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Satillite Radio For 2004 ES330 w/Nav/ML

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David Z - 07 Aug 2004 01:42 GMT
The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button.  I understand that
means that the car is "satellite radio ready."  I read in an edmunds
discussion group that a kit is going to be available soon to get XM
Satellite radio, but the guy said it was going to cost about $800.  This
price sounds outrageous to me since I understand that an XM receiver
costs about $125.

Does anyone have any information on this?  Is there an aftermarket
product?
markjen - 07 Aug 2004 02:08 GMT
> The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button.  I understand that
> means that the car is "satellite radio ready."  I read in an edmunds
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> Does anyone have any information on this?  Is there an aftermarket
> product?

I don't have specific information but it given that OEM car GPS systems, car
phones, and stereo systems cost several times what add-on aftermarket
systems costs, I bet this price is probably what you'll have to pay if you
want an integrated system.

- Mark
New Owner - 07 Aug 2004 17:09 GMT
The price you heard for the Lexus add-on is approx the same that I heard,
and you're right, that's absurd. The aftermarket stuff will work, but of
course doesn't "integrate" transparently, meaning that your radio display
in the dash won't display the name of the artist & tune like it would
otherwise. Also, there is no direct connection to the Lexus sound system
available, meaning that you'd have to use the casette adaptor and set the
selector to "tape". This works, tho the fidelity is lacking and audio
purists won't be happy. Still $800 sure seems like a disproportionate
amount of gelt to have to lay down just for the Lexus XM option. Anyone
who goes for it is (IMO) living proof that a fool and his money are soon
parted.

For anyone on the fence, let me just say this. I've got XM in my Dodge Ram
pickup using an aftermarket kit, but it's hardwired in to an aux input on
the sound system and so sounds really great. However, having had it for 3
months now I'm less enthusiastic about it today than I was when I first
put it in. I enjoy '70 hits but it seems like XM plays a whole lot of the
'B-side' cuts and not a lot of what I bought it to hear.

It's in and I'll probably continue subscribing for a while longer, but if
I knew then what I know now, I wouldn't have bought it.

>The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button.  I understand that
>means that the car is "satellite radio ready."  I read in an edmunds
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Does anyone have any information on this?  Is there an aftermarket
>product?
David Z - 07 Aug 2004 17:20 GMT
Thanks for the info.

I realize that you car buy an XM receiver and put it in any car.  That's
not what I meant by "aftermarket."  When I said aftermarket, I was
talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound
system, etc. just like the Lexus kit.

> The price you heard for the Lexus add-on is approx the same that I heard,
> and you're right, that's absurd. The aftermarket stuff will work, but of
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> >Does anyone have any information on this?  Is there an aftermarket
> >product?
New Owner - 08 Aug 2004 02:13 GMT
To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the way of any aftermarket
auto sound equipment that will "integrate" or correctly hook straight up
to any factory-original Lexus sound system, regardless of what it is.

Lexus has made sure that your fine Lexus car will either be "all Lexus" or
else it will have to be butchered by "Dumb and Dumber" after which Lexus
won't service that component anymore (except maybe tear it all out and
replace it with a factory stock system again).

>Thanks for the info.
>
>I realize that you car buy an XM receiver and put it in any car.  That's
>not what I meant by "aftermarket."  When I said aftermarket, I was
>talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound
>system, etc. just like the Lexus kit.
Frank  Fitzgerald - 08 Aug 2004 12:35 GMT
My 04 LS430  had the AM /Satellite button. I added the Lexus XM tuner
installed by the dealer. It was $740 and installed last December when they
first came out. It is fully integrated and works great. The only problem is
the Head unit only displays 12 characters of the 20 broadcast for song
information. I recently got a dealer ad with a $400 special for XM
installation This was from Lexus of Highland Park, just north of Chicago.
This seems more reasonable with the tuner kit (Pioneer) costing around $200
non Lexus at Best Buy and 2 hrs dealer labor to install. By the way the non
Lexus tuner kit from Pioneer doesn't have compatible connectors to use in a
Lexus.

> To the best of my knowledge there is nothing in the way of any aftermarket
> auto sound equipment that will "integrate" or correctly hook straight up
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> >talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound
> >system, etc. just like the Lexus kit.
David Z - 08 Aug 2004 13:29 GMT
Thanks for the info.  Some questions:

- How's the sound quality compared to FM?  compared to other XM
receivers (i.e., do you get premium sound for the premium price)?

- Where's the antenna?  How does it look?

