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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / April 2009If you're hungry for power or fuel efficiency, beware of a scam like this one:
> Improve Gas Mileage by 20+% >You can now increase your gas mileage by 20% or more, guarantied. Four (4) >month trial period. Money back guaranty. Call the number above or send me > an email its a simple connection to a vacuum line, the Gas Saver adds > microscopic >quantities of platinum to the air-fuel mixture entering your engine. >Platinum has the unique ability to make non-burning fuel burn. With >platinum in >the flame zone, you increase the percentage of fuel burning inside the >engine from 68% of each gallon to 90% of each gallon, a 22% increase. >Since unburned fuel leaving an engine is pollution, this 22% of each >gallon would >normally burn when it reaches the platinum of the catalytic converter. >Unfortunately, the converter's platinum burns this fuel in the tailpipe, >where the heat > and energy produced from burning this fuel cannot be harnessed to drive > your vehicle. I have never heard of such thing. Energy is produced inside the engine which causes the compression to move the flying disc. Not in the tailpipe as he claims, even if his thing burns the unburn fuel in the tailpipe, it will throw away that extra energy. This guy wants to give you 4-month trial, not even for a second will I try it. Some people believe they can increase the mileage through a magnet, that's another phony theory. You can tell from the uneducated sellers. I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never rule anything out completely. http://www.engineerlive.com/Energy-Solutions/Automation_Systems/Magnetic_fuel_tr eatment_management_system_reduces_energy_consumption/19711/ Striker >> Improve Gas Mileage by 20+% >>You can now increase your gas mileage by 20% or more, guarantied. Four (4) [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > Some people believe they can increase the mileage through a magnet, that's > another phony theory. You can tell from the uneducated sellers. >I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this > technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Striker You can use magnet to remove tiny metals off from your fuel, but there is no way that a magnet can change the bonding of Gasoline molecules. Why? Because in every Gasoline molecule, carbon is the only Atom that holds on to itself (or to its own kind(carbon)) and to other atoms very securely. Sounds like people need to go back to chemistry class. Why many goofy people tried to use fancy word to lie to general public? For a more complete consideration of magnetic fuel devices, check out http://www.fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm >>I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this >> technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Sounds like people need to go back to chemistry class. Why many goofy > people tried to use fancy word to lie to general public? >>>I would agree that this guy probably is a snake oil salesman, BUT this >>> technology is being studied in industrial boiler applications. Never [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> Sounds like people need to go back to chemistry class. Why many goofy >> people tried to use fancy word to lie to general public? > For a more complete consideration of magnetic fuel devices, check out > http://www.fuelsaving.info/magnets.htm Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune to research the cure for oil crisis. If you believe your magnet works, please bring your car to show off with our car (that we have doubled in mileage.) Can you bring yours to Seattle KOMO TV or KIRO 7 TV sometimes next week? This way we can prove who is real. Thanks. GasSaver > Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't > notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > GasSaver Hi, I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of battery used in hybrids can be recharged at most several hundred times?- so after that it needs to be replaced. How many years would such a battery last? Thanks, Boris >> Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't >> notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Thanks, > Boris Don't know the battery specifics, but I have a neighbor who recently purchased a midsize Ford hybrid. It's like an Escape or ??, it's about the size of a Honda Pilot. He told me that the thing has a 96HP electric motor which, of course, does most of the start and stop heavy work. He also says that the batter(y)(ies), in the rear of the vehicle, are covered by a special warranty for eight years, or 100K miles. The vehicle warranty is three years, or 36K miles. >>> Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't >>> notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a fortune [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > or 100K miles. The vehicle warranty is three > years, or 36K miles. Sounds right under moderate drive. I'm not sure if Boris is trying to test our knowledge. Every battery has its limitation, if you brake hard (you put in 2A, you only get 1A in return approximately), this explains why some people get 25-32mph on a hybrid. If you want more mileage, plan ahead and try to avoid braking. If you're in a rush, speeding and braking won't save you energy, only with our tune-up vehicles