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1991 miata shimmy

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J. Frank Freeman - 21 May 2004 13:33 GMT
I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
checks out fine with one exception, there is shimmy or bounce around 65 MPH,
seems to be in the rear. We had to replace the tires which were computer
balanced when installed, I first thought all they needed was high speed
balancing , after $50 for the balancing there wasn't any improvement, OK,
next I replace the shocks thinking this has to be the problem but still no
improvement , the sensation of a tire being out of balance is still present
in the rear. The car has only 38000 miles and in a excellent maintained
condition.
Has anyone else encountered a similar problem ? I would appreciate any input
that might helpful in resolving my dilemma.
Thanks in advance,
Frank
Iva - 21 May 2004 14:42 GMT
> I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
> cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> that might helpful in resolving my dilemma.
> Thanks in advance,

Congratulations on joining the Miata family!  Get over to
www.miata.net and be prepared to spend *lots* of time there.

The older Miatae are known to have a shimmy at 65 mph.  It's a
combination of things which can be helped with changing the sway
bars, having all four wheels aligned and installing a front shock
brace.  My '90 did it.  I've done all of the above except adding
the shock brace and that's sitting in the garage waiting for a
few spare moments to get installed.

See Lanny's site for alignment specs:
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

And be prepared to spend lot of money on sunscreen. ;-D

Iva & Belle.)
'90B Classic Red.)
#3 winkin'  Miata
Mike - 21 May 2004 15:00 GMT
Lower the tire pressure to 28 psi all the way around and see it that helps.
The one time my 91A had the shimmy was when all 4 tires had very different
tire pressures.

> I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
> cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks in advance,
> Frank
J. Frank Freeman - 22 May 2004 14:44 GMT
That was one of the first things I did after the guy who installed the tires
had 38psi.
Frank
> Lower the tire pressure to 28 psi all the way around and see it that helps.
> The one time my 91A had the shimmy was when all 4 tires had very different
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Frank
Leon van Dommelen - 22 May 2004 15:47 GMT
>That was one of the first things I did after the guy who installed the tires
>had 38psi.

So the first balance was at 38 psi?  Anybody know how much the error
involved might be?

Some tires have a pronounced stiff spot where the bands are joined,
giving a shimmy even when properly balanced.

If the shimmy is not too bad, you could try changing the tire
pressure a bit or swap wheels front to rear.

Leon

>Frank
>> Lower the tire pressure to 28 psi all the way around and see it that
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>> > Thanks in advance,
>> > Frank

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Leon van Dommelen - 21 May 2004 15:19 GMT
]I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
]cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
]checks out fine with one exception, there is shimmy or bounce around 65 MPH,
]seems to be in the rear. We had to replace the tires which were computer
]balanced when installed, I first thought all they needed was high speed
]balancing , after $50 for the balancing there wasn't any improvement, OK,
]next I replace the shocks thinking this has to be the problem but still no
]improvement , the sensation of a tire being out of balance is still present
]in the rear. The car has only 38000 miles and in a excellent maintained
]condition.
]Has anyone else encountered a similar problem ? I would appreciate any input
]that might helpful in resolving my dilemma.

Do I understand that you replaced all 4 tires after the 6 year
storage?

And that all 4 wheels were then high-speed balanced?

Leon

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J. Frank Freeman - 22 May 2004 14:47 GMT
Yes, I installed four new tires because after sitting for such a long period
it would shake you out of the car.
Frank

> ]I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
> ]cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Leon
Lanny Chambers - 21 May 2004 17:24 GMT
> We had to replace the tires which were computer
> balanced when installed, I first thought all they needed was high speed
> balancing , after $50 for the balancing there wasn't any improvement

First thing to do is remount all the wheels, tightening the lugs
progressively in the correct sequence with a torque wrench. If you have
wheel locks, get rid of them.

If the shimmy persists, then either they weren't balanced properly, one
of the new tires is out of round, or you have a bent wheel. The balancer
must be set to its maximum sensitivity. Here's another clue: if the
shop's smallest weights are larger than 1/8 ounce, they aren't equipped
to balance Miata wheels.

While alignment and bracing are good things for other reasons, they
don't affect wheel balance or concentricity, which are the only causes
of shimmy. All the other things will do is shift the resonant frequency
of the chassis, so it shimmies at a different speed.

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Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
'94C
the alignment page:
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

Dave Null Sr. - 21 May 2004 20:07 GMT
>> We had to replace the tires which were computer
>> balanced when installed, I first thought all they needed was high speed
>> balancing , after $50 for the balancing there wasn't any improvement
[chop]

> If the shimmy persists, then either they weren't balanced properly, one
> of the new tires is out of round, or you have a bent wheel. The balancer
> must be set to its maximum sensitivity. Here's another clue: if the
> shop's smallest weights are larger than 1/8 ounce, they aren't equipped
> to balance Miata wheels.

[chop]

To reinforce Lanny's point: I had new tires installed a while back
and had the shimmy even though I had them 'properly' balanced.
I had them try twice with no luck. So I went to another shop
and insisted that they be very precise. They even partly sneered
when I made them use the smallest weights, implying that I was
being ridiculously anal. But the shimmy was gone.
Dave Christian - 22 May 2004 06:34 GMT
> I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
> cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks in advance,
> Frank

Frank, I have a '90 with ~160K miles on it, but I've never had a shimmy.

On my OTHER car, however, I get a nice shimmy around 65.

Why?  The frame is bent.

Has the Miata ever been in an accident?
J. Frank Freeman - 22 May 2004 14:53 GMT
No , belonged to my brother who bought it new.
Frank
> > I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
> > cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Has the Miata ever been in an accident?
J. Frank Freeman - 23 May 2004 20:27 GMT
Thanks to all for your help, as a starter I plan to revisit the shop where I
had the high speed balancing done.
Thanks Again,
Frank
> I just recently acquired the subject Miata, it had has been setting under a
> cover uncranked for 6+- years, after making many minor repairs, the car
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks in advance,
> Frank
DonB - 24 May 2004 14:24 GMT
One last possibility:  I had a shimmy in my '91, though it started
around 80 or so.  Replaced a bent rim and she's smooth to 115, fast as
she's been to date.

DonB

>Thanks to all for your help, as a starter I plan to revisit the shop where I
>had the high speed balancing done.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Frank
J. Frank Freeman - 27 May 2004 01:41 GMT
I revisited the place that high speed balanced my tires, they trued all four
tires, problem solved, the car drives fine now. There is just a very slight
vibration at around 65 but something I can live with.
Thanks Again,
Frank
> One last possibility:  I had a shimmy in my '91, though it started
> around 80 or so.  Replaced a bent rim and she's smooth to 115, fast as
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Frank
chuckk - 28 May 2004 03:12 GMT
If they had to "true" the tires there is a distinct probability that one or
more of the tires is beyond reasonable (for a Miata) More often than not,
one out of four replacement tires has some sort of problem that can cause
shimmy or vibration. The first clue is more weight than normal needed to
balance.
> I revisited the place that high speed balanced my tires, they trued all four
> tires, problem solved, the car drives fine now. There is just a very slight
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> > >> Thanks in advance,
> > >> Frank
 
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