> My 04 LS430  had the AM /Satellite button. I added the Lexus XM tuner
> installed by the dealer. It was $740 and installed last December when they
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> > >talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound
> > >system, etc. just like the Lexus kit.
New Owner - 08 Aug 2004 14:49 GMT
>Thanks for the info.  Some questions:
>
>- How's the sound quality compared to FM?  compared to other XM
>receivers (i.e., do you get premium sound for the premium price)?
>
>- Where's the antenna?  How does it look?

I'll let Frank address his Lexus experience. My own experience was with
the little "Roady" aftermarket unit from Delphi ($99 special) and with
installing it (non-integrated) in my Dodge Ram (club cab) pickup.
Off-Topic for this group, but bear with me here.

I should start by saying my truck already has a mid-priced Pioneer
aftermarket sound system in it with upgraded speakers, but no outboard
amplifier and no sub woofers (and no idiotic "monster cable").

Not wanting to tear into the dash (again) I started by using the Roady's
"FM Modulator" which provided a really quick and dirty hookup. The problem
was that the fidelity was no better that an ordinary FM station, if
anything, worse, noticeably lacking highs and lows. Major disappointment.

Next I tried the casette tape adaptor. This was a noticeable improvement
in fidelity, but still nowhere near what I was led to believe was
possible. My favorite tapes, even homemade copies still sounded much
better.

Finally, at the recommendation of Mobile-One (local car audio store) the
dash was opened up and a Pioneer interface cable kit ($30) was used to
direct-wire the Roady's audio output to the Pioneer's aux input (intended
for a multi-disk CD changer). While we had the dash apart it was also a
good opportunity to conceal all the wiring and direct wire the 12v power
lead (another adaptor required because the Roady is actually a 6-volt
unit).

The extra work getting the Roady's audio output direct-wired to the
Pioneer's aux input really paid off in spades! Fidelity is magnificent!
Not quite "CD quality" but very good. It compares absolutely equal to my
son's new 2004 Accord with factory XM. Remember, the XM unit, even for the
Lexus, is only a tuner and the signal is digital. There is no audio
processing or enhancement or "quality" issues regardless of what tuner you
buy. When it comes to satellite radio, a tuner is a tuner. Price
differentials merely get you some additional creature comforts/features,
but no better quality audio.

The Roady's antenna is approx the size of a squashed golf ball and has a
very tiny black wire running to it. We started out just laying it on the
dash as far forward as possible. That sort-of worked but there were a lot
of signal dropouts, which I deemed as significant because the Roady (all
XM receivers actually) buffer 5-10 secs of program content to literally
eliminate problems with signal flutter. Obviously the antenna needed to be
outside.

With the antenna (magnet-mount) laying on the roof right by the passenger
side door edge so that the wire could be almost totally concealed in the
windshield edge seal, reception is 100% until I pull into the garage.
Remember, this is *satellite* radio, so if the antenna cannot see either
of the two satellites and you're not in one of the major metro areas
served by terrestrial repeaters, an obscured view of the sky means no
signal.

Now then, back on topic! I have a 96 LS400 with the Levinson sound package
in it (and only 54k miles). I realize that the fully integrated Lexus XM
package is not available for my car. However, if it were and if I wanted
XM radio in my Lexus, the fully integrated factory package is the only
option I would consider. Price notwithstanding and I agree it's borderline
usury, the difference in audio quality between the various aftermarket
hookup methods make all of the non-Lexus options unacceptable. If you're
wanting to put XM radio in your Lexus, do it right or don't do it.

Finally, make sure this is something you **really** want before doing it.
I've had XM now for a little over 3 months and will have to admit that the
bloom on the rose is beginning to wilt. The glow is off the marriage.
Quality is still quite good and it's nice having instant traffic & weather
and access to CNN, MSNBC, FOX news, etc. Some of the X-rated comedy is
really funny, but it's all 3-4 minute snippets and no full length comedy
show. Music (my own personal tastes for 70's pop hits) has been a
disappointment. During my morning and afternoon commutes I find there are
very few "hits" and most content is the stuff that never made it very far
up the charts. I find myself doing a lot of channel surfing.
David Z - 08 Aug 2004 15:25 GMT
> ...if I wanted XM radio in my Lexus, the fully integrated
> factory package is the only option I would consider.
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> wanting to put XM radio in your Lexus, do it right
> or don't do it.

That was my sense.  Thanks for confirming it.  I bought the Nav/ML
package primarily for the ML.  I'm not about to buy an inferior XM
package at this point.

> The Roady's antenna is approx the size of a squashed
> golf ball and has a very tiny black wire running to it. We
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> eliminate problems with signal flutter. Obviously
> the antenna needed to be outside.

