customarily available only to new purchasers. > > > > This is meaningless. It doesn't say anything. > > Sure it does. You just don't understand the point. no, it doesn't. What does "new purchasers" mean? Does it mean only those who purchase new cars? Does it mean only those who are new customers to the dealership? At what point does a "new purchaser" become not a "new purchaser"? When does his car officially get to be "old"? > The dealer who sold you the car will pick up and deliver your car > whenever you need service, routine or otherwise, and will drop off a > free loaner. This special service is ONLY available from the dealer > that you bought the car from. Which is way different from saying "new purchasers". Guess what: they'll do it for people who buy used cars from them, too. Are those people "new purchasers"? > Got it now, Mr. Nasty? When you use English, yes. When you don't, no. |
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