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Car Forum / Lexus Cars / June 2004

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Trouble code: P1705

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DonW - 21 Jun 2004 00:41 GMT
Daughter's 95 ES300 with less than 60K miles has recently set trouble code
P1705.  Some web searching indicates code is related to a transmission
direct clutch sensor.  The car has no performance related symptoms, e.i.
runs fine.  After clearing the code, the trouble light stays off until the
next restart.  Suggested repairs have ranged from replacing the ecm (very
expensive) to replacing the direct clutch sensor (lest expensive).  Any
collective wisdom with this particular code would be appreciated.
TIA
dulles - 22 Jun 2004 16:37 GMT
Don,

Don't know if this maps exactly, but I have a 94 es300 and I bought the
Lexus manual..  The manual says:

Detection Item
"NC2" Revolution sensor circuit malfunction (direct clutch speed sensor)

Diagnostic Trouble Code Detecting Condition
Output of direct clutch speed sensor (NC2) is 300 rpm or less under
conditions a) and b)
(2 trip detection logic)
a) Vehicle speed:  32 km/hr (20 mph) or more
b) Park/neutral position switch: OFF

-d

> Daughter's 95 ES300 with less than 60K miles has recently set trouble code
> P1705.  Some web searching indicates code is related to a transmission
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> collective wisdom with this particular code would be appreciated.
> TIA
markjen - 23 Jun 2004 00:23 GMT
Sounds like a sensor to me.  I don't know why they'd be recommending
replacing the ECM - this would be like replacing your computer because the
keyboard doesn't work.

I'm just reading between lines, but I bet this sensor is used to sense when
to lock up the torque convertor.  Most modern automatics have a lock-up mode
in the torque convertor that directly couples the input and output of the
transmission, bypassing the torque convertor hydraulics, when in cruise
mode.  This gives better mileage.  Without the speed sensor working, this
lock-up feature is probably disabled.  It is not a huge deal, but I'd get it
fixed.

- Mark
markjen - 23 Jun 2004 00:34 GMT
Sounds like a sensor to me.  I don't know why they'd be recommending
replacing the ECM - this would be like replacing your computer because the
keyboard doesn't work.

I'm just reading between lines, but I bet this sensor is used to sense when
to lock up the torque convertor.  Most modern automatics have a lock-up mode
in the torque convertor that directly couples the input and output of the
transmission, bypassing the torque convertor hydraulics, when in cruise
mode.  This gives better mileage.  Without the speed sensor working, this
lock-up feature is probably disabled.  It is not a huge deal, but I'd get it
fixed.

- Mark
DonW - 23 Jun 2004 02:45 GMT
> Daughter's 95 ES300 with less than 60K miles has recently set trouble code
> P1705.  Some web searching indicates code is related to a transmission
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> collective wisdom with this particular code would be appreciated.
> TIA

Thanks to both for reply.  She probably wouldn't detect if the convertor was
locked or unlocked.  Agree she should get it fixed.
 
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