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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / March 2009Step Right Up - Get Yer 1500 Brake Job here!
Yas sir folks! Only 1500 US Dollars for a brake job at 35,000 miles on the 2006 Ultra LS 430 ! Step right up and get em here while we still got em !!!! And the rotors are too thin to be turned and allways need to be replaced, every 35,000 to 40,000 miles !!!!! What other brake pads and rotors are available for this wonder car? I would prefer ones that last a bit longer, but at least that stop it as good as the present OEM ones do. I just think that this price is way too high. Do I really have to replace the rotors and not have them turned? They tell me the rotors cost $200 each. Why does it take 2 hours to do a brake job now? They used to be a lot quicker than that. Since I bought this car new (with 500 miles on it at delivery), I have had $1,805.47 worth of routine costs for the 5000 mile oil changes and inspections. I have had $9,346.17 worth of warranty parts including sensors, radar units, air shock hoses, one right mirror, and a key battery (cash). There has been one set of tires for $1,1295 in the thin, pimp & drug dealer style favored by car companies now. This is a total of $22,446.64 for 35,000 miles or $0.6413/mile which is considerable more than the last Mercedes S Class I drove. I have to wonder just how long the American public will continue buying this brand with its obviously severe problems with quality and durability as well as total cost of ownership. Lexus cars have the lowest cost of ownership in their class. One can only conclude that the problem is YOU! http://autos.yahoo.com/articles/autos_content_landing_pages/784/best-cars-for-th e-money/ Best Cars for the Money By Jamie Page Deaton The numbers don't look good. November car sales were down 30 percent from last year. While shoppers are used to doom and gloom sales numbers coming out of Detroit, the declines are now industry-wide, with Honda posting a 32 percent decline, Toyota sales dropping 34 percent, and even venerable Porsche reporting a nearly 50 percent drop in sales. While these numbers obviously spell trouble for automakers, what they mean for car shoppers isn't immediately clear. The credit crisis has continued for months and with belt-tightening becoming the new American pastime, car shoppers are finding themselves adrift in a sea of bad industry news, rising new car incentives, and little advice for consumers. That's where this year's U.S. News Best Car for the Money awards come in. Car shoppers face an uncertain economy and a shrinking ability to borrow. The key to surviving the current marketplace is to stretch your dollars as far as they'll go -- but that doesn't mean flocking to the biggest incentives. It means focusing on cars that are proven winners and offer a great value over the entire life of the car. The Awards The Best Car for the Money awards use data from U.S. News' online automotive rankings (at www.rankingsandreviews.com) to find cars that are among the best in their class. The rankings are based on the collective opinion of the automotive press, which helps to eliminate subjectivity and elevate expert opinion about each car. The awards also take initial price into account, but more importantly, they incorporate the five-year total cost of owning the car. Using data from IntelliChoice, an industry leader in determining new car values and ownership costs, the awards include how much buyers can expect to spend on maintenance and fuel, as well as how much of a hit they'll take from the car's depreciation. As a result, the awards tell you which cars are the best for your money over the long haul. Read more on the awards methodology. The Winners Across 14 new car classes, the clear winner is Toyota. Five Toyotas won Best Car for the Money in their classes, with Lexus, Toyota's luxury marquee, pulling in another three. Chevrolet and Mazda each claim two awards and Honda and Korean upstart Hyundai each claim one. Five of the award winners are even available as hybrids - most of which are also great values. Despite ranging in size from the tiny Honda Fit to the hulking Chevrolet Tahoe, the winners have a lot in common. They share a high level of build quality that makes for worry-free and low-cost ownership. One of the reasons Toyota models take so many of the awards is because of their bulletproof quality. That not only lowers the cost of maintaining Toyotas -- it means that they retain value better than most other cars. The winners have something else in common: they are favorites in the automotive press. Not because they tear up drag strips or star in music videos, but because they are extremely livable. Each winner occupies an automotive sweet spot that makes it an attractive choice for the vast majority of car shoppers. Take the Lexus ES, the Best Upscale Car for the Money: it doesn't drive as sharp as the BMW 3-Series and doesn't look as sharp as the