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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / June 2008

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Lexus 2008 GS 460 ranked last again?

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johngdole@hotmail.com - 27 May 2008 03:46 GMT
8 speed tranny is good marketing, but I guess the 100 ms shifts make
it a clunker: "The tranny doesn't keep up, endlessly hunting for that
ideal gear (remember, there are eight of them) and delivering
lethargic shifts when in manual mode."

"With the votes in, though, the Lexus is akin to bringing sake to a
cabernet competition. Sure, it's technically wine, but it doesn't
really match up, lacking the requisite flavor, color, and vivacity to
stir the judges."

Too bad the GS 460 came in last in this review group. I guess being
the cheapest of the group, GS does help those who can't afford better
and who don't push cars to the limit:

Full article:
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0807_luxury_sport_sedan_compariso
n/index.html

mcbrue - 28 May 2008 00:06 GMT
WHAT !!!!!!??????? You mean that the 460 which has an 8 speed is not
perfect ? Just wait till Glga comes in to spew or whatever he does
after getting a skin full of whatever it is he drinks. This 460 is
quite predictible. The 430 with its 6 speed is realllllllly inferior
to the old S Klass German kar that I traded on it. Der old cherman kar
had a 5 speed but was smooth as butter when shifting. The Lexus bumps
and thumps and when driving along at a constant speed will actually
jerk and bang into a lower gear! Kind of like driving an old Chevy or
something.
johngdole@hotmail.com - 28 May 2008 06:03 GMT
Today's performance transmission design is towards dual-clutch Direct
Shift Gearboxes (DSG). The advanced Borg Warner designs can upshift in
as little as 8 ms (!!!) instead of the 100 ms in the Toyota 8-speed.
But again, I don't think anybody ever claimed Toyota had a performance
transmission, but they do doll up their cars nicely.

I agree ZF Friedrichshafen has some really great transmissions and
produce variants of the dual-clutch design as well as the LePelletier
design. And the Getrag manuals are the gold standard (some Honda Civic
manuals do come close).

Don't mind the little jerks. They probably don't have their parents'
permission to post anyway.

> WHAT !!!!!!??????? You mean that the 460 which has an 8 speed is not
> perfect ? Just wait till Glga comes in to spew or whatever he does
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> jerk and bang into a lower gear! Kind of like driving an old Chevy or
> something.
DaveW - 28 May 2008 20:27 GMT
<snip>

What do you drive, john?
mcbrue - 28 May 2008 23:59 GMT
What do you drive, DaveW?

Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
well ... another mistake!
DaveW - 29 May 2008 00:59 GMT
>What do you drive, DaveW?

As I've posted here before, I have an '04 GS430. I'm very happy with
it, as I was with my '02 GS300, '01 IS300, '96 SC400 and '93 SC300.
Aside from the three CD players the IS went through in three years
(replaced under warranty each time), they've all been trouble free.
I've put somewhere around 180,000 miles on the five cars over a 12
year period (the IS was new, the others were bought Certified
Pre-Owned) without any serious problems, so I continue to buy them.

>Just for the record, I drive an 06430Ultra. The 07s were due out
>shortly when I bot the 06, but I knew they would have a new tranny and
>I had the fun with the ES units allready - white ball crumbling, etc,
>etc. So I decided to stick with the proven product, the 6 speed. Oh
>well ... another mistake!

I understand you've had your share of problems with your LS and your
ES, and that explains your occasional crotchety posts here, but I
believe Lexus makes very dependable cars and your experience is the
exception rather than the rule. No manufacturer is perfect, but
surveys and studies consistently show Lexus to be among the best in
owner satisfaction and long-term reliability.

I've asked john a number of times what he drives because I'm curious
about his motivation for his constant negative posts here. Anything at
all he can find that shows Lexus in a negative light has him racing
right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
GIga - 30 May 2008 02:30 GMT
My guess is that his father abused him as a child.

But seriously folks!

Some people are "mis-matchers".  Simply put, this means that they ALWAYS
find the dark cloud in every silver lining.  Long Dong clearly has the need
to "prove" something, and he derives some sort of perverted joy in finding
meaningless articles about how crappy Lexus is and how their sales are
tanking, blah blah blah.  The whole 100mS thing is fascinating to me, as I
happen to own one of those 8 gear CVTs, and have absolutely no trouble
smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise).  I've had my LS600 up
to 135mph on the highway (yeah, I know, dangerous, illegal, dumb, whatever),
and it was purring like a kitten, with no hint of a shift all the way up,
and all the way down.  It's like those idiots who claim that they hear the
difference between varieties of speakers with similar ratings and rolloffs.
They can't -- they just want to show everyone how smart they are, and how
inferior everyone else is to them.  Thus you have Long Dong and
McBrew-jerk -- the two loudest mis-matchers on the board (although, I fear
there are more than just these two).  I'm guessing that Dongle does not
drive a Lexus, and is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 12 years old (if
not physically, at least mentally), and I'm pretty sure his mommy would be
very angry if she knew that little Johnnie was posting nasties on the
internet.

BTW Dave -- I have similar statistics on the 9 or 10 Lexi I've owned since
1990.  They simply do not break, and the routine maintenance (while more
expensive than Yugo's) is done professionally, and flawlessly.  But then
again, I'm clearly a Lexus employee, so I'm biased.  Right Brewski?

