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U.S. criticizes Toyota for 'misleading' public in recall
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john - 06 Nov 2009 05:02 GMT http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091105/AUTO01/911050362/1148/auto01/U.S.-cr iticizes-Toyota-for--misleading--public-in-recall
David Shepardson / Detroit News Washington Bureau
Washington -- The government sharply criticized Toyota Motor Corp. Wednesday for its "inaccurate and misleading" suggestion that sudden acceleration in some vehicles bound for recall may be due only to improperly fitting floor mats.
The National Highway Transportation Safety Administration's criticism of Toyota's statement is the latest hit to the automaker's reputation from what will be the largest safety recall in its history: 3.8 million vehicles.
NHTSA said Toyota inaccurately suggested in a press release this week that the agency had concluded "that no defect exists in vehicles in which the driver's floor mat is compatible with the vehicle and properly secured," the agency said in a statement.
"It was never our intention to mislead or provide inaccurate information. Toyota agrees with NHTSA's position that the removal of the floor mats is an interim measure and that further vehicle-based action is required," said Toyota spokesman Brian Lyons.
"We are in the process of developing vehicle-based remedies to help avoid the potential for an unsecured or incompatible floor mat to trap the accelerator pedal."
On Monday, Toyota refuted suggestions that other defects might be causing the accidental acceleration, and pointed to the government's decision not to investigate a consumer complaint.
Bob Carter, general manager of the Toyota-brand division of Toyota Motor Sales USA, told reporters there is "absolutely no evidence" pointing to a defect other than poor-fitting floor mats.
Sean Kane, president of Massachusetts-based Safety Research & Strategies, said Toyota was "waving the agency's denial of the latest petition for a defect investigation like a victory banner."
While NHTSA hasn't found a vehicle-based defect that is causing unwanted acceleration, "it doesn't mean there isn't one," he said. "It just means that the agency hasn't found it."
NHTSA says removing the recalled floor mats is the most immediate way to address the safety risk.
"But it is simply an interim measure. This remedy does not correct the underlying defect in the vehicles involving the potential for entrapment of the accelerator by floor mats, which is related to accelerator and floor pan design," the agency said.
Kevin John SmallBone - 06 Nov 2009 23:12 GMT > http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091105/AUTO01/911050362/1148/auto01/U.S.-cr iticizes-Toyota-for--misleading--public-in-recall If only you could afford a TOYOTA. Too bad.
Mike Hunter - 07 Nov 2009 20:28 GMT Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over priced, should be the question. ;)
>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091105/AUTO01/911050362/1148/auto01/U.S.-cr iticizes-Toyota-for--misleading--public-in-recall > > If only you could afford a TOYOTA. Too bad. Sharx35 - 08 Nov 2009 00:15 GMT > Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the > market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over > priced, should be the question. ;) FORD----Fix Or Repair Daily
>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091105/AUTO01/911050362/1148/auto01/U.S.-cr iticizes-Toyota-for--misleading--public-in-recall >> >> If only you could afford a TOYOTA. Too bad. jr92 - 08 Nov 2009 05:47 GMT > > Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the > > market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - Show quoted text - On a quiet night, you can hear the frame of a Toyota Tundra rusting.
On a quiet night, you can hear an auto technication,working on the most recalled, most unliable automobile ever produceded, Toyota.
On a noisy night, you can hear a Toyota, which had a throttle stick wide open, crash into a tree.
Hopefully, the driver of such vechicles will wise up, and purchase US products from now on.
And even get better fuel milage in the process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dsi1 - 08 Nov 2009 08:19 GMT >> Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on >> the market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered >> and/or over priced, should be the question. ;) > > FORD----Fix Or Repair Daily Here's Ford's vision for the future. Finally, a car I can afford!
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ford_unveils_new_car_for_cash
Kevin John SmallBone - 09 Nov 2009 03:48 GMT >>> Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on >>> the market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://www.theonion.com/content/video/ford_unveils_new_car_for_cash WOW - Maybe john can afford another car!
C. E. White - 08 Nov 2009 16:18 GMT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> Newsgroups: alt.autos.toyota,alt.autos.toyota.camry,alt.autos.toyota.prius,alt.autos.lexus,rec.autos.tech Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: Re: U.S. criticizes Toyota for 'misleading' public in recall
> Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the > market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over > priced, should be the question. ;) Not always true...at leat for my Mother. We looked at vehicles from Ford, Toyota, and Honda and decided the Highlander best met here requirments. The closest Ford was an Edge and the MSRP was thousands more with less standard equipment. With rebates it came close to the same and the Edge did have a V6 instead of th Hghlander's four, but this was irrelevant to m y Mother. I think everyone in my family agreed that the Highlander was a far better vehicle for the money for my Mother.
Ed
>>> http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091105/AUTO01/911050362/1148/auto01/U.S.-cr iticizes-Toyota-for--misleading--public-in-recall >> >> If only you could afford a TOYOTA. Too bad. Wayne - 08 Nov 2009 16:39 GMT > Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the > market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over > priced, should be the question. ;) Right. I have a Lexus, and my next car will be from Government Motors. I had a GM car before the Lexus, and I enjoyed visiting a mechanic every three weeks. ;)
Jeff Strickland - 08 Nov 2009 16:49 GMT > Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the > market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over > priced, should be the question. ;) Sorry dude, but my brand new GM car has convinced me that I should never ever buy a new car again, and a GM car should be at or near the bottom of my list.
I bought a brand new '85 Chevy that was by far the absolute worst car I've ever bought. By far. The Pinto that they gave me for a company car on my very first job after high school was a better car. The '82 Honda Accord that I owned at teh same time as the '85 Chevy was a better car, by a wide margin. I traded the '85 fully loaded Chevy for a base model '86 Accord, and I got the better car when the deal was done.
Sorry man, but if others had the experience I had with my Chevy, having the government take the company over only makes me ask two questions, Why did they do it? and Why did it take so long?
C. E. White - 08 Nov 2009 21:09 GMT >> Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the >> market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the government take the company over only makes me ask two questions, Why > did they do it? and Why did it take so long? So you last owned a GM car in 1986? Don't you think things might have changed in 23 years? The last Toyota I owned was also over 20 years ago, and it was a horrid POS. However when my Mother needed a new car I didn't assume all Toyotas were as bad as that POS (although judging by some of my neighbor's Toyotas, they still can turn out some real POS's).
My experience has been that every manufacturer can screw up and produce some real turkeys. But they also can get it right too. I tend to pick cars more on my preceived needs than manfacturer. I've had really good luck with Fords, so in cases where Ford makes a vehicle that meets my precieved needs, I am more likelly to buy a Ford. However, when Ford doesn't make a vehicle like I need, then I'd buy from someone else (like the Toyota Highlander we just got for my Mother).
Ed
Kevin John SmallBone - 09 Nov 2009 03:47 GMT > Why would ANYBODY buy a Toyota when there are so many other brands on the > market, that are as good or better, that are not underpowered and/or over > priced, should be the question. ;) Why? Because they make quality products. A Toyota will go over 200,000 miles where a Chevy will break down before 80,000 miles. Don't understand? Check Consumer Reports. Did you also notice that GM and Chrysler are going bankrupt? Maybe they build sh.t.
jr92 - 08 Nov 2009 05:57 GMT > >http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20091105/AUTO01/911050362/1148/aut... > > If only you could afford a TOYOTA. Too bad. I cant afford to own a toyota.
have too far a distance to go from point A to B.
Need to drive,as opposed to walk, if my car breaks down.
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