Mercedes Benz C-Class, but taken as a total package, it's very comfortable to drive and easy to live with on a daily basis -- not to mention easier on your wallet. Some winners, like the Mazda5, the Best Compact Crossover for the Money, take the best of what class leaders like the Toyota RAV4 and Honda CR-V have to offer, but pack in an appealing lower price. The case of the Hyundai Elantra, the Best Compact Car for the Money, proves what many have been saying for years: Honda and Toyota should watch their backs because Hyundai is making not just economical cars, but very good ones. Time to Buy It's a confusing time to be shopping for a new car. While there are some incredible deals to be had, many of those incentives are for cars that don't offer a lot of value in the long term. Worse, a car with thousands of dollars in cash-back offers may be tough to drive, and laden with features you don't need. The U.S. News Best Car for the Money awards cut through fog surrounding the auto industry to point out the cars that combine value with day-to-day livability. As scary as it is to part with thousands of dollars in this economy, by sticking with the cars that offer maximum satisfaction at a minimal cost, your money will go further and your driving will be happier. And, who knows? Happy new car buyers may be just the stimulus this economy needs. 2009 Award Winners Toyota Camry Best Midsize Car for the Money Honda Fit Best Subcompact Car for the Money Mazda Mazda5 Best Compact Crossover for the Money Hyundai Elantra Best Compact Car for the Money Toyota Highlander Best Midsize Crossover for the Money Lexus RX Best Luxury Crossover for the Money Chevrolet Tahoe Best Full Size SUV for the Money Mazda Miata Best Sports Car for the Money Lexus GS Best Luxury Car for the Money Toyota Tacoma Best Compact Truck for the Money Chevy Silverado Best Full Size Truck for the Money Toyota Sienna Best Minivan for the Money Toyota Avalon Best Large Car for the Money Lexus ES Best Upscale Car for the Money > Yas sir folks! Only 1500 US Dollars for a brake job at 35,000 miles on > the 2006 Ultra LS 430 ! Step right up and get em here while we still [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > brand with its obviously severe problems with quality and durability > as well as total cost of ownership. I think you are exagerating or are going to the wrong place . I had the brakes done by the dealer at 35k on my ES, along with oil change, routine service and a new battery for a total cost of $556 . Maybe the change you an additional bitch premium for all the whining you do. BTW the trade offer for the 98 Escort still is available. > Yas sir folks! Only 1500 US Dollars for a brake job at 35,000 miles on > the 2006 Ultra LS 430 ! Step right up and get em here while we still [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > brand with its obviously severe problems with quality and durability > as well as total cost of ownership. snip There has been one set of tires for $1,1295 in the > thin, pimp & drug dealer style favored by car companies now. snip ya know, I paid about the same for 4 Michelin run flat tires on my Corvette. what other stories do you have? this one's kinda lame 'cause its not likely that someone with sufficient funds to buy a LS 430 would lack the business sense to know when they're getting reamed. OK - let me restate my posting. My 2006 LS 460 has 35,000 miles and the dealer tells me it needs brakes. The rotors allways need to be replaced and are never resurfaced. So the total cost they quote is a bit higher than I am willing to pay. What brands of pads and rotors are available that are equal to or better than the Lexus equipment? How much should the job cost? Should this car really need brakes at only 35,000 miles? As an alternative question, what does your dealer charge you to do a brake job on your LS 430 ? Unless the rotors have been scored, I'm a little confused as to why those rotors need maintenance. At the very best, it would seem that only a light resurface would be required. Your reference - "The rotors allways need to be replac- ed and are never resurfaced", although quoted, is still confusing why any vehicle would need new rotors at 35K, unless abused. Personally, I would look for a second opinion from a facility that you trust. I'm sure that if you ask some of your Lexus friends, some may have chosen to move their maintenance needs to other dealers or specialty facilities. Contrary to manufacturer/dealer suggestion, it's not a spacecraft. They've got calipers and rotors similar to all other vehicles. They all operate in the same/similar fashion, and should be serviced in the same/similar fashion. Also, I think if I were told my car needed new rotors in 35K miles of normal use, I'd be looking at filing a warranty claim. Seems like your 2006 430 may still be within the warranty coverage, depending on the mileage. > OK - let me restate my posting. My 2006 LS 460 has 35,000 miles and > the dealer tells me it needs brakes. The rotors allways need to be [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > question, what does your dealer charge you to do a brake job on your > LS 430 ? Brake pads/rotors are wear items. So I don't think Toyota warranties them. > Also, I think if I were told my car needed new rotors > in 35K miles of normal use, I'd be looking at filing a > warranty claim. Seems like your 2006 430 may still > be within the warranty coverage, depending on the > mileage. Brake pads/rotors are wear items. So I don't think Toyota warranties them. On Mar 5, 9:40 pm, "Anonymous" <c...