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BMW Miata !! ??? Pretty cool.
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Chief_Wiggum - 27 Aug 2004 16:27 GMT Saw this on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248803441 1&category=7251&sspagename=WDVW
A 1990 Miata with a Z3 "kit" on it. Looks pretty sweet! I wonder where you can pick up a kit like that. It would be great for a wrecked Miata ..
Grant Edwards - 27 Aug 2004 16:56 GMT > Saw this on ebay > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248803441 > 1&category=7251&sspagename=WDVW Eeww! Now I have to go poke out my eyes...
> A 1990 Miata with a Z3 "kit" on it. Looks pretty sweet! It's horrible. Such nightmarish bad taste is fascinating in a gawking-at-a-wreck sort of way, so thanks for the link.
> I wonder where you can pick up a kit like that. http://www.usedfieroparts.com/bodyk/Z3/
http://www.kitcarmagazine.com/Vendor-Database/Search/detail.asp?id=217
> It would be great for a wrecked Miata .. No, it wouldn't. Z3's are ugly, and a Miata dressed up to look like one would be better off run through a compacter at a junk yard.
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Chief_Wiggum - 27 Aug 2004 17:34 GMT Well, I guess if you dont' like the look of a Z3 than it is a BAD thing! :)
I think they are kinda cool myself .. especially the clamshell hood design. *shrug*
> > Saw this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248803441
> > 1&category=7251&sspagename=WDVW > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > at I should be DOING with a > visi.com GLAZED DONUT?? Grant Edwards - 27 Aug 2004 17:58 GMT > Well, I guess if you dont' like the look of a Z3 than it is a > BAD thing! :) Even if you do like Z3's, it just seems cheap and tawdry to try to make one brand of car look like another. It's not a BMW, and you're not going to fool anybody into thinking it is.
People who care about cars know what's what and will think you wanted a Z3 but couldn't afford one, so you bought another perfectly good roadster and butchered into a bad imitation of something else.
People who don't care about cars, just won't notice.
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Chief_Wiggum - 27 Aug 2004 20:48 GMT Yeah, I guess that's a good point.. I guess I got caught up in the coolness factor of the clamshell hood, and such. That plus I DO like the looks of the Z3 (and I also agree that they royally F#$Kd up the Z4 !!
Actually, if I were going to build one I wouldn't go as far as the BMW badging, etc... I would have stopped at the restyling that the hood provided.
It IS kind of pointless to try and *fake* a Z3.... I mean they aren't *that* expensive that it makes it worthwile. And, as noted NOBODY whith half a brain would believe it IS a Z3.
I can almost get on board with the real exotic fakes like the Ferrari's etc because that's about the only way I could ever afford one ! But, I agree it's right up there with wearing a fake Rolex, and carrying a knockof Gucci handbag! (tacky).
Okay, I officially retract my first post :) I no longer think it's cool. (although I DO kinda like that other kit that was posted ) :)
First things first.. I need to actually BUY a Miata before I think about modifying it :)
> > Well, I guess if you dont' like the look of a Z3 than it is a > > BAD thing! :) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > visi.com SLEEPING on a deserted > island, when... Alex Rodriguez - 01 Sep 2004 19:54 GMT >I think they are kinda cool myself .. especially the clamshell hood design. >*shrug* I like the clamshell hood, but the quality of the parts looks very poor. -------------- Alex
Chris D'Agnolo - 27 Aug 2004 17:56 GMT Grants feelings are pretty typical of the miata crowd. Those things have been for sale for some time, and seem to draw very little positive response.
It's like vinyl flooring trying to look like tile flooring, not too convincing so, what's the point?
I happen to disagree with the people who think the miata is a better looking car than the Z3. With that I also have to say that the Z4 is a horrific looking car, much uglier than any miata.
Chris 92BB&T
> > Saw this on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=248803441
> > 1&category=7251&sspagename=WDVW > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > like one would be better off run through a compacter at a junk > yard. Lanny Chambers - 27 Aug 2004 17:49 GMT > A 1990 Miata with a Z3 "kit" on it. Looks pretty sweet! I wonder where > you can pick up a kit like that. It would be great for a wrecked Miata .. BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html
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Grant Edwards - 27 Aug 2004 18:03 GMT >> A 1990 Miata with a Z3 "kit" on it. Looks pretty sweet! I wonder where >> you can pick up a kit like that. It would be great for a wrecked Miata .. > > BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: > http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html Now _that_ I like a lot better -- as long as that's not a fake Maserati or Ferrari badge on the nose. ;) Call me old-school, but I love the headlights.