Yes, this is a concern.  The Acura TL has a little bump on the roof, but
it's painted the same color as the car.  I don't want something
odd-looking or something that's not permanently attached to the car that
someone can easily rip off.

> Finally, make sure this is something you **really** want
> before doing it. I've had XM now for a little over 3 months
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> show. Music (my own personal tastes for 70's pop hits)
> has been a disappointment.

Hmmm.  That's food for thought.

> During my morning and afternoon commutes I find
> there are very few "hits"...

If you're looking for hits, then I wouldn't think that FM is a better
option.

> and most content is the stuff that never made it very far
> up the charts.

Actually, that's the kind of stuff I like.  <G>
New Owner - 09 Aug 2004 00:34 GMT
>Yes, this is a concern.  The Acura TL has a little bump on the roof, but
>it's painted the same color as the car.  

My son's Honda Accord is the same, permanent mount and same color as the
car.

>> and most content is the stuff that never made it very far
>> up the charts.

>Actually, that's the kind of stuff I like.  <G>

It's a lot of stuff that I don't even recognize or remember. I'm not
necessarily wanting all the top 40 from the 70s era, but I sure would like
a little more than I'm getting. I've almost abandoned the music in favor
of the comedy.

If I feel the same way 3 months from now when my sub comes up for
quarterly renewal, I may cancel.

A friend of mine just got the "new" Roady which now includes a
programmable stock scroll. Since installing it he's had 2 really close
calls for accidents and quite a few 1-finger salutes from other drivers
who notice he's being distracted by something in the car. I sure wouldn't
want that on mine for the exact reason that it'd be a distraction.
Bill T - 09 Aug 2004 02:06 GMT
> It's a lot of stuff that I don't even recognize or remember. I'm not
> necessarily wanting all the top 40 from the 70s era, but I sure would like
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> If I feel the same way 3 months from now when my sub comes up for
> quarterly renewal, I may cancel.

I have Sirius sat. radio in my LS400, and it's great. The programing is
really good. I listen to mostly 70's and it's always good!  I've had it
almost a year now, and never use the CD or the radio.
Bill
Dan J. S. - 09 Aug 2004 02:29 GMT
>> Thanks for the info.  Some questions:
>>
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> ordinary FM station, if anything, worse, noticeably lacking highs and
> lows. Major disappointment.

On my 4Runner, I had them hard wire into the antenna cable and then use the
FM modulator. Sounds really good. I did not have an option of doing anything
else (2003 model).  Just FYI
New Owner - 09 Aug 2004 23:40 GMT
>On my 4Runner, I had them hard wire into the antenna cable and then use the
>FM modulator. Sounds really good. I did not have an option of doing anything
>else (2003 model).  Just FYI

Trust me, if you're happy with the FM modulator, you'd be ecstatic with a
direct-wire connection. I've had both and there simply is no comparison. I
understand you -can't- but you at least have the option of pulling the
factory system and replacing it with something that WILL accept a
direct-wire connection. We Lexus owners are stuck.
Dan J. S. - 10 Aug 2004 02:40 GMT
>> On my 4Runner, I had them hard wire into the antenna cable and then
>> use the FM modulator. Sounds really good. I did not have an option
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> of pulling the factory system and replacing it with something that
> WILL accept a direct-wire connection. We Lexus owners are stuck.

Oh, I know. I also have the Lexus ES330, and called my dealer about the XM
radio. They dont offer it yet, only on the LS 430. If I could hard wire, I
would...
Frank  Fitzgerald - 09 Aug 2004 03:51 GMT
The sound quality is great on the music stations, better than FM and almost
CD quality. On the non music stations they use signal compression so quality
varies from good on CNN to poor on the traffic reports. The antenna is a
little box mounted on the trunk lid. It comes in black but I had mine
painted to match the car. Non metallic paint. The antenna is not a very
elegant solution. It must be outside to avoid dropouts. What's frustrating
is the car has a non functional Lexus Lnk antenna on the roof which they
cannot use.
> Thanks for the info.  Some questions:
>
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> > > >talking about a product that would integrate with the car's sound
> > > >system, etc. just like the Lexus kit.
Charles - 19 Aug 2004 11:00 GMT
> The 2004 ES330 with Nav/ML has an AM-SAT button.  I understand that
> means that the car is "satellite radio ready."  I read in an edmunds
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Does anyone have any information on this?  Is there an aftermarket
> product?

Yes, I just purchased a Roady2 for my GX470, The mounted the radio on
my A/C vent next to the radio.

With the FM transmitter, it gave me a great sound.

My installer sent the wires directly to fuse panel on left side near
foot.
Antenna mounted on dashboard close to windshield.

I love it.
 
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