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IS250 / IS350
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oibus - 09 Nov 2005 15:24 GMT Anyone have one yet? I saw a IS250 up close at the dealer the other day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point.
Mark Klebanoff - 10 Nov 2005 00:10 GMT > Anyone have one yet? I saw a IS250 up close at the dealer the other > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. > BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. I've seen a few and am unimpressed. To me it looks like they took the old "edgy" IS300 and 'softened' it to be more of an old man's car-- kind of like the rest of the Lexus line. I'm going to try hanging on to my '02 manual until the next generation, and hope for something better-- even though the new 3.5L V6 is much more powerful and fuel efficient than the old 3L I-6 on my car. Not only that, but according to the website, the price of a 350 is about the same as a comparably equipped 330i. At least my IS was around $5000 cheaper than a Bimmer. To me the only redeeming quality is that the latest 3-series BMW is every bit as ugly!
Of course if they made the 350 in a manual, I might reconsider.....
Ron M. - 10 Nov 2005 03:03 GMT > Anyone have one yet? I saw a IS250 up close at the dealer the other > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. > BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. The Lexus dealership where I purchased my car called me up a couple of weeks ago and asked me to come down and check out the IS350, so that I could give them some candid feedback since I am an '02 IS300 owner. Although I haven't driven one yet, I did sit in a matador red IS350 with navigation and Mark Levinson sound system. I didn't have time to drive it the day I dropped in for a few minutes while running some errands near the dealership. Personally, I like the looks of the car better than the new BMW 3-Series. However, I don't really care for the IS250/350 doors. Take a look at how high the doors extend upwards towards the roofline on these cars. Makes the windows appear to be really small. Same problem with the Nissan 350Z when compared to the 300ZX(Z-32, 1990-1996 model years). I just don't like this type of body style--although I do realize that this type of door design improves the car's safety when speaking in terms of side impact crashes. Lexus did do a really good job with the interior of the IS250/350. It's definitely more luxurious, but not as sporty-looking as the IS300's. Of course Lexus has been getting hammered for five straight years now about how "boy racer" and "cheap looking" the IS300's interior looks. I don't completely agree with this assessment of the IS300's interior. In fact, I was just thinking today how much I like my IS300's interior while driving it home from work. The IS300 just appears to be more sporty if you asked me, but the IS250/350 does have an extremely classy look to it. Looks like the car for a man or woman of some serious means. :-) And when you consider the fact that a fully loaded IS350 with ML will run you about $44,000.00, you'd better have some bucks before purchasing one of these beasts.
Ron M.
Mark Klebanoff - 10 Nov 2005 10:09 GMT > > Anyone have one yet? I saw a IS250 up close at the dealer the other > > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Ron M. That styling design of high doors and small windows seems to be the latest fad. I hate it. It makes me feel like I'm a Sherman tank driver, peering out that little slot in front.
Ron M. - 11 Nov 2005 03:13 GMT >> > Anyone have one yet? I saw a IS250 up close at the dealer the other >> > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > latest fad. I hate it. It makes me feel like I'm a Sherman tank > driver, peering out that little slot in front. I agree. The high doors-small windows design really does suck. the Sherman tank comparison was hilarious! LOL And oh so true.
Ron M.
Waltaahh - 11 Nov 2005 04:21 GMT I have an IS 350. It is extremely fast, but unlike other 300+ hp performance cars, it is extremely quiet and subtle. The whole car is understated. It has to fit your personality. My friend has a IS 300. It fits his personality. He's a little more outgoing than I am. I run marathons, and go to work.
I must say tho', that I have been stopped several times in L.A., by gangbangers, who inquired about the new Lexus model. I must also say that I possess two Glock 26's; this being L.A. and all.
> Anyone have one yet? I saw a IS250 up close at the dealer the other > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. > BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. GLitwinski - 12 Nov 2005 00:39 GMT Now there's quite an endorsement. LA gang-bangers like it.
>I have an IS 350. It is extremely fast, but unlike other 300+ hp >performance cars, it is extremely quiet and subtle. The whole car is [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. >> BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. GLitwinski - 12 Nov 2005 00:43 GMT Looks are secondary to me. Lexus got the engine very right in the IS350 and very wrong in the IS250. Where Lexus totally blew it was in terms of handling. The Bangle-challenged E90 leaves it for dead in terms of handling and the lack of a manual gear box in the IS350 makes it a dead issue for people who really love to drive.
They screwed the pooch, again, for the performance-oriented driver.
> Anyone have one yet? I saw a IS250 up close at the dealer the other > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. > BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. Mark Klebanoff - 12 Nov 2005 10:25 GMT > Looks are secondary to me. Lexus got the engine very right in the IS350 and > very wrong in the IS250. Where Lexus totally blew it was in terms of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > They screwed the pooch, again, for the performance-oriented driver. I agree completely. If I were in the market right now I'd have considered the 3-series but it's even uglier than the IS.
Of course, compared to my 02, the current IS350 gained around 3-400 pounds, lost its manual transmission, and became just another old man's Lexus. Own one of those, or an SC430, and you're guaranteed to be the sexiest guy at the retirement home. Not only that, but when I bought the IS, it was $5000 cheaper than a comparable 330i. Now they're about the same price.