Apart from the taste question, the important thing is that it's not a "replica" kit trying to make a Miata into a badly faked something-else.
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Leon van Dommelen - 28 Aug 2004 02:05 GMT >> A 1990 Miata with a Z3 "kit" on it. Looks pretty sweet! I wonder where >> you can pick up a kit like that. It would be great for a wrecked Miata .. > >BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: >http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html The problem is that the kit is designed for the M1. It would be much more effective as an M2 conversion.
Leon
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slade carter - 28 Aug 2004 17:44 GMT that is uglier than the Z3
> BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: > http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html Grant Edwards - 28 Aug 2004 18:09 GMT >> BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: >> http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html > > that is uglier than the Z3 Is not!
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johnny phenothiazine - 28 Aug 2004 20:55 GMT > BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: > http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html How about this for rebuilt sweetness:
http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=450
http://keith.miata.net/seven/
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Leon van Dommelen - 29 Aug 2004 01:26 GMT >> BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: >> http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html > >How about this for rebuilt sweetness: > >http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=450 What is under the hood? A V32 or a V40?
I hope is not planning to drive any mountain roads.
Leon ;)
>http://keith.miata.net/seven/ > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< >-=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=-
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johnny phenothiazine - 29 Aug 2004 03:56 GMT > > How about this for rebuilt sweetness: > > > > http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=450 > > What is under the hood? http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=143
http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=245
and hey Big Chief, I think it's totally beautiful and I want a dark green one!
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jchase - 29 Aug 2004 13:29 GMT > and hey Big Chief, I think it's totally beautiful and I want a dark > green one! > > Yours WDK - WKiernan@ij.net Who wants a "redecorated" Miata?- if you want a BMW, pay for one! (Although I don't like either of them much, I'm one of the few who think the Z4 is better than Z3).
The Miata (like Mazda's MX-6 and MX-3) is among the rare cars which depend on the overall grace of the shape for beauty, with a bare minimum of chrome, scoops, louvers, etc. This is a characteristic it shares with a lot of Pininfarina Ferrari designs, the old Shelby Cobra, and the 1960's and current Jaguar XK cars. My opinion is that a clean, beautiful shape beats neat "decorations" any day, in both cars and women. (I love my new Mazda 6, but I'll admit it is a bit "fussy" in styling).
My Miata wears no exterior mods except a Moss grill in flat black.
Joe Silver '99
Grant Edwards - 29 Aug 2004 14:53 GMT > The Miata (like Mazda's MX-6 and MX-3) is among the rare cars > which depend on the overall grace of the shape for beauty, > with a bare minimum of chrome, scoops, louvers, etc. Well put. Sadly, the RX-8 design seems to have been done by people who like "busy". An uglier collection of mis-matched details I've never seen. The poor thing is all creases and corners and slots and scoops and whatnot. Not a clean line on the whole car.
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johnny phenothiazine - 29 Aug 2004 19:34 GMT > > and hey Big Chief, I think it's totally beautiful and I > > want a dark green one! > > Who wants a "redecorated" Miata?- if you want a BMW, pay > for one! Oh no, I wasn't saying the Miata/BMW is "beautiful," far, far from it, most certainly I wouldn't want a Miata with a plastic fake-BMW body. In fact I wouldn't buy that nice Mazdaspeed Turbo, even if I could afford one, specifically because of the ugly plastic razzmatazz they insist on bolting all over the body. Particularly the spoiler, what's the point on a convertible? Though if you happen to like that kind of stuff I guess "to each his own." The car I was talking about is Keith Tanner's Miata-powered "Locost," a Lotus Seven clone kit car. Basically I think you really can't improve on the looks of my stock '93 Miata, but (provided you don't mind absolute exposure to the weather) you can definitely improve on the weight:
http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=455
http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=456
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Chief_Wiggum - 29 Aug 2004 20:47 GMT > The car I was talking about is Keith Tanner's > Miata-powered "Locost," a Lotus Seven clone kit car. Basically I think [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://keith.miata.net/seven/flip.php?x=456 You're joking, right ? That thing is HIDEOUS! It looks like it's made by John Deere ..
Puke!
Grant Edwards - 29 Aug 2004 21:44 GMT >> The car I was talking about is Keith Tanner's Miata-powered >> "Locost," a Lotus Seven clone kit car. Basically I think you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You're joking, right ? That thing is HIDEOUS! Huh? He didn't say it was pretty. He said it was light weight.
> It looks like it's made by John Deere .. Not really.