you can speed and brake often, you still will come better than a hybrid 37-41mpg usually on aggressive drive, otherwise 51mpg. GasSaver >>>> Thank you Jay. I tried your magnet on my fuel line in 1982, I didn't >>>> notice any change on my car fuel economy; that's why we spent a [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > GasSaver Correction: > people get 25-32mpg on a hybrid for agressive drive. >> Sounds right under moderate drive. I'm not sure if Boris is trying to >> test [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Correction: > people get 25-32mpg on a hybrid for agressive drive. I see. Why do they prefer diesel cars in Europe (as opposed to hybrids)? Also, I have a subie - when I go skiing I never need chains, even in deep snow (unless road is completely closed for traffic - then I can't use it obiously). From reviews (for example, at edmunds.com) Lexus RX hybrid doesn't have a potent AWD system. Boris > From reviews (for example, at edmunds.com) Lexus RX hybrid doesn't have a > potent AWD system. OOPS - sorry: Edmunds says that about Highlander, Lexus RX review doesn't say anything about AWD system. >>>>>>>>PASTE>>>>>>>>>> Cons Third-row seats fold as one piece rather than in split sections, not suitable for off-road or serious winter duties. <<<<<<<PASTE<<<<<<<<<< http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/highlanderhybrid/2009/review.html Boris >>> Sounds right under moderate drive. I'm not sure if Boris is trying to >>> test [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> Correction: > people get 25-32mpg on a hybrid for agressive drive. > I see. Why do they prefer diesel cars in Europe (as opposed to hybrids)? There are 4 good reasons, 1)for durability 2)for 50% more fuel efficiency(diesel costs more so you come out about 25% better than gasoline) 3)room 4)security. > Also, I have a subie - when I go skiing I never need chains, even in deep > snow (unless road is completely closed for traffic - then I can't use it > obiously). From reviews (for example, at edmunds.com) Lexus RX hybrid > doesn't have a potent AWD system. > Boris You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in MPG. We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output. GasSaver And in a number of countries diesel fuel is (or was) MUCH cheaper than petrol, tho' there might also have been a compensatory tax on the car... it's a complex issue. In this context it is noteworthy that Britain was late to take to diesel. The fuel did have a price advantage but no longer since the tax rates were aligned with petrol. DAS To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" --- [...] > There are 4 good reasons, 1)for durability 2)for 50% more fuel > efficiency(diesel costs more so you come out about 25% better than > gasoline) 3)room 4)security. [...] > You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in > MPG. > We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output. How would I do that? Which technology would I use? Boris >> You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in >> MPG. >> We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output. >How would I do that? Which technology would I use? Snake oil. >>> You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in >>> MPG. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Snake oil. Typical guess from common ignorance. There is one American man making over millions for turning a HUMMER into a 30mpg. I bet you don't believe that news neither, but I believe it because we do similar thing here. > HUMMER into a > 30mpg Anyone who can convert solid matter into a mathmatical measurement is selling themselves short if they only make millions. By reversing the process they could have billions.  SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 >> HUMMER into a >> 30mpg [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > By reversing the process they could have billions. Thanks Carl for your advice. I don't think it's easy to understand someone else's design. For instance, fixing dragging brake problem, you tried it 6-7 times, the same problem returns. That's why we don't disclose our technique. We have to sell short a little bit while pending for a patent. ------ For only 4% of a hybrid cost, OFS can turn any vehicle into a hybrid-like vehicle. It's called Fuel-Efficiency Tune-up. It increases gas mileage and horse power without harming the vehicle like the N2O technique. http://www.extra150miles.com on 4/20/2009 10:57 AM (ET) GasSaver wrote the following: > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > patent. > Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically (springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum). SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >> Thanks Carl for your advice. I don't think it's easy to understand >> someone else's design. For instance, fixing dragging brake problem, you [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically >(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum). Pads don't rub in a properly setup set of disk brakes. on 4/22/2009 11:53 AM (ET) me wrote the following: > >>> Thanks Carl for your advice. I don't think it's easy to understand [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Pads don't rub in a properly setup set of disk brakes. > Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY In