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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / December 2004

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Randy Maheux - 09 Dec 2004 18:55 GMT
I have an '03 that came with Bridgstone Touranza EA30s in 205/45-R16 size.
I have not been too impressed with them.  Besides, at 18,000 miles, they are
already worn to the warning bars and I'm not a hard driver (I wonder if the
dealer put on used tires before I picked up the car)!

The car is a daily driver in Florida.  I don't need a super sticky tire -
something that would last at least 25-30,000 miles would be fine.

I have heard several people recommend Toyo Proxes T1S tires, but they sell
for $840 locally and the Tire Rack doesn't list them in my size.  I'm
looking at the Dunlop SP FM901, the Kumo Ecsta Supra 712, or the Yokohama
AVS ES100, all priced between $80 and $90.  I would appreciate any feedback
about them or other tire suggestions.
Tom Howlin - 09 Dec 2004 22:07 GMT
I like Bridgestone and Michelin, have had terrible luck in the last few
years with Dunlop on both new cars and replacement tires.  I had the
Dunlop SPs on my 92 and took them off with half the tread depth still
there because they vibrated, rode hard, noisey, etc.  I went back to
Bridgestone and have been very happy.

Tom
92 Red

> I have an '03 that came with Bridgstone Touranza EA30s in 205/45-R16 size.
> I have not been too impressed with them.  Besides, at 18,000 miles, they are
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> AVS ES100, all priced between $80 and $90.  I would appreciate any feedback
> about them or other tire suggestions.
Natman - 10 Dec 2004 02:41 GMT
>I have an '03 that came with Bridgstone Touranza EA30s in 205/45-R16 size.
>I have not been too impressed with them.  Besides, at 18,000 miles, they are
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>AVS ES100, all priced between $80 and $90.  I would appreciate any feedback
>about them or other tire suggestions.

http://www.ec-securehost.com/OnlineTires.com/Toyo_T1-S.html

Get them while you still can.
Chris D'Agnolo - 10 Dec 2004 03:12 GMT
It's pretty much agreed the T1S's are great, just at quite a price...... If
you're not concerned about ultimate grip first, last and foremost, you're
like me when I was last shopping for street tires on my miata. I wanted
decent ride, good grip, good handling characteristics (transition and
progressive breakaway), good treadwear rating, A traction and A temperature
and A GOOD PRICE (I've got 5 other vehicles to keep up with!). I bought
Bridgestone 'Eager' series tires and other than having to say and type that
silly name, I haven't regretted it at all! They are very impressive and I
think they were $60 to $65 a piece or there-abouts.

I've heard allot of good things about the Yoko's, but there's plenty to read
up on if you go to miata.net product reviews and / or message boards.

Good luck,
Chris

> >I have an '03 that came with Bridgstone Touranza EA30s in 205/45-R16 size.
> >I have not been too impressed with them.  Besides, at 18,000 miles, they are
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>
> Get them while you still can.
W. Kiernan - 10 Dec 2004 03:34 GMT
> I have heard several people recommend Toyo Proxes T1S tires, but they
> sell for $840 locally and the Tire Rack doesn't list them in my size.

If you live in the Tampa Bay area, call George's Discount Tires
(Clearwater: 727-797-6330, New Port Richey: 727-847-1701), who supplied
me with four of the 195-55-14 T1-Ses for about $475, including mounting,
balancing, etc. and also sales tax.  That's still higher than that
onlinetires.com price of $82.00 per tire (but not mounted & balanced,
and no sales tax or shipping).  However, they had them in stock, and I
was back on the road two hours after I showed up at their shop.

When I checked the air pressure in my new tires, it was something
ridiculous like 42 PSI.  But I don't want to pick on George's Discount,
because for some reason, _every time_ I've ever gotten new tires, no
matter where, the guys who put them on overinflated them by at least 10
PSI.

Once I dropped the tire pressure to 29 PSI, I really liked my new
skids!  There are a few fun tight corners on my daily commute that I
know pretty well.  After I replaced my old B.F. Goodrich tires with
T1-Ses, in corners where before I'd have to ease off the gas and still
slide a bit, with the T1-Ses I could go pedal-to-the-metal and it
refused to slip a bit.  And they showed even better improvement in
performance in those Florida monsoons.