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Chief_Wiggum - 29 Aug 2004 23:42 GMT > >> The car I was talking about is Keith Tanner's Miata-powered > >> "Locost," a Lotus Seven clone kit car. Basically I think you [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > at this, please?? > visi.com
>and hey Big Chief, I think it's totally beautiful and I want a dark >green one! Hmm... Nope... Said it was "totally beautiful!"
To each his own, I guess... It may be fun to drive from a seat of the pants perspective, but it's about as "beautiful" as a sand rail IMO..
Just a horrible thing to do to a Miata!
Dave Null Sr. - 29 Aug 2004 23:26 GMT >> The car I was talking about is Keith Tanner's >> Miata-powered "Locost," a Lotus Seven clone kit car. Basically I [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > made by > John Deere .. What's the saying? "nothing runs like a Deere."
I don't care how hideous it is.
I hope Keith will give me a ride in his sub-1300 lb. 'Miata.' Whoooeeeee.
Leon van Dommelen - 29 Aug 2004 23:49 GMT >> > and hey Big Chief, I think it's totally beautiful and I >> > want a dark green one! [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >(provided you don't mind absolute exposure to the weather) you can >definitely improve on the weight: You could improve more on the weight, and I assume tossability, by keeping the length down. Aerodynamics don't seem that great either. It seems to be more of an attempt to create a look alike to an apparently very ugly car, than an attempt to optimize car properties.
Leon
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Generic - 30 Aug 2004 00:55 GMT > >guess "to each his own." The car I was talking about is Keith Tanner's > >Miata-powered "Locost," a Lotus Seven clone kit car. Basically I think [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Leon Here's the original design, once upon a time a "classic" Lotus, and now a Caterham. The proportions are far more balanced:
http://www.uscaterham.com/
The Lotus and BMW mods are just plain perverse.
-John
Grant Edwards - 30 Aug 2004 01:08 GMT > Here's the original design, once upon a time a "classic" > Lotus, Made famous (at least on this side of the pond) by the TV series "The Prisoner".
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jchase - 30 Aug 2004 16:12 GMT >>Here's the original design, once upon a time a "classic" >>Lotus, > > Made famous (at least on this side of the pond) by the TV > series "The Prisoner". If you've got BBCAmerica on your cable, they're rebroadcasting The Prisoner (along with The Saint and The Avengers) on Fridays- with all of those lovely cars. Come to think of it, my affection for small sleek roadsters may come from the teenage brain overload I experienced seeing Mrs. Peel in her Elan.
Joe Silver '99
Alastair - 09 Sep 2004 14:59 GMT The front end of my 2001 MX5 got caught on a steel column stu sticking out the ground in a car park. The bottom of the plastic just below the air intake is a bit scratched and there's a small hole; it's also slightly wrinkled. Not worth replacing the nose cone but is there a part repair panel available that could be grafted in? I will probably DIY it or get a local body shop to have a look, but I know there initial reaction will be "replace the whole front end, which is about ?600 just for the nose cone I believe.
Alastair
Chief_Wiggum - 29 Aug 2004 02:20 GMT DAMMIT! I can't find a fork quick enough to gouge my eyes out !!! @#$@#$@#$@#$ %%#&^&%TGTHFGY$%&&&& 7778^(&^(*$%&*J$^H#&M$&*M<%*$< @G%V$^BBRTY%%%%%%%%$&@B^%@ Well, If I can stop heaving long enough to finish typing !!
Man, ...(wiping the puke from my mouth).. And you said the BMWMIATA was ugly ???!!
All of a sudden it's lookin REAL NICE again!
> > BZZZZT! Wrong. THIS is what you can with a wrecked Miata: > > http://www.gomiata.com/sdmiatitbodc.html [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >>>> at http://www.TitanNews.com <<<< > -=Every Newsgroup - Anonymous, UNCENSORED, BROADBAND Downloads=- Alex Rodriguez - 01 Sep 2004 19:53 GMT >Saw this on ebay > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >A 1990 Miata with a Z3 "kit" on it. Looks pretty sweet! I wonder where >you can pick up a kit like that. It would be great for a wrecked Miata .. You need to get your eyes examined. The first thing I noticed is a crappy paint job and a huge gap between the door and the fender. Used Z3's are not that expensive, so why bother? ---------- Alex
Chief_Wiggum - 01 Sep 2004 22:52 GMT > >Saw this on ebay > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ---------- > Alex Yeah, kinda like not bothering to read the whole thread before replying, huh skippy ?
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