the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on >automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles. Dismantle and clean the calipers and pistons and put in a new rubber ring. Machine or replace the rotors if they are scored or worn out of spec. Not really rocket science. >>Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on >>automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles. > > Dismantle and clean the calipers and pistons and put in a new rubber > ring. Machine or replace the rotors if they are scored or worn out of > spec. Not really rocket science. On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work, because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust itself. Cheers, GasSaver. BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any models C230 - E320 to triple mileage. Thanks to our Friction-2-Energy technologies, it makes a big difference. www.extra150miles.com >On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike >fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work, >because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust >itself. I guess when YOU do it you have to do everything 5-6 times, you a.shole! How does a disk brake readjust itself, moron? >>On Mercedes-Benz's, fixing dragging brake is not too difficult, unlike >>fixing the Japanese's ones. In any cases do double-check your work, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > How does a disk brake readjust itself, moron? Hosnest answer for a poor mechanic: As I state above concerning Japanese brakes, look at the rear brakes careful, in a caliper, there is a piston equipped with 4 holes on its surface, this piston pushes/pinches your brake pads against the rotor. The piston can move forward but not backward far enough, due a notch of your brake pads that got locked in one of the 4 holes. When the pads worn out, the pads get pushed in further to pinch the rotor causing another terrible friction. This action is called Self-adjust brake system. Should I go further educating you poor mechanic? If you think you know more why you failed to understand this simple thing? Last week you said you were impressed with our findings, then you ask me to bring more free ideas to you, No matter what you say now, you can't have our ideas for free you cheap robber. Good luck to your strategies! >Last week you said you were impressed with our findings, then you ask me to >bring more free ideas to you, No matter what you say now, you can't have >our ideas for free you cheap robber. You just don't understand sarcasm either, do you? Please do not post anymore of your nonsense here if you think people might just read (steal?) them, idiot. >>>Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on >>>automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >because usually the same problem return 5-6 times due to brake re-adjust >itself. You don't know very much about cars, do ya? Care to explain how they'd "re-adjust"? And how is it that my Lexus doesn't "re-adjust"? Signaturegburnore@databasix dot com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ DataBasix | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ 3 4 1 4 2 ݳ޳ 6 9 0 6 9 ÝÛ³ Black Helicopter Repair Svcs Division | Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== Want one? GET one! http://signup.databasix.com =========================================================================== >>>>Please enlighten me on how to set up hydraulic disk brakes on >>>>automobiles, as opposed to mechanical disk brakes on bicycles. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You don't know very much about cars, do ya? Care to explain how they'd > "re-adjust"? And how is it that my Lexus doesn't "re-adjust"? Honest answer for another poor mechanic: As I state above concerning Japanese brakes, look at the rear brakes carefully, in a caliper, there is a piston equipped with 4 holes on its surface, this piston pushes/pinches your brake pads against the rotor. The piston can move forward but not backward far enough, due a notch of your brake pads that got locked in one of the 4 holes. When the pads worn out, the pads get pushed in further to pinch the rotor causing another terrible friction. This action is called Self-adjust brake system. Should I go further educating you poor mechanic? If you think you know more why you failed to understand this simple thing? Last week you said you were impressed with our findings, then you ask me to bring more free ideas to you, No matter what you say now, you can't have our ideas for free you cheap robber. Good luck to your strategies! >Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not >retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against >the rotor causing friction in the form of a minuscule braking force. The >solution is to have the pads retract from the rotor mechanically >(springs?) or hydraulically (negative fluid pressure/vacuum). I don't why you guys keep discussing this garbage with an obvious snake oil salesman, but you don't have to rebuild very many calipers to know that the rubber ring around the piston acts both as a seal and as a retracting device. It doesn't pull it back much, but it's enough to lift the pad off the rotor. >>Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not >>retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > as a retracting device. It doesn't pull it back much, but it's enough > to