Yours WDK - WKkiernan@ij.net
Lanny Chambers - 10 Dec 2004 04:05 GMT
> I have heard several people recommend Toyo Proxes T1S tires, but they sell
> for $840 locally and the Tire Rack doesn't list them in my size.  I'm
> looking at the Dunlop SP FM901, the Kumo Ecsta Supra 712, or the Yokohama
> AVS ES100, all priced between $80 and $90.

I'm sold on the T-1S, and onlinetires.com has your size for $109 each
(Tire Rack does not sell Toyos at all). Dunno if you'll get 20k out of a
set, but you might if you rotate them faithfully every at 3000-mile oil
change. The Yokos are not quite as capable, but should last longer and
are very good tires. The other two I would avoid.

Signature

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'94C
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pws - 12 Dec 2004 00:28 GMT
> I'm sold on the T-1S, and onlinetires.com has your size for $109 each
> (Tire Rack does not sell Toyos at all). Dunno if you'll get 20k out of a
> set, but you might if you rotate them faithfully every at 3000-mile oil
> change. The Yokos are not quite as capable, but should last longer and
> are very good tires. The other two I would avoid.

I'll second both the Toyo's and the Yokohama's as excellent choices. It
seems to me that the Toyo T-1S have a slight edge in the dry and the
Yoko ES100's have a bit better rain traction. I didn't do any type of
tests to verify this, it is just how they felt to me, a bit stickier in
the dry on the Toyo's and a bit better traction and braking in the wet
with the ES100's.

Pat
red '91
Randy Maheux - 12 Dec 2004 09:24 GMT
Thanks all.  I think I am going with the Yoko ES 100s.

When I checked with a local dealer today, he pushed both a Hancook K 106 and
a Fuzion ZRi.  The negative reports at the Tire Rack site steer me away from
the Hancook, but the Fuzion got good reviews there.  I wonder if $15 a tire
is worth taking the chance?  Any feedback?

Also, in poking about the web, I learned that the original Bridgestone
Touranzas that came with my 03 SE have a treadwear rating of 170!  The other
tires discussed are rated between 200 and 280.  I know you can't compare
these numbers between brands, but they numbers do give a general idea.  No
wonder I only got 18,000 miles out of the Bridgestones!  How unlike a
manufacturer - what ever possessed Mazda....

Randy

> I have an '03 that came with Bridgstone Touranza EA30s in 205/45-R16 size.
> I have not been too impressed with them.  Besides, at 18,000 miles, they are
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> AVS ES100, all priced between $80 and $90.  I would appreciate any feedback
> about them or other tire suggestions.
tooloud - 24 Dec 2004 07:11 GMT
> Thanks all.  I think I am going with the Yoko ES 100s.
>
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> there.  I wonder if $15 a tire is worth taking the chance?  Any
> feedback?

Probably not. I seriously doubt they'll be anywhere near the quality of the
ES100s. Last time I was looking for tires, I stopped at a place and asked
what they had in stock. The manager told me that the only thing they had was
a set of Daytons, but that they were really good tires. I declined and he
made the smartass comment "Not good enough for you?". I looked him square in
the eye and told him "Not even close" as I walked out the door.

Local tire dealers generally have absolutely no idea which ones are good. I
recently put new tires on my work vehicle and had a salesman tell me that
the "Big O" house brand tires were the best they had--this from a store that
stocked Michelin, BF Goodrich, Yokohama, etc. I inquired about the
name-brand tires and was repeatedly pointed towards the house brand. I
finally just walked out because it was clear that the salesman wasn't
interested in selling me anything else.

> Also, in poking about the web, I learned that the original Bridgestone
> Touranzas that came with my 03 SE have a treadwear rating of 170!
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> Bridgestones!  How unlike a manufacturer - what ever possessed
> Mazda....

18k miles? Sounds like an excuse to get some *real* rubber on there. I got
almost 15k miles out of my Toyo T1-Ss and it was well worth the price.

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tooloud - 26 Dec 2004 01:00 GMT
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DBLZOOM - 12 Dec 2004 19:14 GMT
I have been looking at Kumho 711s.  Anyone with any experience with
these?  I don't want ultra performance tires, just a good high
performance tire.  Tirerack seems to rate these pretty good.
 
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