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Toyota's Lexus April 08 car sales drop 22.1%, trucks down 8.6%
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johngdole@hotmail.com - 04 May 2008 04:29 GMT http://www.autospies.com/news/Toyota-Sales-Drop-4-5-In-April-Lexus-Sales-Plummet -17-1-29300/
Lexus Division
Lexus passenger cars reported April sales of 13,766 units, a decrease of 22.1 percent from April 2007. Passenger-car sales were led by the ES entry luxury sedan with April sales of 5,439 units. The IS entry luxury sport sedan reported combined sales of 4,550 units. The LS flagship luxury sedan reported combined sales of 1,992 units. Sales of the GS luxury sport sedan reported combined April sales of 1,568 units.
Lexus Division light trucks reported April sales totaling 9,584 units, down 8.6 percent from the year-ago month. The all-new LX 570 enjoyed sales of 799 units, an increase of 207.3 percent. The RX luxury utility vehicle posted combined April sales of 7,160 units. The RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 1,624 units for the month, up eight percent over the year ago month.
Graybeard - 04 May 2008 14:05 GMT Maybe someone else besides me doesn't think that "piston slap" in the ES350 is "Normal". Graybeard
> http://www.autospies.com/news/Toyota-Sales-Drop-4-5-In-April-Lexus-Sales-Plummet -17-1-29300/ > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 1,624 units > for the month, up eight percent over the year ago month. johngdole@hotmail.com - 07 May 2008 02:34 GMT I think you're right, Graybeard!
It's too bad the ES, which is a nicely dolled-up Toyota Camry with leather seats, has this type of poor piston-bore clearance production line issues. Powertrain has not been Toyota's strength unfortunately.
See if BMW will give you sufficient trade-in value for your junk ES. BTW, "The BMW Group in the U.S. (BMW and MINI combined) today reported April vehicle sales of 31,448, an increase of 9.6 percent from the 28,692 vehicles sold in the same month of 2007." And I thought the the Euro is strong against the US dollar.
> Maybe someone else besides me doesn't think that "piston slap" in the ES350 > is "Normal". > Graybeard DaveW - 07 May 2008 04:13 GMT >See if BMW will give you sufficient trade-in value for your junk ES. >BTW, "The BMW Group in the U.S. (BMW and MINI combined) today reported >April vehicle sales of 31,448, an increase of 9.6 percent from the >28,692 vehicles sold in the same month of 2007." And I thought the the >Euro is strong against the US dollar. "BMW Group (BMW and MINI combined) US sales up 9.6 percent in April. Year-to-date sales are down 4 percent."
You seem to have forgotten the second part of their sales report statement, which is reported in every single place the April sales are reported - except , of course, in alt.autos.lexus, where Al - john - Zeera keeps the ignorant masses informed about the evils of Lexus.
Were you aware of the year-to-date sales figures john, and just chose to edit them out, or did you just read the first sentence and rush over here drooling on your keyboard to tell us?
Don't worry, I'm sure this unfortunate quarter for BMW is an aberration, and when you've finished educating usenet, people will start buying them once again.
greg - 15 May 2008 06:50 GMT On May 6, 6:34 pm, johngd...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I think you're right, Graybeard! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 28,692 vehicles sold in the same month of 2007." And I thought the the > Euro is strong against the US dollar. What does the exchange rate have to do with car sales? Unless you're saying BMW raised their prices in April due to a strong euro and STILL managed to increase sales, it's a non-factor.
Lexus YTD sales, while down from 2007, are at 89,865. BMW YTD 85,100 (not including Mini).
johngdole@hotmail.com - 07 May 2008 02:45 GMT No piston slap is never normal, except as you found in the contrary from Lexus.
Poor metallurgy and long term wear is one reason; however, relaxed production line tolerance is another (given other new ES on the lot suffered the same).
I thought these days every manufacturer matches pistons to cylinder bores to achieve the necessary tolerance. Well maybe not Toyota (which makes Lexus line).
Piston slaps: "essentially, the piston moves sideways and "slaps" or "knocks" hard against the cylinder bore and causes damage to the engine pistons and cylinders, excessive smoke emissions, excessive oil consumption, carbon buildup on piston heads, decreased mileage, and a loud and obnoxious "slapping" or "knocking" noise, all of which diminishes vehicle resale value in the trade."
> Maybe someone else besides me doesn't think that "piston slap" in the ES350 > is "Normal". [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > RX 400h hybrid luxury utility vehicle reported sales of 1,624 units > > for the month, up eight percent over the year ago month. DaveW - 04 May 2008 17:41 GMT According to Reuters, during the same period, GM sales fell 23%, Ford fell 19%, and Chrysler fell nearly 30%.
This is an industry-wide issue, but to john, the story is that people are finally getting wise to the fact that Lexus makes terrible cars, and all those reviews and consumer surveys have been filled with lies all these years!
Also, isn't it strange that john loves to refer to Lexus as Toyota on this newsgroup, but in this case he neglects to share the fact that over the same period, Toyota is up 3.4%, bucking the industry trend.
I think Andrew Lang may have been referring to john when he said, "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support rather than illumination".
johngdole@hotmail.com - 07 May 2008 02:35 GMT No, I use YOU as my lamp post.
> I think Andrew Lang may have been referring to john when he said, > "He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lampposts - for support > rather than illumination".
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