lift the pad off the rotor. Hey guys, There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be easy to manage the speed. We solve this problem by converting the brake friction to energy and restore it back to a battery. Most people are ignorant when it comes to battery power. You need to have plenty of battery's power in order to produce powerful ignition. That's why OFS creates a device to convert friction-to-energy by increasing electrical load on your alternator just briefly when you're slowing down, when you brake and when you come down hill too fast. That's why we are able to reach 90-mpg on Mercedes-Benz by reusing that power capturing during vehicle slowing down. Cheers, GasSaver BTW - We already reached 90-mpg on converting Mercedes-Benz's any models C220 - E320 to triple mileage with superior power. Thanks to our Friction-2-Energy technology, it makes a big difference. www.extra150miles.com > There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on > your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be > easy to manage the speed. We solve this problem by converting the brake > friction to energy and restore it back to a battery. Codswallop 1. > Most people are ignorant when it comes to battery power. You need to > have plenty of > battery's power in order to produce powerful ignition. Codswallop 2. > That's why OFS creates a device to convert friction-to-energy by > increasing electrical load on your alternator just briefly when you're > slowing down, when you brake and when you come down hill too fast. > That's why we are able to reach 90-mpg on Mercedes-Benz by reusing > that power capturing during vehicle slowing down. Codswallop 3. And a possible overcharged battery to boot. You're never going to recoup even a skerric of regenerative braking energy by producing a 0.0384% fatter spark. Or by overcharging the battery now, so as to briefly and marginally reduce the alternator load in a few minutes' time. There's also no doubt that drivers can improve fuel consumption dramatically when they're trying to prove a point by driving very economically. John >There's also no doubt that drivers can improve fuel consumption >dramatically when they're trying to prove a point by driving >very economically. This is it in a nutshell. As with fake diet pills that say "well it didn't work because you didn't eat right and exercise regularly", it's not the pill that did it but eating right and exercising regularly. The FTC should go back to crackdown mode on things like this. Signaturegburnore@databasix dot com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ DataBasix | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ 3 4 1 4 2 ݳ޳ 6 9 0 6 9 ÝÛ³ Black Helicopter Repair Svcs Division | Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== Want one? GET one! http://signup.databasix.com =========================================================================== >>>Unlike drum brakes, which have retracting springs, disk brakes do not >>>retract when the pedal is released, therefore the pads can rub against [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be >easy to manage the speed. You're a troll, right? You don't REALLY believe what you're writing, RIGHT? >We solve this problem by converting the brake >friction to energy and restore it back to a battery. Most people are >ignorant Oh, nice pkb. > when it comes to battery power. You need to have plenty of >battery's power in order to produce powerful ignition. That's why OFS [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >reach 90-mpg on Mercedes-Benz by reusing that power capturing during >vehicle slowing down. Snake oil works better than what you sell. Signaturegburnore@databasix dot com --------------------------------------------------------------------------- How you look depends on where you go. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gary L. Burnore | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ DataBasix | ÝÛ³ºÝ³Þ³ºÝ³³Ýۺݳ޳ºÝ³Ý³Þ³ºÝ³ÝÝÛ³ | ÝÛ³ 3 4 1 4 2 ݳ޳ 6 9 0 6 9 ÝÛ³ Black Helicopter Repair Svcs Division | Official Proof of Purchase =========================================================================== Want one? GET one! http://signup.databasix.com =========================================================================== > There is a reason why carmakers allow substantial amount of frictions on > your brake. If remove it too much, the car will go too fast, it won't be > easy to manage the speed. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Breathe Hahahahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa repeat. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 > In article <WNqdnUxXQ7mxTHLUnZ2dnUVZ_vudn...@posted.toastnet>, > GasSaverNos...@Extra150miles.com says... