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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / May 2008Psssst - Hey mister - wanna buy a Lexus?
But there may be some costs that are higher than normal : "Maintenance & Repairs Surprisingly, maintenance and car repairs account for only four percent of the cost of ownership, Weathers said. The maintenance and repair cost figures used in Consumer Reports' cost of ownership comparison were based on information gleaned from more than a million respondents in its annual Car Reliability Survey. One notable conclusion reached in the Consumer Reports study is that Lexus models have relatively high maintenance and repair costs -- primarily due to maintenance alone, even though Lexus owners reported excellent reliability. The Lexus ES350 racks up an average of $2,300 in maintenance and repair in the first five years. Meanwhile, owners of a comparable Lincoln MKZ can expect to pay only half that much." My 06 LS430 Ultra has had about $9000 worth of warranty work done on it in addition to the incredible $175 oil changes, etc. Oh - by the way - they do NOT include 4 wheel alignments in that $175 oil change. My tires are watched by Lexus - fortunately I looked at them today, couple of weeks after my last oil change - noted the balding strips on the sides of the tires and the broken knives in the tread. Went over to see my tire guy and at 25,300 miles have to replace all four of the tires. Glad I checked before I got on the road Thursday and had a blowout where the tire disintegrated! Ah well ... and on we go! >One notable conclusion reached in the Consumer Reports study is that >Lexus models have relatively high maintenance and repair costs -- >primarily due to maintenance alone, even though Lexus owners reported >excellent reliability. The Lexus ES350 racks up an average of $2,300 >in maintenance and repair in the first five years. Meanwhile, owners >of a comparable Lincoln MKZ can expect to pay only half that much." Comparable is in the eye of the beholder... >My 06 LS430 Ultra has had about $9000 worth of warranty work done on >it in addition to the incredible $175 oil changes, etc. Oh - by the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >tires. Glad I checked before I got on the road Thursday and had a >blowout where the tire disintegrated! So, you're shocked that a 4000 lb car with 278 hp needs tires at 25,000 miles? And you believe it's your dealer's responsibility to tell you? Worn tires are somewhat different than valve clearances - you don't need to be a mechanic to know when you need to replace them. And 25,000 miles out of a set of tires for that car isn't bad. You're clearly very unhappy with that car - why not replace it with something more to your tastes? This is an open forum and people are here to discuss the good, bad and ugly of Toyota's Lexus. If you don't like it you're free to leave. Nobody is keeping you here. Of course if Toyota is paying you then you'll have no choice but to stick around and respond. > Comparable is in the eye of the beholder... > So, you're shocked that a 4000 lb car with 278 hp needs tires at > 25,000 miles? And you believe it's your dealer's responsibility to > tell you? > Worn tires are somewhat different than valve clearances - you don't > need to be a mechanic to know when you need to replace them. And > 25,000 miles out of a set of tires for that car isn't bad. > You're clearly very unhappy with that car - why not replace it with > something more to your tastes? johngdole@hotmail.com wrote to DaveW: > Of course if Toyota is paying you then you'll have no choice but to > stick around and respond. And if BMW is paying you, we're probably going to be treated to your positive contributions for some time to come. Sauce, goose, gander  Signaturesjs >This is an open forum and people are here to discuss the good, bad and >ugly of Toyota's Lexus. If you don't like it you're free to leave. >Nobody is keeping you here. I asked a simple question. He's been unhappy with that car as long as he's owned it. Why would he keep it? Nobody is keeping me here, and as it is an open forum, nobody is preventing me from asking a perfectly logical question, either. If you have some kind of problem with that, I suggest you ignore me, as you do every time I ask you what model car you drive. >Of course if Toyota is paying you then you'll have no choice but to >stick around and respond. So I'm on Toyota's payroll if I wonder why someone who can afford to drive any car they please chooses to keep a Lexus that makes them unhappy? That seems a stretch, doesn't it? Tell us again what you think of the MacPherson Struts on the GS models - maybe nobody will point out this time that they never had them. No reason for that to stop you from telling us they don't work well, is it? Also, what Lexus model is built on the Corolla - or was that some other ignoramus posting in your name? So, john, what do you drive? No way. I'll steer people towards BMW and Mercedes, the true luxury cars. The ES is a Camry with different sheet metals. Just what don't people understand. LS looks like a Camry from a distance. Must be good styling. Just curious, why did you buy a Lexus? > But there may be some costs that are higher than normal : > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Ah well ... and on we go! >No way. I'll steer people towards BMW and Mercedes, the true luxury >cars. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Just curious, why did you buy a Lexus? Just curious, what is your obsession with Lexus, and what makes you feel that you're smarter than all those pesky consumer surveys and expert reviews that see things completely different than you do? What do you drive, john? I'm curious. What kind of cheap balding tires were on there that lasted only 25K miles? I thought no true luxury cars would use junk tires. $175 oil change? Is that a synthetic oil change good for 15,000-20,000 miles, like BMW and MB? Of course you wouldn't pay a cent if it's a BMW -- maintenance is free during the first 4 years/50,000 miles, including brake pads and wiper blades. See if a BMW or MB dealer will take that sorry POS LS 430 and give you sufficient residual value for it. My condolences. > My 06 LS430 Ultra has had about $9000 worth of warranty work done on > it in addition to the incredible $175 oil changes, etc. Oh - by the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Ah well ... and on we go! >I'm curious. What kind of cheap balding tires were on there that >lasted only 25K miles? I thought no true luxury cars would use junk >tires. http://www.bmwclassaction.com/index.html >$175 oil change? Is that a synthetic oil change good for 15,000-20,000 >miles, like BMW and MB? Of course you wouldn't pay a cent if it's a >BMW -- maintenance is free during the first 4 years/50,000 miles, >including brake pads and wiper blades. Yes, it's free! Not built into the price or anything - smart people would see right through that! >See if a BMW or MB dealer will take that sorry POS LS 430 and give you >sufficient residual value for it. > >My condolences. What do you drive, john? The original tyres were Dunlop. I put Michelin tyres on it and the car runs quieter and handles better. Why would a car maker put inferior tyres on as original equipment? > The original tyres were Dunlop. I put Michelin tyres on it and the car > runs quieter and handles better. Why would a car maker put inferior > tyres on as original equipment? I can see it all now...a bunch of Lexus executives sitting around the boardroom, saying, "Hey, let's use Dunlop tires -- that'll really piss off McBrue." Signaturesjs You should check Mr. McBrue's old posting on the Mercedes-Benz's Newsgroup. You will find out that he know what he is talking about. >> The original tyres were Dunlop. I put Michelin tyres on it and the car >> runs quieter and handles better. Why would a car maker put inferior [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > boardroom, saying, "Hey, let's use Dunlop tires -- that'll really piss off > McBrue." >You should check Mr. McBrue's old posting on the Mercedes-Benz's Newsgroup. >You will find out that he know what he is talking about. he's an absolute nutcase. And if you believe a word he says, you're no better off than him. >>> The original tyres were Dunlop. I put Michelin tyres on it and the car >>> runs quieter and handles better. Why would a car maker put inferior [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> boardroom, saying, "Hey, let's use Dunlop tires -- that'll really piss off >> McBrue." I think a little research will prove wrong. There are plenty of messages well docemented for years to and from him in the Mercedes-Benz Newsgroup. You will find the Mercedes' owners have a lot of respect for Mr. McBrue. >>You should check Mr. McBrue's old posting on the Mercedes-Benz's >>Newsgroup. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> off >>> McBrue." >I think a little research will prove wrong. There are plenty of messages >well docemented for years to and from him in the Mercedes-Benz Newsgroup. >You will find the Mercedes' owners have a lot of respect for Mr. McBrue. wonderful, then how about if he packs up and moves to his adoring fans over there? Most people here and opted to just killfile him. Thank you for your kind words Homer. The biggest problem with the MB turned out to be its reliability. So I decided to try the Lexus as I had minimal difficulties with the two ES class cars. Now ... hmmmm ... enginering for show instead of go ... high costs of operation and Oh Those El Cheapo Oil jobs every couple of weeks ... As to my new "friend" 01dyna, well I must point out that I started this thread quoting some well known source regarding costs. And of course I had to add in just a little bit of personal experience - sort of like flavoring for the gravy. Then the question of tyres (or tires) rose up more directly, so I made factual comment on the tire performance question and raised a question as to why a luxury car manufactor would put tires on that I consider inferior in performance, life of tread, and noise generation. I have to tone down my colorfull posting style quite a bit in here due to the extremely defensive reactions such as that from 01dyna. Even so, I see no good reasons advanced for using Dunlop tires - well - in my truly outstanding and incomparable