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Satillite Radio For 2004 ES330 w/Nav/ML
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David Z - 07 Aug 2004 01:42 GMT The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button. I understand that means that the car is "satellite radio ready." I read in an edmunds discussion group that a kit is going to be available soon to get XM Satellite radio, but the guy said it was going to cost about $800. This price sounds outrageous to me since I understand that an XM receiver costs about $125.
Does anyone have any information on this? Is there an aftermarket product?
markjen - 07 Aug 2004 02:08 GMT > The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button. I understand that > means that the car is "satellite radio ready." I read in an edmunds [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Does anyone have any information on this? Is there an aftermarket > product? I don't have specific information but it given that OEM car GPS systems, car phones, and stereo systems cost several times what add-on aftermarket systems costs, I bet this price is probably what you'll have to pay if you want an integrated system.
- Mark
New Owner - 07 Aug 2004 17:09 GMT The price you heard for the Lexus add-on is approx the same that I heard, and you're right, that's absurd. The aftermarket stuff will work, but of course doesn't "integrate" transparently, meaning that your radio display in the dash won't display the name of the artist & tune like it would otherwise. Also, there is no direct connection to the Lexus sound system available, meaning that you'd have to use the casette adaptor and set the selector to "tape". This works, tho the fidelity is lacking and audio purists won't be happy. Still $800 sure seems like a disproportionate amount of gelt to have to lay down just for the Lexus XM option. Anyone who goes for it is (IMO) living proof that a fool and his money are soon parted.
For anyone on the fence, let me just say this. I've got XM in my Dodge Ram pickup using an aftermarket kit, but it's hardwired in to an aux input on the sound system and so sounds really great. However, having had it for 3 months now I'm less enthusiastic about it today than I was when I first put it in. I enjoy '70 hits but it seems like XM plays a whole lot of the 'B-side' cuts and not a lot of what I bought it to hear.
It's in and I'll probably continue subscribing for a while longer, but if I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have bought it.
>The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button. I understand that >means that the car is "satellite radio ready." I read in an edmunds [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Does anyone have any information on this? Is there an aftermarket >product? David Z - 07 Aug 2004 17:20 GMT Thanks for the info.
I realize that you car buy an XM receiver and put it in any car. That's not what I meant by "aftermarket." When I said aftermarket, I was talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound system, etc. just like the Lexus kit.
> The price you heard for the Lexus add-on is approx the same that I heard, > and you're right, that's absurd. The aftermarket stuff will work, but of [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Does anyone have any information on this? Is there an aftermarket > >product? New Owner - 08 Aug 2004 02:13 GMT To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the way of any aftermarket auto sound equipment that will "integrate" or correctly hook straight up to any factory-original Lexus sound system, regardless of what it is.
Lexus has made sure that your fine Lexus car will either be "all Lexus" or else it will have to be butchered by "Dumb and Dumber" after which Lexus won't service that component anymore (except maybe tear it all out and replace it with a factory stock system again).
>Thanks for the info. > >I realize that you car buy an XM receiver and put it in any car. That's >not what I meant by "aftermarket." When I said aftermarket, I was >talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound >system, etc. just like the Lexus kit. Frank Fitzgerald - 08 Aug 2004 12:35 GMT My 04 LS430 had the AM /Satellite button. I added the Lexus XM tuner installed by the dealer. It was $740 and installed last December when they first came out. It is fully integrated and works great. The only problem is the Head unit only displays 12 characters of the 20 broadcast for song information. I recently got a dealer ad with a $400 special for XM installation This was from Lexus of Highland Park, just north of Chicago. This seems more reasonable with the tuner kit (Pioneer) costing around $200 non Lexus at Best Buy and 2 hrs dealer labor to install. By the way the non Lexus tuner kit from Pioneer doesn't have compatible connectors to use in a Lexus.
> To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the way of any aftermarket > auto sound equipment that will "integrate" or correctly hook straight up [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound > >system, etc. just like the Lexus kit. David Z - 08 Aug 2004 13:29 GMT Thanks for the info. Some questions:
- How's the sound quality compared to FM? compared to other XM receivers (i.e., do you get premium sound for the premium price)?
- Where's the antenna? How does it look?
