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2005 ES 330, Hesitation and Jerk

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Al - 30 Aug 2005 00:05 GMT
I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or modification
for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk when you step on the
gas after turning or slowing down?  Lexus issued a technical service
bulletin to the dealers on this.  The service rep at my dealer told me that
if I have them do it to my ES 330, it cannot be reversed afterwards.  In
other words, if I have them do it and then don't like it, they won't be able
to undo it.
I would like to know what the results have been from those having it done.
Was it improved, stayed about the same, or did it get worse?
My car is fine on the highway, but in slower city driving, I do get the
hesitation and jerk at times.
Al
Ray O - 30 Aug 2005 00:24 GMT
>I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or modification
>for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk when you step on the
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> hesitation and jerk at times.
> Al

Have you considered test-driving a 2005 ES at the dealership that has had
the modification?
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AndyK. - 30 Aug 2005 01:27 GMT
>>I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or modification
>>for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk when you step on
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> Have you considered test-driving a 2005 ES at the dealership that has had
> the modification?

That might be a good idea but, I'm not so sure it would give you a fair idea
of how your car will react to the change. The way it was explained to me,
the car (ECU) learns your driving habits. If the test vehicle is driven in a
manner that is not consistent with your driving habits, it may give you
false hope.

I like the idea others have brought up. They mentioned that no-one has had
issues with a "new" ES. The complaints start after the vehicle has been
driven several hundred miles. Why not just do away with the damn learning
curve?

AndyK.
Al - 30 Aug 2005 03:59 GMT
>>>I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or
>>>modification for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk when
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>
> AndyK.

AndyK,
How do you do that?
Al
AndyK. - 30 Aug 2005 22:00 GMT
>>>>I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or
>>>>modification for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk when
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> How do you do that?
> Al

Don't know Al. It was suggested by others earlier on that maybe it would be
a good idea if the damn thing didn't have the ability to "learn" at all. My
wife's car drove well until she started the short stop and go trips around
town.
Al - 04 Sep 2005 22:07 GMT
>>>>>I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or
>>>>>modification for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk
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> all. My wife's car drove well until she started the short stop and go
> trips around town.

My car had the jerk in it from the beginning.  I now have about 2000 miles
and it's not as bad.  In my case, the learning feature may have helped a
bit.  But this defect shouldn't be there to begin with.  The service rep at
the dealers told me that their loaners (ES 330s) don't seem to have this
problem since they are driven by many different people and that apparently
does something good to the learning feature.  In my case, I'm the only one
driving the car - my wife doesn't want to drive it.  Either she doesn't like
the mild jerk or she's waiting for me to put the first dent on it.  With all
the cars on the market, I would advise anyone interested in Lexus to wait
till they at least get this problem really fixed.  Right now, I don't regard
that software modification a real fix (neither does the service rep at the
dealer).
Al
Steve Larson - 06 Sep 2005 13:28 GMT
my wife would say that my '02 ES300 has had the jerk in it from the
beginning too...  ;-)

>>>>>>I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or
>>>>>>modification for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk
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> dealer).
> Al
luniwick - 30 Sep 2005 03:03 GMT
I purchased an ES330 in April and have 7K+ miles on it, with almost an equal
number of miles in the city and on the highway.

I thoroughly researched the 330 and was aware of the reported issues with
the "drive-by wire" before I purchased mine. In response to your post, my
car does occasionally exhibit the very slight hesitation and accompanying
jerk when the transmission responds. Being aware of it beforehand migated
the problem as far as I am concerned. It is a small talley on the negative
side of the ledger, with the upside more than overcoming this small minor
annoyance.

The 330 is buttery smooth to drive, both in the city and on the highway, as
well. To me, it is the perfect size and has the perfect blend of sportiness,
power, luxury, quality engineering and assembly, value retention and low
cost of ownership. I have owned a volvo, mercury grand marquis', two camrys,
a celica, honda del sol, toyota echo, fords, chevys, pontiac, volkswagon and
several others, and the 330 is by far (so far) the best.

It helped that a family member is employed with Toyota MM and I was able to
purchase under their employee purchase plan. I got over 5K off sticker and
bumper to bumper for 100K miles. I hope to have 5 or 6 worry-free years of
driving.

Oh, BTW, a different thread implied that Toyota obtained their component
parts from the same suppliers as "American" vehicles. While this is very
true, one thing that fails to be pointed out, is that Toyota's
specifications are much more demanding than Toyota or Honda. My son works
for a company that supplies several parts for automobile assembly plants and
he has commented several times to me that the Japanese are serious about
ZERO defects.

Meanwhile, I'll keep an eye out for the service bulletin that will correct
the hesitation issue, seemingly inherent in the drive-by wire technology.

>>>>>>I would like to know if anyone has had the software update or
>>>>>>modification for the transmission to remedy the hesitation and jerk
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> dealer).
> Al
Howard - 30 Aug 2005 19:51 GMT
We had the "update" performed in early June.  At first the downshifts
were so bad I considered invoking the PA lemon law.  We stuck with it
as the transmission "learned".  The downshifts remain noticable but are
no longer harsh.  The hesitation has been decreased noticeably.

I would do it again because otherwise the car was unsafe to drive
because the hesitation was so bad and random.  Is the fix up to the
quality of the rest of the car, NO!

The worse part was waiting for 17 months for a fix and not getting a
notice from either the dealer or Lexus but my having to call in (again
and again).  

Howard
Steve Larson - 31 Aug 2005 17:20 GMT
It's not the same Lexus anymore...they've unfortunately been Americanized
and are experiencing quality issues similar to Detroit...

> We had the "update" performed in early June.  At first the downshifts
> were so bad I considered invoking the PA lemon law.  We stuck with it
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> Howard
 
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