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > repeat. > -- It is quite amazing that anyone could make so many foolish statements, one after the other. This one may be the best one yet. We're supposed to believe that auto manfacturers, desperate to do anything to get even a tiny increase in MPG to meet CAFRA standards and sell more cars, intentionally design in brake friction when the brakes aren't applied to "manage the speed." The BS about needing extra battery power to achieve proper ignition spark is a close runner up. The amount of power needed to crank the engine is orders of magnitude more than that required to provide ignition. Just take a look at the size of the wires going to the starter and the ignition. The starter one is easy to find, it's huge. The ignition one is so inconsequential you can't even distinguish it from all the other wires. Plus, last time I checked, when the car is running, the alternator is what is actually providing the power for all the various electrical systems in the car, regardless of the size of the battery. He does not sell snake oil. Gas Saver sells a perpetual motion machine. DAS To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" --- [...] > I don't why you guys keep discussing this garbage with an obvious > snake oil salesman [...] >> You don't need a new 2009 Toyota Highlander Hybrid for 25% increase in >> MPG. >> We can turn your regular SUV for 30% or better MPG output. > How would I do that? Which technology would I use? > > Boris Same gasoline technologies. We have nothing to hide, everything is revealed at our web site www.extra150miles.com. When our cars move, they moves swiftly, you don't normally hear the engine noise. That proves we make your engine work less hard. When out-of-gas light is one, you can still go 100-120 miles with ours. That proves the ECU thinks it can go 40 miles only because we don't mess around with the car's software. > We have nothing to hide, everything is > revealed at our web site That's the web site which says: "Some people want to know how we eliminate the frictions. Sorry we do not disclose our invention / technique to general public." -- >> We have nothing to hide, everything is >> revealed at our web site > > That's the web site which says: "Some people want to know how we > eliminate the frictions. Sorry we do not disclose our invention / > technique to general public." That's correct sir, many people want to know our secrets, even BMW, and Mercedes-Benz. Understand this, you do not get detailed design from Honda / Toyota neither about their hybrid vehicles. They tell you briefly about their battery system to confuse you, in reality you get the most out of better mechanism and better chemical reaction. If your intention is to save fuel then you will be fine OFS. We will explain in person how thing works, for example if you want extra horse power, we would ask your permission to do a little modification to your air intake (not all tune-up will need this requirement), the little change won't be noticeable outside your vehicle. You can do your regular oil change, air filter change etc.. Our tune-up won't interfere with your routine maintenance. Let me remind you, severe economic stress is coming ahead, do not let it force you to make a practical decision the last minute, do plan ahead. We lower our prices substantially comparing to the last 3-yrs. You would want people with experience in electrical system, in computer logic processing, in better mechanism, and in chemistry to take good care of your car. Good luck with your decision. GasSaver. PS. Energy is not created in the tailpipe like some people think, it's in your combustion. More Energy = Better compression + Reduced loads. >That's correct sir, many people want to know our secrets, even BMW, and >Mercedes-Benz. And of course, BMW and Mercedes are unable to come up with $1300 to buy one of your devices and then reverse engineer it. I can see that that would be a stumbling block for them. >>That's correct sir, many people want to know our secrets, even BMW, and >>Mercedes-Benz. > > And of course, BMW and Mercedes are unable to come up with $1300 to > buy one of your devices and then reverse engineer it. I can see that > that would be a stumbling block for them. Another flaw in your logic processing. No, they want to own it outright, this is what they said "Show us first, No NDA". Would you give your life saving away to the rich men? >Another flaw in your logic processing. > >No, they want to own it outright, this is what they said "Show us first, No >NDA". > >Would you give your life saving away to the rich men? As you're such a good manufacturer, how come you use a public news server (yahoo) instead of having your own? I think you're a one man back street rip off merchant. SignatureClive > In message <NbedneMDL-VFT3nUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdn...@posted.toastnet>, GasSaver > <GasSa...@NoResponse.yahoo.com> writes>Another flaw in your logic processing. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > >Would you give your life saving away to the rich men? Why would an auto manufacturer have to have anyone show it to them? All they have to do is get hold of one car that's been modified and see what's been done to it. > As you're such a good manufacturer, how come you use a public news > server (yahoo) instead of having your own? I think you're a one man > back street rip off merchant. > -- > Clive > No, they want to own it outright, this is what they said "Show us first, No > NDA". And when you say no, they buy one, reverse engineer it and make their version public putting you out of business. If they stopped at the first no, they didn't think it was that important. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 > How would I do that? Which technology would I use? From http://www.extra150miles.com/Technicaldata.html "Sorry we do not disclose our invention / technique to general public. " John >> How would I do that? Which technology would I use? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > John Read the front page. > Read the front page. I'm more concerned about your fictions than my frictions [sic]. John >> Read the front page. > > I'm more concerned about your fictions than my frictions [sic]. > > John Thanks but don't be. I bet these guys are smarter than you, their thinking still have some flaws, they argued for 5 years with no result and we already got it done and tested. http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Boiled_20Gasoline_20Engine/addnote#addnote GasSaver schrieb: >>> Read the front page. >> I'm more concerned about your fictions than my frictions [sic]. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Boiled_20Gasoline_20Engine/addnote#addnote Perhaps one could make a Madoff business of it. You pay the not saved gas to earlier customers by the money influx paid by new customers for your donothing. You need only to guarantee a double cashback in case of failure. SignatureRoland Franzius > GasSaver schrieb: >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > your donothing. You need only to guarantee a double cashback in case of > failure. Hey it's amazing, Roland you got Gordon's brain, you two think alike: news:W9mdnU35W_Er1nnUnZ2dnUVZ_iydnZ2d@posted.toastnet No my dear friends, all men are Not created equally. Some are more gifted than others. If you don't have the money, just talk nice to me and I will give it to you freely, but there is a catch! GasSaver@extra150miles.com I thought you got rid of the catch (friction)... DAS To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" --- [...] > but there is a catch! > > GasSaver@extra150miles.com > I bet these guys are smarter than you, their thinking still > have some flaws, they argued for 5 years with no result and we > already got it done and tested. http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Boiled_20Gasoline_20Engine/addnote#addnote They well may be (smarter than I), but I see absolutely no evidence of it. If they're correct, then (by parity of reasoning), running on LPG should be much more /fuel/ /efficient/ than running on liquid fuel. It isn't. In company with yourself, if their engineering is as good as their grammar and their logic, they should be avoided like the plague. John >They well may be (smarter than I), but I see absolutely no >evidence of it. If they're correct, then (by parity of >reasoning), running on LPG should be much more /fuel/ /efficient/ >than running on liquid fuel. > >It isn't. Good point, well made. LPG is half the price of petrol here to try and get people to take it up but it's reported in car magazines to be only about 85% as efficient as petrol. SignatureClive >>They well may be (smarter than I), but I see absolutely no >>evidence of it. If they're correct, then (by parity of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Good point, well made. LPG is half the price of petrol here to try and > get people to take it up but it's reported in car magazines to be only > about 85% as efficient as petrol. Correct if you run propane alone. You guys make too quick assumption, you haven't studied any chemical transitions have you? I see many people on the internet playing too much with equations, no support evidences. Any way remember, you're not on full horse power as autosellers want you to believe. GasSaver > n message <74jfqtF13jt8nU1@mid.individual.net>, John Henderson > <jhenRemoveThis@talk21.com> writes [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > get people to take it up but it's reported in car magazines to be only > about 85% as efficient as petrol. 85% as efficient in an engine built to run petrol and tweaked to run LPG. If an engine is built to run LPG, higher compression, stronger ignition system, more ignition advance, different ignition curve and a high boost turbo, you not only get higher performance, you also get similar instead of inferior fuel consumption levels, and retain the clean burning characteristics of LPG. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 >If an engine is built to run LPG, higher compression, stronger ignition >system, more ignition advance, different ignition curve and a high boost >turbo, you not only get higher performance, you also get similar instead >of inferior fuel consumption levels, and retain the clean burning >characteristics of LPG. There's something wrong with your ideas. LPG or Propane is a shorter chain molecule than petrol and therefore will have a lower flash point than petrol, requiring if anything lower compression and certainly not more advanced timing than petrol. Increasing boost pressure allows more fuel to be burnt giving more power, but at the expense of greater fuel usage. So you still end up with only 85% efficiency compared to petrol. Don't forget what happened when the EU tried to get diesel engines to run on any fuel from diesel to petrol, after getting over the injection pump wear issues, it was found that petrol was sticking to the cylinder walls instead of a clean burn and a 25mpg diesel engine would only give about 13mpg when used with petrol. SignatureClive >>If an engine is built to run LPG, higher compression, stronger ignition >>system, more ignition advance, different ignition curve and a high boost [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > fuel usage. So you still end up with only 85% efficiency compared to > petrol. Clive, Chemically you describe things correctly but you said there is no