> My 04 LS430 had the AM /Satellite button. I added the Lexus XM tuner > installed by the dealer. It was $740 and installed last December when they [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > >talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound > > >system, etc. just like the Lexus kit. New Owner - 08 Aug 2004 14:49 GMT >Thanks for the info. Some questions: > >- How's the sound quality compared to FM? compared to other XM >receivers (i.e., do you get premium sound for the premium price)? > >- Where's the antenna? How does it look? I'll let Frank address his Lexus experience. My own experience was with the little "Roady" aftermarket unit from Delphi ($99 special) and with installing it (non-integrated) in my Dodge Ram (club cab) pickup. Off-Topic for this group, but bear with me here.
I should start by saying my truck already has a mid-priced Pioneer aftermarket sound system in it with upgraded speakers, but no outboard amplifier and no sub woofers (and no idiotic "monster cable").
Not wanting to tear into the dash (again) I started by using the Roady's "FM Modulator" which provided a really quick and dirty hookup. The problem was that the fidelity was no better that an ordinary FM station, if anything, worse, noticeably lacking highs and lows. Major disappointment.
Next I tried the casette tape adaptor. This was a noticeable improvement in fidelity, but still nowhere near what I was led to believe was possible. My favorite tapes, even homemade copies still sounded much better.
Finally, at the recommendation of Mobile-One (local car audio store) the dash was opened up and a Pioneer interface cable kit ($30) was used to direct-wire the Roady's audio output to the Pioneer's aux input (intended for a multi-disk CD changer). While we had the dash apart it was also a good opportunity to conceal all the wiring and direct wire the 12v power lead (another adaptor required because the Roady is actually a 6-volt unit).
The extra work getting the Roady's audio output direct-wired to the Pioneer's aux input really paid off in spades! Fidelity is magnificent! Not quite "CD quality" but very good. It compares absolutely equal to my son's new 2004 Accord with factory XM. Remember, the XM unit, even for the Lexus, is only a tuner and the signal is digital. There is no audio processing or enhancement or "quality" issues regardless of what tuner you buy. When it comes to satellite radio, a tuner is a tuner. Price differentials merely get you some additional creature comforts/features, but no better quality audio.
The Roady's antenna is approx the size of a squashed golf ball and has a very tiny black wire running to it. We started out just laying it on the dash as far forward as possible. That sort-of worked but there were a lot of signal dropouts, which I deemed as significant because the Roady (all XM receivers actually) buffer 5-10 secs of program content to literally eliminate problems with signal flutter. Obviously the antenna needed to be outside.
With the antenna (magnet-mount) laying on the roof right by the passenger side door edge so that the wire could be almost totally concealed in the windshield edge seal, reception is 100% until I pull into the garage. Remember, this is *satellite* radio, so if the antenna cannot see either of the two satellites and you're not in one of the major metro areas served by terrestrial repeaters, an obscured view of the sky means no signal.
Now then, back on topic! I have a 96 LS400 with the Levinson sound package in it (and only 54k miles). I realize that the fully integrated Lexus XM package is not available for my car. However, if it were and if I wanted XM radio in my Lexus, the fully integrated factory package is the only option I would consider. Price notwithstanding and I agree it's borderline usury, the difference in audio quality between the various aftermarket hookup methods make all of the non-Lexus options unacceptable. If you're wanting to put XM radio in your Lexus, do it right or don't do it.
Finally, make sure this is something you **really** want before doing it. I've had XM now for a little over 3 months and will have to admit that the bloom on the rose is beginning to wilt. The glow is off the marriage. Quality is still quite good and it's nice having instant traffic & weather and access to CNN, MSNBC, FOX news, etc. Some of the X-rated comedy is really funny, but it's all 3-4 minute snippets and no full length comedy show. Music (my own personal tastes for 70's pop hits) has been a disappointment. During my morning and afternoon commutes I find there are very few "hits" and most content is the stuff that never made it very far up the charts. I find myself doing a lot of channel surfing.
David Z - 08 Aug 2004 15:25 GMT > ...if I wanted XM radio in my Lexus, the fully integrated > factory package is the only option I would consider. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > wanting to put XM radio in your Lexus, do it right > or don't do it. That was my sense. Thanks for confirming it. I bought the Nav/ML package primarily for the ML. I'm not about to buy an inferior XM package at this point.
> The Roady's antenna is approx the size of a squashed > golf ball and has a very tiny black wire running to it. We [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > eliminate problems with signal flutter. Obviously > the antenna needed to be outside. Yes, this is a concern. The Acura TL has a little bump on the roof, but it's painted the same color as the car. I don't want something odd-looking or something that's not permanently attached to the car that someone can easily rip off.