humility I suspect the explanation is that advanced by Sir John Smythe - the board sitting around deciding how to displease me. So 01dyna - any comments about the tire questions or questions of cost of ownership? Colorfull argumentum ad hominem welcome, of course, and expected from you. Give me a break McBrew-nutjob. Now you're pretending to be English? When are you going to move on and buy something that meets your ridiculous impressions of what a "True Luxury" car is (whatever the hell that means)? Move on -- move on -- move on -- move ... GIga > Thank you for your kind words Homer. The biggest problem with the MB > turned out to be its reliability. So I decided to try the Lexus as I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > of ownership? Colorfull argumentum ad hominem welcome, of course, and > expected from you. I used Michelin on my two Benzs. My E320 came with Continental Tires. The Continental were okay. I changed to Michelin on the E320 when I needed new tires. The E500 came with Michelin. I upgraded to the Pilot after reviewing the notes on Tire Rack. The Mercedes service has been okay. Got burned once on a break job. The rep said I need pads on all four wheels and the whole system had to be shut down to do the job. The information on other boards indicates that the front goes twice before the rear. To shut the whole system down is no big deal I found that out from an independent it takes about two minutes. This board is very touchy. I have never seen comments like this on a general discussion. > Thank you for your kind words Homer. The biggest problem with the MB > turned out to be its reliability. So I decided to try the Lexus as I [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > of ownership? Colorfull argumentum ad hominem welcome, of course, and > expected from you. > This board is very touchy. This is not a board. I have never seen comments like this on a > general discussion. New to Usenet, are you? Signaturesjs I am sorry to use the wrong phrase. It is a newsgroup. I use the Usenet a few years back. I think the year was about 1992 when I was using Prodigy as an ISP. Do you remember the old BBS when you wanted to download up dates? How long have you been using Usenet/Newsgroups? >> This board is very touchy. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > New to Usenet, are you? > I am sorry to use the wrong phrase. It is a newsgroup. I use the Usenet a > few years back. I think the year was about 1992 when I was using Prodigy as > an ISP. Do you remember the old BBS when you wanted to download up dates? > How long have you been using Usenet/Newsgroups? Since 1987, as an admin, and ran BBSes before that. Signaturesjs, around since the Great Renaming Hey Sir John, that Great Renaming wasn't when you invented the internet, was it? Of course you had to change it to Arpanet so Al could re-invent it as the internet ... When did the commercial applications start? And for my dearly loved friend Glga - looked at the Maseratti, but it has too small a trunk. Good road passing speed though. And as roomy as the LS - well, allmost. Surprised you picked up on the error in spelling, but I guess you do have to be able to read. > Hey Sir John, that Great Renaming wasn't when you invented the > internet, was it? Of course you had to change it to Arpanet so Al > could re-invent it as the internet ... > > When did the commercial applications start? No, ARPANET predated the Great Renaming by about 18 years. The Internet opened to commercial interests in 1988. On Usenet, commercial applications began when Canter and Siegel invented spam in 1994. Of course, by that time, the WWW had been around for three years or so, having gotten underway arguably in 1991, if memory serves. Remember that the Internet is not the Web is not Usenet. Signaturesjs Ah ... an historian! Thank you for the history, but I fear that you left out Al Gore's invention of the internet. And I hadn't heard that spam was invented by a pair of people. I wonder if you could expand on that a bit. > Ah ... an historian! Thank you for the history, but I fear that you > left out Al Gore's invention of the internet. And I hadn't heard that > spam was invented by a pair of people. I wonder if you could expand on > that a bit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_&_Siegel Signaturesjs I thought Bridgestone/Firestones were bad! However Michelins and Pirellis are considered premium tires. I'm surprised Toyota didn't use them on their Lexus. Cost too much I guess. > The original tyres were Dunlop. I put Michelin tyres on it and the car > runs quieter and handles better. Why would a car maker put inferior > tyres on as original equipment? When I bought our Lexus ES350 (with the piston-slap engine last year), the dealer said that the cars come in with different tires at different times. Some have Michelins. Ours has Bridgestone Taranza tires. Our Toyota Avalon had Michelins. Graybeard >I thought Bridgestone/Firestones were bad! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> runs quieter and handles better. Why would a car maker put inferior >> tyres on as original equipment?
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