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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / July 2008Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars
Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: * 2008 BMW 3-series * 2008 Cadillac CTS * 2008 Chevrolet Corvette * 2008 Chevrolet Malibu * 2008 Honda Accord * 2008 Honda Fit * 2008 Mazda MX-5 Miata * 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 * 2008 Porsche Boxster and Cayman * 2008 Volkswagen GTI http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/ 2008_10best_cars_10best_cars >Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/ 2008_10best_cars_10best_cars I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. >>Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish >I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. How VW can be on the list when nearly every person I know that's owned one has complained about it's horrible reliability is beyond me. I guess it is just a matter of opinion. I personally would not swap my Lexus for any of those on the list. >>Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish > I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. Sounds like a great idea. Is anyone out there interested in buying my (slightly used) LS600hL? It's a pretty nice car, but I have to agree with Dave that the Malibu has C&D's endorsement, and so it must be a better choice. Frankly, I'm embarassed to be driving something as second class as my LS600 obviously is, so hopefully someone out there will be kind enough to take this pig off my hands. Any takers? GIga >>Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish > I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. Giga, I can give you the same offer I gave Mr. McBrue to take his miserable LS off his hands. I offered him a 1998 Ford Escort 30K perfectly maintained and driven by a little old lady [ my Mom ] and offered to deliver it to him to make the exchange anywhere in the USA. It should be worth even more to him now as it is very good on gas. I will also make this offer to any ES Piston Slap owners. BTW I have a 2003 ES with no piston slap or trans lag. Unlike the smuck I work with who's 2003 C-Class has been in the shop six times since he bought it. He still insists Mercedes is a better car. It goes to show you that sometimes perception is everything. > Sounds like a great idea. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish >> I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. Sold! A Ford is a clearly superior vehicle seeing as it's a US based manufacturer. In fact, I should probably throw in some cash on top of the deal so I don't take advantage of your generosity. Thanks for bailing me out of my stupid decision to go with the "dolled up Toyota"! GIga > Giga, I can give you the same offer I gave Mr. McBrue to take his > miserable LS off his hands. I offered him a 1998 Ford Escort 30K [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>> I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish >>> I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. Who in their right mind would buy a Lexus 600 hybrid? > Sounds like a great idea. > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish > > I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. Ya got me Goober! Who would? Only a MORON clearly! The car's such a piece of crap, it's hard to believe. And the price? Outrageous! Oh. Wait a minute. I bought one. Hmmm... perhaps someone who values high end technology, great customer service, and a car that's pretty much flawless might buy one. Or then again, maybe not? GIga > Who in their right mind would buy a Lexus 600 hybrid? >> Sounds like a great idea. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> > I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish >> > I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. >Who in their right mind would buy a Lexus 600 hybrid? Paul McCartney has one, and he seems somewhat successful. >>Who in their right mind would buy a Lexus 600 hybrid? > >Paul McCartney has one, and he seems somewhat successful. it could be that he has more money than he has brains __________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. >>Paul McCartney has one, and he seems somewhat successful. >it could be that he has more money than he has brains And way more of both than you do. Once again, a fine example of unarmed dueling idiots. Trust me when I say I would not trade my LS600 for anything (until the LS800 of course). I've had 8 different LS models, and this one is head and shoulders above all of them (including my '04 LS430 Ultra). Better ride, quieter, MUCH better performance, equivalent fuel economy, better sound (probably related to the acoustic envelope and/or increased deadening materials), better bluetooth phone, better nav system, better room (especially in the back)... you get the picture. The only drawback I can find is the trunk space (they had to put the batteries somewhere I suppose), but even though it's smallER, it's still quite adequate for my needs. But I know how unpopular it is with McJerk-off, Long Dong, and apparently quite a few others to say nice things about Lexus, so I'll try to restrain myself. Perhaps it's just jealousy? Nahhhhhh........ couldn't be......... GIga >>>Paul McCartney has one, and he seems somewhat successful. > >>it could be that he has more money than he has brains > > And way more of both than you do. >>>Paul McCartney has one, and he seems somewhat successful. > >>it could be that he has more money than he has brains > >And way more of both than you do. wow what a clever and witty response, it make one wonder why a man like you who possess such great intellect is wasting his time with all the unworthy people here __________________________________________ Never argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Is that what a Yugo is called? > > Is anyone out there interested in buying my (slightly used) LS600hL? It's > a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > > I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish > > > I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. Dave -- Just noticed the slight modification to Long Dong's e-mail address below. Priceless! GIga >>Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I think I can speak for all Lexus owners when I say that I really wish > I'd bought a Chevy Malibu instead. keep in mind that automakers probably pay big bucks to get on this list. Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: * 2008 BMW 3-series * 2008 Cadillac CTS * 2008 Chevrolet Corvette * 2008 Chevrolet Malibu * 2008 Honda Accord * 2008 Honda Fit * 2008 Mazda MX-5 Miata * 2008 Mazdaspeed 3 * 2008 Porsche Boxster and Cayman * 2008 Volkswagen GTI http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/ 2008_10best_cars_10best_cars > keep in mind that automakers probably pay big bucks to get on this list. Perhaps, but I would think that if that ever became general knowledge(beyond just allegation), it would be a major scandal. At least in the automotive circle(s). Obviously, I don't know. But, I don't think C&D would jeopardize a reputation that they'd spent years/decades to build, by selling their "Best Cars" slots. > Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/ 2008_10best_cars_10best_cars >> keep in mind that automakers probably pay big bucks to get on this list. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > jeopardize a reputation that they'd spent years/decades > to build, by selling their "Best Cars" slots. They probably wouldn't sell a spot, but if comes down to a choice between a couple of worthy contenders I bet the one that spends the most advertising in C&D wins! >>> keep in mind that automakers probably pay big bucks to get on this list. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > a couple of worthy contenders I bet the one that spends the most > advertising in C&D wins! Maybe, let's see what they say.... I've CC'd one of their contact addresses. Perhaps they'll provide a clarification. For the C&D convenience, the complete thread here is located at: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.lexus/browse_frm/thread/324677986535df0 c?hl=en# Maybe not making the list is why Lexus 2008 *car* sales have been *double-digit* downhill? Jan 2008 Down 17.7% Feb 2008 Down 13.2% Mar 2008 Down 11.6% April 2008 Down 22.1% On May 21, 7:16 pm, johngd...@hotmail.com wrote: > Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_w... as a 2002 ES300 owner, I can understand the exclusion...I'm just waitng for the day this transmission falls out the bottom, after all the hard shifting and hunting that it has done in its lifetime... > Car and Driver 2008 10 Best cars: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/best_worst_lists/ 2008_10best_cars_10best_cars Mind you, I've stopped recommending the ES even for those who wanted a dolled-up Camry because of cheesy powertrains. (Some owners don't realize that ES is basically a Camry with different sheet metals.) The newer Toyota U-series transmissions unfortunately aren't the best on the lot. The preferred transmissions these days are the Borg Warner Direct Shift Gearbox designs (Direkt Schalt Getriebe -- Audi and Porsche are working on their own versions, like the Porsche Doppel Kupplungs). These are fuel efficient, high performance transmissions allowing excellent manual controls -- upshifts in as little as 8 ms, compared to the Toyota/Aisin clunkers (0.1 sec shifts). > as a 2002 ES300 owner, I can understand the exclusion...I'm just waitng for > the day this transmission falls out the bottom, after all the hard shifting > and hunting that it has done in its lifetime... I'll alert the media. > Mind you, I've stopped recommending the ES even for those who wanted a > dolled-up Camry because of cheesy powertrains. |
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