> Finally, make sure this is something you **really** want > before doing it. I've had XM now for a little over 3 months [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > show. Music (my own personal tastes for 70's pop hits) > has been a disappointment. Hmmm. That's food for thought.
> During my morning and afternoon commutes I find > there are very few "hits"... If you're looking for hits, then I wouldn't think that FM is a better option.
> and most content is the stuff that never made it very far > up the charts. Actually, that's the kind of stuff I like. <G>
New Owner - 09 Aug 2004 00:34 GMT >Yes, this is a concern. The Acura TL has a little bump on the roof, but >it's painted the same color as the car. My son's Honda Accord is the same, permanent mount and same color as the car.
>> and most content is the stuff that never made it very far >> up the charts.
>Actually, that's the kind of stuff I like. <G> It's a lot of stuff that I don't even recognize or remember. I'm not necessarily wanting all the top 40 from the 70s era, but I sure would like a little more than I'm getting. I've almost abandoned the music in favor of the comedy.
If I feel the same way 3 months from now when my sub comes up for quarterly renewal, I may cancel.
A friend of mine just got the "new" Roady which now includes a programmable stock scroll. Since installing it he's had 2 really close calls for accidents and quite a few 1-finger salutes from other drivers who notice he's being distracted by something in the car. I sure wouldn't want that on mine for the exact reason that it'd be a distraction.
Bill T - 09 Aug 2004 02:06 GMT > It's a lot of stuff that I don't even recognize or remember. I'm not > necessarily wanting all the top 40 from the 70s era, but I sure would like [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If I feel the same way 3 months from now when my sub comes up for > quarterly renewal, I may cancel. I have Sirius sat. radio in my LS400, and it's great. The programing is really good. I listen to mostly 70's and it's always good! I've had it almost a year now, and never use the CD or the radio. Bill
Dan J. S. - 09 Aug 2004 02:29 GMT >> Thanks for the info. Some questions: >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > ordinary FM station, if anything, worse, noticeably lacking highs and > lows. Major disappointment. On my 4Runner, I had them hard wire into the antenna cable and then use the FM modulator. Sounds really good. I did not have an option of doing anything else (2003 model). Just FYI
New Owner - 09 Aug 2004 23:40 GMT >On my 4Runner, I had them hard wire into the antenna cable and then use the >FM modulator. Sounds really good. I did not have an option of doing anything >else (2003 model). Just FYI Trust me, if you're happy with the FM modulator, you'd be ecstatic with a direct-wire connection. I've had both and there simply is no comparison. I understand you -can't- but you at least have the option of pulling the factory system and replacing it with something that WILL accept a direct-wire connection. We Lexus owners are stuck.
Dan J. S. - 10 Aug 2004 02:40 GMT >> On my 4Runner, I had them hard wire into the antenna cable and then >> use the FM modulator. Sounds really good. I did not have an option [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > of pulling the factory system and replacing it with something that > WILL accept a direct-wire connection. We Lexus owners are stuck. Oh, I know. I also have the Lexus ES330, and called my dealer about the XM radio. They dont offer it yet, only on the LS 430. If I could hard wire, I would...
Frank Fitzgerald - 09 Aug 2004 03:51 GMT The sound quality is great on the music stations, better than FM and almost CD quality. On the non music stations they use signal compression so quality varies from good on CNN to poor on the traffic reports. The antenna is a little box mounted on the trunk lid. It comes in black but I had mine painted to match the car. Non metallic paint. The antenna is not a very elegant solution. It must be outside to avoid dropouts. What's frustrating is the car has a non functional Lexus Lnk antenna on the roof which they cannot use.
> Thanks for the info. Some questions: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > > >talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound > > > >system, etc. just like the Lexus kit. Charles - 19 Aug 2004 11:00 GMT > The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button. I understand that > means that the car is "satellite radio ready." I read in an edmunds [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Does anyone have any information on this? Is there an aftermarket > product? Yes, I just purchased a Roady2 for my GX470, The mounted the radio on my A/C vent next to the radio.
With the FM transmitter, it gave me a great sound.
My installer sent the wires directly to fuse panel on left side near foot. Antenna mounted on dashboard close to windshield.
I love it.
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