@com.com> wrote: > Also, I think if I were told my car needed new rotors > in 35K miles of normal use, I'd be looking at filing a > warranty claim. Seems like your 2006 430 may still > be within the warranty coverage, depending on the > mileage. Understood, assuming normal service. But, I guess the motor is basically wear item also, but when one gives up at 35K, I'd say it's time to raise a warranty issue. I've been through an internal warranty issue on a 430, concerning a similar wear item(wheel alignment issue). And I can guarantee that if you have a strong case(and I believe a 35K rotor replace is a strong case(1)), then Lexus will get it corrected. Without hesitation. For the OP's benefit, it's really as easy as emailing the manufacturer via their site contact. In reasonable detail, explain the problem/issue, and wait for a response. Eventually, the justified issue(s) are assigned to some kind of internal specialist. Perhaps, more clarification /documentation may be necessary. Round and round at this level for a while, and if your issue remains justified, poof.... you wind up attending a dealer service department visit hosted by the service mana- ger, where you and your problem are job #1. You drive home in the loaner, and simply await the problem's correction. You later return the loaner, retrieve your fixed vehicle, and live happily ever after. (1) I'm assuming the OP's fact description(s) are explained correctly. And, that there's been no brake system abuse, neglect, or other factor(s) that either caused, or contributed to the premature failure. Bad assumptions where Brew-dick is involved. GIga > Brake pads/rotors are wear items. So I don't think Toyota warranties > them. [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > system abuse, neglect, or other factor(s) that either > caused, or contributed to the premature failure. On Mar 5, 11:29 pm, mcb...@aol.com wrote: > OK - let me restate my posting. My 2006 LS 460 has 35,000 miles and > the dealer tells me it needs brakes. The rotors allways need to be > replaced and are never resurfaced. You know this isn't right. So take the car to an independent auto shop for the work. So the total cost they quote is a > bit higher than I am willing to pay. > > What brands of pads and rotors are available that are equal to or > better than the Lexus equipment? you can find components at The Tire Rack web site. How much should the job cost? Should > this car really need brakes at only 35,000 miles? Actually, if much of your driving is in town, 35K miles is not unreasonable. As an alternative > question, what does your dealer charge you to do a brake job on your > LS 430 ? I haven't used the dealer for brake work. Sure it's a surprise that you need new rotors at 30-40K miles. Toyota typically use Aisin brake components on their cars (Toyota or Lexus) and they should near 100K miles, at least on RX and ES, which are modified Camrys, before needing work. Aisins are no premium brake systems, but more than adequate for the job on your Lexus LS. If you really want premium brake components like Brembo you need to get a true luxury car like Mercedes and BMW, not a Lexus. > Yas sir folks! Only 1500 US Dollars for a brake job at 35,000 miles on > the 2006 Ultra LS 430 ! Step right up and get em here while we still [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > brand with its obviously severe problems with quality and durability > as well as total cost of ownership. > Yas sir folks! Only 1500 US Dollars for a brake job at 35,000 miles on > the 2006 Ultra LS 430 ! They tell me the rotors cost $200 each. Why does it take 2 hours to do a > brake job now? 1500 total - 400 rotors - 300 (assuming two hours of labor @ 150 per hour) - 100 pads = 700 whining surcharge? No McBrue. Your LS 430 Ultra brakes are lousy because it does NOT have a Brembo setup. Brembos are performance systems commonly used on true luxury cars like Mercedes, BMW, Maserati, etc. However, more inspired mainstream manufacturers do spend more for Brembos. > Yas sir folks! Only 1500 US Dollars for a brake job at 35,000 miles on > the 2006 Ultra LS 430 ! Step right up and get em here while we still [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > brand with its obviously severe problems with quality and durability > as well as total cost of ownership. |
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