GIga

>>What do you drive, DaveW?
>
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> right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
> there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
Anonymous - 30 May 2008 06:33 GMT
"smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."

You probably should ensure that the Porsche pilots are
aware that you're trying to race with them next time!

> My guess is that his father abused him as a child.
>
[quoted text clipped - 55 lines]
>> right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
>> there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
GIga - 31 May 2008 03:51 GMT
Actually, he tailgated me onto the highway, changed two lanes to the left,
and nailed it.  After I blew past him (yeah, I know that was childish of
me), I slowed down, and he pulled up next to me and gave me a "surprised"
look.

You're probably right -- he was clearly just out for a Sunday drive.  How
silly of me, Mr. Anon-e-mouse.

GIga

> "smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
>
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>>> right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
>>> there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
Anonymous - 31 May 2008 04:41 GMT
> Actually, he tailgated me onto the highway, changed two lanes to the left,
> and nailed it.  After I blew past him (yeah, I know that was childish of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> GIga

That's rich.... Didn't you realize you were racing one of those
new Korean made "Porches".  <g>

>> "smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
>>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>>>> right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
>>>> there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
stuart8181 - 01 Jun 2008 22:28 GMT
How old are you?
> Actually, he tailgated me onto the highway, changed two lanes to the left,
> and nailed it.  After I blew past him (yeah, I know that was childish of
[quoted text clipped - 70 lines]
> >>> right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
> >>> there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
GIga - 03 Jun 2008 03:23 GMT
How much do you weigh?  What's your IQ?  Are you still a virgin?

And...

What do YOU drive?

GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

> How old are you?
stuart8181 - 05 Jun 2008 18:02 GMT
Lexus
 How much do you weigh?  What's your IQ?  Are you still a virgin?

 And...

 What do YOU drive?

 GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

 "stuart8181" <stuart8181@comcast.net> wrote in message news:r5KdneoDqakcid7VnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@comcast.com...
 > How old are you?
GIga - 06 Jun 2008 04:09 GMT
Really now.  A Lexus.  How generic.  

I'm guessing an '89 ES250?

GIga
 Lexus
   "GIga" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:44mdnQldPN8hN9nVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast.com...
   How much do you weigh?  What's your IQ?  Are you still a virgin?

   And...

   What do YOU drive?

   GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

   "stuart8181" <stuart8181@comcast.net> wrote in message news:r5KdneoDqakcid7VnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@comcast.com...
   > How old are you?
stuart8181 - 06 Jun 2008 18:51 GMT
Wrong again !!!
 Really now.  A Lexus.  How generic.  

 I'm guessing an '89 ES250?

 GIga
   "stuart8181" <stuart8181@comcast.net> wrote in message news:__ydnbZMZouOgdXVnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com...
   Lexus
     "GIga" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:44mdnQldPN8hN9nVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast.com...
     How much do you weigh?  What's your IQ?  Are you still a virgin?

     And...

     What do YOU drive?

     GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

     "stuart8181" <stuart8181@comcast.net> wrote in message news:r5KdneoDqakcid7VnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@comcast.com...
     > How old are you?
GIga - 07 Jun 2008 01:48 GMT
Again?   Can't be.  Never been wrong before, probably not wrong now.  Whatever you're driving, I'm sure it's old, beat up, and stupid.  Like you.

Nyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
 Wrong again !!!
   "GIga" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:MKOdnc9VKZH0NNXVnZ2dnUVZ_qPinZ2d@comcast.com...
   Really now.  A Lexus.  How generic.  

   I'm guessing an '89 ES250?

   GIga
     "stuart8181" <stuart8181@comcast.net> wrote in message news:__ydnbZMZouOgdXVnZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com...
     Lexus
       "GIga" <a@b.com> wrote in message news:44mdnQldPN8hN9nVnZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d@comcast.com...
       How much do you weigh?  What's your IQ?  Are you still a virgin?

       And...

       What do YOU drive?

       GIga (old enough to pay cash for an LS600h)

       "stuart8181" <stuart8181@comcast.net> wrote in message news:r5KdneoDqakcid7VnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@comcast.com...
       > How old are you?
W. Wells - 31 May 2008 15:02 GMT
If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas  do it all the time.

> "smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
>
[quoted text clipped - 60 lines]
>>> right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
>>> there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
Anonymous - 31 May 2008 17:23 GMT
> If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
> races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas  do it all the time.

Any Lexus' full sized, bloated sedans there also?

>> "smoking Porches off the road (much to their surprise)."
>>
[quoted text clipped - 61 lines]
>>>> right over here to post it. There's some kind of personal bitterness
>>>> there, and I just wonder where it comes from.
St. John Smythe - 31 May 2008 21:55 GMT
>> If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
>> races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas  do it all the time.
>
> Any Lexus' full sized, bloated sedans there also?

They're not GT cars. DUuuh!
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Anonymous - 01 Jun 2008 00:08 GMT
>>> If you want to see Porsches get smoked just watch the Grand Am GT series
>>> races sometimes. Pontiacs and Mazdas  do it all the time.
>>
>> Any Lexus' full sized, bloated sedans there also?
>
> They're not GT cars. DUuuh!

Precisely my point; thank you.
 
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