gain from mixing LPG with gasoline, that is just your theory, it isn't a reality. I gain 8-10mpg on top of my 50mpg. Remember Gasoline and Propane are present at the same time, you get a quick and long burning stroke. LPG burns first then its heat burns any unburnt Gasoline making each stroke a more complete burn. When I shut off my LPG tank, I can see a drop in horse power and in fuel efficiency by about 10mpg. 1-gallon of LPG is good for 14gallons of Gasoline. Any way do google for propane tanks for trucks, I've found a manufacturer in US selling them quite expensive around $900 a tank to be used with the same technique. Also do a search on a patent site, someone already file a patent for this idea. I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be wrong. The only thing I don't like about selling LPG mixture with Gasoline to general public is, it's dangerous with the way people handling the tank. Customers can blew themselves up easily and blame their problem on someone else. GasSaver >Chemically you describe things correctly but you said there is no gain from >mixing LPG with gasoline, that is just your theory, it isn't a reality. I >gain 8-10mpg on top of my 50mpg. Remember Gasoline and Propane are present >at the same time, you get a quick and long burning stroke. LPG burns first >then its heat burns any unburnt Gasoline making each stroke a more complete >burn. Rubbish, the amount of fuel introduced into the cylinders is a stoichiometric ratio for complete combustion, adding more hydrocarbons (that's what LPG is) will destroy this mixture and lead to unburned fuel pouring out of the exhaust, polluting the atmosphere and costing money to the person that try's. >When I shut off my LPG tank, I can see a drop in horse power and in fuel >efficiency by about 10mpg. 1-gallon of LPG is good for 14gallons of >Gasoline. Any way do google for propane tanks for trucks, I've found a >manufacturer in US selling them quite expensive around $900 a tank to be >used with the same technique. Also do a search on a patent site, someone >already file a patent for this idea. Just because you've filed a patent, it doesn't stop it being rubbish. >I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be >wrong. You'd be right, considering that diesel engines are compression ignition engines the chances of pre-ignition with LPG in the air could seriously damage the whole drive chain. >The only thing I don't like about selling LPG mixture with Gasoline to >general public is, it's dangerous with the way people handling the tank. >Customers can blew themselves up easily and blame their problem on someone >else. As cars can be bought on the open market as LPG or petrol at the flick of a switch known as Duel Fuel cars, again you are talking rubbish, or would that be garbage in your broken English. >GasSaver SignatureClive > >I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be > >wrong. > You'd be right, considering that diesel engines are compression ignition > engines the chances of pre-ignition with LPG in the air could seriously > damage the whole drive chain. Diesel works just fine *with* LPG as additive, rather than LPG instead of diesel in a diesel engine. It works in a similar way on tuned diesel engines that nitrous oxide works on petrol engines. And just like the petrol equivalent, it works much better on forced induction engines than normally aspirated. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 > I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be > wrong. Running LPG as an additive rather than an alternative fuel in a high pressure boosted over fueled diesel turbo can work in a similar way to nitrous oxide in a petrol car. Turbo diesels reach a point where even with the boost up they can't suck in enough air to get enough oxygen to burn cleanly hence big soot on drag racing tractors and diesel dragsters and circuit racing trucks. Injecting propane not only gives an additional fuel burst, it also releases extra oxygen that can help with the excess diesel and remove some of the subsequent black smoke. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 >Turbo diesels reach a point where even with the boost up they can't suck >in enough air to get enough oxygen to burn cleanly hence big soot on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >releases extra oxygen that can help with the excess diesel and remove >some of the subsequent black smoke. If they can't suck in enough oxygen then LPG will make the problem even worse. SignatureClive >> I don't think mixing LPG for diesel engine is a good idea but I could be >> wrong. >> > Running LPG as an additive rather than an alternative fuel in a high > pressure boosted over fueled diesel turbo can work in a similar way to > nitrous oxide in a petrol car. agreed. > Turbo diesels reach a point where even with the boost up they can't suck > in enough air to get enough oxygen to burn cleanly hence big soot on > drag racing tractors and diesel dragsters and circuit racing trucks. agreed. > Injecting propane not only gives an additional fuel burst, it also > releases extra oxygen that can help with the excess diesel and remove > some of the subsequent black smoke. Except the lack of OXYGEN will occur. > Carl Robson > Get cashback on your purchases > Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm > Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 Hi Carl, There is one customer