As of now there's no car that particularly interests me, and my IS is in pretty good shape, so I'm praying I don't get into a major wreck and total the car-- at least not until this current styling fad is over. With luck someone will build a good looking car that's not a cross between a blimp and a Sherman tank.
GRL - 13 Nov 2005 21:51 GMT I always liked the original IS, including the retro dash and sporty ride. Just thought it was slightly small and the 3 liter six, while excellent in the (sainted) Supra TT, was too weak and too thirsty in the IS. A pity that the powerful IS350 six is a V6 instead of an I6 and no manual box comes with it.
- GRL
>> Looks are secondary to me. Lexus got the engine very right in the IS350 >> and [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > over. With luck someone will build a good looking car that's not a > cross between a blimp and a Sherman tank. Bo Yancey - 15 Nov 2005 07:46 GMT > I always liked the original IS, including the retro dash and sporty ride. > Just thought it was slightly small and the 3 liter six, while excellent in [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>over. With luck someone will build a good looking car that's not a >>cross between a blimp and a Sherman tank. The 2JGZE L6 wasn't shaping up for emmissions standards. )-:
GLitwinski - 16 Nov 2005 02:53 GMT I'm sure you are right. I also understand the superior packaging dynamics of a V6 let it be used in a NS and WE orientation. Nevertheless, this sacrifices the inherent balance and "sweetness" of a good in-line six...like BMW makes.
- GRL
>> I always liked the original IS, including the retro dash and sporty ride. >> Just thought it was slightly small and the 3 liter six, while excellent [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > The 2JGZE L6 wasn't shaping up for emmissions > standards. )-: aniramca@yahoo.com - 13 Nov 2005 15:55 GMT Well... perhaps the people at Lexus targets for the rich, but not sport oriented group. They may recognize that if their targeted people want performance... they should just go for a BMW, or more crassly, go and use the a Dodge Viper... a pure brute force... or to that new ugly Bugatti model with over 1000 HP. People has definite and differing taste, needs and perceptions about a car. I never want to own a car that does not look good... no matter how expensive it is. The old IS looks ugly. So does the Audi TT, or the frog-like Porsche car models. The Infiniti GS 35 looks very nice. I like the style of Audi A series. The new BMW 3 series look worse than the older one. MB also has nice looking cars to, except for the A,M and new R series and the ugly and overpriced Smart cars. Again.. it is a matter of personal taste. When I drive a Lexus, I know that it is just about the best car there is, and I don't have to show how fast or how good it drives around the corner. The models that I choose are the ones that I considered to be a "beautiful" car.... to my personal taste. If others agree... that would be great. If not... then it does not matter. What matter is that it is mine and I like it. Just a personal opinion :)
> Looks are secondary to me. Lexus got the engine very right in the IS350 and > very wrong in the IS250. Where Lexus totally blew it was in terms of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. > > BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. GRL - 13 Nov 2005 21:54 GMT If the car magazine people are telling the truth, Lexus is trying to target BMW buyers. They are just not very good at hitting the target they are aiming at. Infiniti may or may not being targeting BMW, but they are getting very, very close.
> Well... perhaps the people at Lexus targets for the rich, but not sport > oriented group. They may recognize that if their targeted people want [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. >> > BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. GRL - 13 Nov 2005 22:00 GMT As for Lexus being the best car, that depends on which properties that define a car you are talking about. Reliability, smooth ride (most Lexi), plush interior, I don't think anyone will argue with you. As for things that a driving enthusiast might value highly, few Lexi offer anything of interest to such a person. No Lexus is the best sports sedan, for example.
> Well... perhaps the people at Lexus targets for the rich, but not sport > oriented group. They may recognize that if their targeted people want [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> > day. I was a bit underwhelmed considering the $33k sticker on it. >> > BMW 3series impressed me more at same price point. Koen D - 17 Feb 2006 14:11 GMT I could ask you the same question:
What is your definition of the best sports sedan? And to what other car (engine, e.g.) are you comparing it?
It's all a matter of personal taste. I ordered my IS220d last week. Unfortunately it's due for June, 28th *aaaarhhhggggg!!!* It'll be a serious test of my patience.
But why the Lexus: it's simple. I don't want a BMW because you alreay see too many of them; and I want to drive something else that is at least as good. And as far as I have examined it, you get more quality for the same price at Lexus (try ordering the same car with GPS navigation and multimedia pack, etc and then compare the prices).
Before, I have tried Saab 9-3, but I was not too pleased with it (too many problems).
The Lexus IS220d is my preferred choice and will be my car for the next 4 years. I had one for half a day to test drive it, and I just wanted that car. Amazing.
Koen.
> As for Lexus being the best car, that depends on which properties that > define a car you are talking about. Reliability, smooth ride (most > Lexi), plush interior, I don't think anyone will argue with you. As > for things that a driving enthusiast might value highly, few Lexi > offer anything of interest to such a person. No Lexus is the best > sports sedan, for example.
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