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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / January 2007

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"Lexus can run with anything in class"

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Mike - 14 Jan 2007 01:16 GMT
Lexus can run with anything in class
at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend/20070111-081353-2326r.htm
nopcbs - 14 Jan 2007 11:36 GMT
Right, it just can't stop with anything else in its class. Recent report on
comparable Luxo-barges in one of the car books showed new LS to have wholly
inadequate braking performance. I mean it was loooooooong stopping
distances. No excuse for this.

- nopcbs

> Lexus can run with anything in class
> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend/20070111-081353-2326r.htm
Jeff - 14 Jan 2007 15:16 GMT
My experience too with the 07 GS 350.  My older GS350 stopped much better.

Jeff
> Right, it just can't stop with anything else in its class. Recent report
> on comparable Luxo-barges in one of the car books showed new LS to have
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>> Lexus can run with anything in class
>> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend/20070111-081353-2326r.htm
CFL - 14 Jan 2007 15:48 GMT
My IS will stop shorter and firmer than my BMW.  OF course the brake
pads make a lot of dust.
Ollie

> My experience too with the 07 GS 350.  My older GS350 stopped much better.
>
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>>> Lexus can run with anything in class
>>> at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend/20070111-081353-2326r.htm
mcbrue - 15 Jan 2007 04:23 GMT
EEEEK !!!! You mean my 06 LS430 wont stop as quick as a Mercedes E
class or BMW 530 or Audi A6?????? I thought I had checked the stopping
distances and found them to be comparable with a slight edge to the
Lexus. DRAT !!!! Now the dratted thing won't start up and get out of
the way of the speeding dump truck and if it does get moving, it will
not stop before it runs into the dratted dump truck ! Humph! Anyone
know of a way to alter the radar systems to detect dump trucks?
Max - 15 Jan 2007 04:56 GMT
>EEEEK !!!! You mean my 06 LS430 wont stop as quick as a Mercedes E
>class or BMW 530 or Audi A6?????? I thought I had checked the stopping
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>not stop before it runs into the dratted dump truck ! Humph! Anyone
>know of a way to alter the radar systems to detect dump trucks?

my neighborhood doesn't have a proliferation of rampaging dump trucks.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 15 Jan 2007 12:25 GMT
> EEEEK !!!! You mean my 06 LS430 wont stop as quick as a Mercedes E
> class or BMW 530 or Audi A6??????

Or a Honda Civic, for that matter.
GIga - 25 Jan 2007 03:23 GMT
Wow. An idiot and a moron having a conversation.  How entertaining!

<grin>

>> EEEEK !!!! You mean my 06 LS430 wont stop as quick as a Mercedes E
>> class or BMW 530 or Audi A6??????
>
> Or a Honda Civic, for that matter.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 25 Jan 2007 03:55 GMT
> >> EEEEK !!!! You mean my 06 LS430 wont stop as quick as a Mercedes E
> >> class or BMW 530 or Audi A6??????
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>
> <grin>

(top posting fixed)

wow.  A $75,000 car with worse braking performance than a $16,000 car.  
How entertaining!
Max - 27 Jan 2007 15:37 GMT
>> >> EEEEK !!!! You mean my 06 LS430 wont stop as quick as a Mercedes E
>> >> class or BMW 530 or Audi A6??????
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>wow.  A $75,000 car with worse braking performance than a $16,000 car.  
>How entertaining!

well, I can buy a $10,000 sport bike than can blow away a Ferrari.

What's your point?
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 27 Jan 2007 20:30 GMT
> >wow.  A $75,000 car with worse braking performance than a $16,000 car.  
> >How entertaining!
>
> well, I can buy a $10,000 sport bike than can blow away a Ferrari.
>  
> What's your point?

You're comparing sport bikes to cars.  That's apples to oranges.  Why
don't you compare sport bikes to sport bikes?

I'm comparing a very expensive car to a less expensive car.

One would think the more expensive car could do better.

What would you say if you found a sport bike that seemed to be the same
as another, yet had significantly inferior performance?
Max - 27 Jan 2007 20:45 GMT
>> >wow.  A $75,000 car with worse braking performance than a $16,000 car.  
>> >How entertaining!
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>What would you say if you found a sport bike that seemed to be the same
>as another, yet had significantly inferior performance?

I'd check and see what that type of sport bike is designed to do and
then compare it to like models.

For example, I wouldn't compare a Ducati Monster to a Suzi Hayabusa,
they're both considered sport bikes (albeit the Monster is more
defined as a naked sport bike), since they're not like bikes.  A more
fair comparison would be a ZX10 to a Hayabusa.

Or, just save $25k over the LS and buy a Corvette.

With a Lexus, you're paying for the reliability, build quality and
name.  Performance hasn't really been a
big ticket item for the Lexus engineers unfortunately.
Elmo P. Shagnasty - 27 Jan 2007 23:47 GMT
> With a Lexus, you're paying for the reliability, build quality and
> name.  Performance hasn't really been a
> big ticket item for the Lexus engineers unfortunately.

Well, braking performance isn't speed performance.  It's safety.

And they should be ashamed that a $16K car is safer than a $75K car.
David Z - 28 Jan 2007 00:14 GMT
> > >wow.  A $75,000 car with worse braking performance than a $16,000 car.
> > >How entertaining!
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> What would you say if you found a sport bike that seemed to be the same
> as another, yet had significantly inferior performance?

With respect to braking distance, comparing a Honda Civic to a Lexus LS
is also an apples to oranges comparison due to the difference in the
weight of each car.  I suspect that a Civic is about half the weight of
an LS.

For a true apples to apples comparison, you would have to compare the LS
to a car in its class.
 
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