waiting for us to improve his diesel truck. I would try increase OXYGEN flow first before adding LPG. He lives in a hot climate, I'm not sure if I want to add LPG for him. I'm afraid his mishandling LP tank could cause him a good grief, later his family could accuse us. If LPG is added OXYGEN level has to be increased otherwise your engine will stall. I've seen this problem on Gasoline engines several times. Nitrous oxide (N2O or NOS), sounds good except it can damage your engine's pistons particularly if your car has bad frictions. There is a limit of compression stroke on each cylinder. With Zero-friction like Mercedes-Benz's *(that we are able to correct), I'm fraid N2O is not suitable to be added, maybe if we can control the amount N2O. Refilling N2O tank is a major issue, you may need a license. Currently we are able to turn frictions into energy and we are very proud of our work. GasSaver@extra150miles.com > Currently we are able to turn frictions into energy and we are very proud > of our work. You mean you can convert one form of energy into another. Thats the law. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 > There's something wrong with your ideas. LPG or Propane is a shorter > chain molecule than petrol and therefore will have a lower flash point [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > fuel usage. So you still end up with only 85% efficiency compared to > petrol. Seriously, look into proper LPG optimisation. LPG has a lower calorific value so requires more fuel, but has a higher octane so can handle more advance and compression before pre-ignition. Using sequential injection rather than a simple gas ring in the inlet and the correct ignition and compression (or artificially raised through forced induction) you can at least equal petrol efficiency. It isn't rocket science, LPG is the ideal for for turbo boosting and because of the better resistance to knock, you don't need to over-richen the mixture to reduce the risk of knock. Petrol and diesel engines very often run massively rich under boost to cool the engine to keep the knock down. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 >Petrol and diesel engines very >often run massively rich under boost to cool the engine to keep the >knock down. You've been reading too many comic books, or perhaps you just believe everything you read. SignatureClive > >Petrol and diesel engines very > >often run massively rich under boost to cool the engine to keep the > >knock down. > You've been reading too many comic books, or perhaps you just believe > everything you read. Just experience that manufacturers would rather throw your fuel, at providing extra protection, than their money at providing a replacement engine. They cover their own arses by using slight overfueling, using the additional fuel to cool the piston tops and avoid knock. It is a standard practice because production engines are no where near blueprinted and vary enough that you can't fine tune for varying driver use and the life of the vehicle. My old Celica GT4 (all-trac) used to cover the read valance with black soot (it was petrol) even though the emisions were well within the UK fairly strict MOT standards, it even ran rich after the boost was upped by 5PSI, right to the safe limit of the standard toyota fueling map/headgasket. SignatureCarl Robson Get cashback on your purchases Topcashback http://www.TopCashBack.co.uk/skraggy_uk/ref/index.htm Greasypalm http://www.greasypalm.co.uk/r/?l=1006553 > Don't know the battery specifics, but I have a > neighbor who recently purchased a midsize [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > or 100K miles. The vehicle warranty is three > years, or 36K miles. I currently drive a car that's 8+ years old and has 90K+ miles on it - hoping to keep it for 2-3 more years. I feel that car technology could change significantly over the next several years - not sure it's worth buying a new gas or even hybrid vehicle now. Boris > I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of > battery used in hybrids can be recharged at most several > hundred times?- so after that it needs to be replaced. How many > years would such a battery last? Hybrids usually use NiMH (nickel metal hydride) batteries. Generally, 500 to 1,000 full discharge/charge cycles is about the upper limit for the life of such a battery. But hybrid cars don't discharge their batteries very deeply at all. So the above figures become somewhat meaningless. In that situation, what's important is the cumulative total energy taken from / returned to the battery. And just age and temperature related degradation. We'll really have to wait and see as a history develops for this battery chemistry in this application. John >> I have a question about hybrids: is it true that kind of >> battery used in hybrids can be recharged at most several [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > John Thanks for the info. What about plug-in cars (like Tesla)? Will their batteries die rather fast? Boris > Thanks for the info. What about plug-in cars (like Tesla)? Will > their batteries die rather fast? I'd expect so - shorter life that those used in hybrids. I haven't researched the battery types used in full-electric cars, but I'd expect them to be more exotic chemistries, selected with very strong emphasis on the energy-to-weight ratio. John |
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