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Tom Howlin - 13 Feb 2005 13:45 GMT
I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a
Corvette.  I really like the new C6 coupe but am seriously wondering if
within days I'll be regretting a 50K purchase and wanting back my little
car.  Unfortunately, my insurance company was no help, insuring the
Vette only cost $120 more per six months than the Miata (360 vs. 240).
Hoping someone else on this group has faced this crisis and found
reasons not to spend all that money.  I know this sounds childish but
I've lusted after a Vette for 40 years and this is the first time
they've put together a package that makes "sense".  The Corvette forums
are useless snce they are all diehards and can find no wrong with their
cars and look down upon us Miata owners.  Perhaps someone here has owned
both and can dissuade me from spending more for a car than I did my
first two houses.  TIA for any "counseling" that can be provided.

Tom
92 Red
pws - 13 Feb 2005 15:58 GMT
> I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
> ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a
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> Tom
> 92 Red

Can't do it. The Corvette is probably the ONLY American car that I would
ever consider buying. Still, if I could afford $50K to spend on a car, I
would also keep an older miata as a second toy.

Pat
Lanny Chambers - 13 Feb 2005 16:28 GMT
> I know this sounds childish but
> I've lusted after a Vette for 40 years and this is the first time
> they've put together a package that makes "sense".

This is a no-brainer, Tom. You don't want to die wondering if you blew a
life opportunity by passing up the Vette--better to take the leap while
you're young enough to enjoy it, and see what happens. If it's a
mistake, you'll deal with it and move on, but you won't suffer the
regret of indecision.

And I'd keep the Miata, if possible. It's not worth much as a trade, and
you won't want to be without a roadster for those beautiful spring days
and warm summer nights.

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Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
'94C
the alignment page:
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

Natman - 13 Feb 2005 16:43 GMT
>I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
>ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>Tom
>92 Red

Gas mileage? Paying 50K for a car half again as big with no more room?
Having to deal with the members of the Corvette forums vs. Miata
forums? Knowing that you could buy a nice low mileage Miata for what
you will lose in depreciation the first day?

OTOH you only live once and it's only money.
gatorcellman@yahoo.com - 13 Feb 2005 17:01 GMT
Tom, like some of the other responses, I would buy the Vette but keep
the Miata. Tell your insurance agent that the Miata will be a low use
vehicle, put enough liability to keep yourself protected, then do away
with any collision. You'll keep your insurance cost down and be able to
have both. I'm thinking of using the same logic with a new Boxter and
my 50k mile '90. (I have another daily driver)
Generic - 13 Feb 2005 17:39 GMT
>I know this sounds childish but
> I've lusted after a Vette for 40 years and this is the first time
> they've put together a package that makes "sense".  The Corvette forums
> are useless snce they are all diehards and can find no wrong with their
> cars and look down upon us Miata owners.

You've nailed it! Corvettes are the "attainable dream car" for a lot of
American buyers. Most of them lusted for decades so they are not about to
find any flaws at this point.

>Perhaps someone here has owned
> both and can dissuade me from spending more for a car than I did my
> first two houses.  TIA for any "counseling" that can be provided.

It's just a car. If you can truly afford it there's nothing wrong with
buying one. On the other hand there are thousands of cheap cast off old
dream Corvettes for sale that were babied by their first owners.

-John
USAROVER - 13 Feb 2005 19:34 GMT
Buy the 'Vette, keep the Miata, pick me up for a ride!
>>I know this sounds childish but
>> I've lusted after a Vette for 40 years and this is the first time
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>
> -John
Dana H. Myers - 13 Feb 2005 19:40 GMT
> I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
> ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a
> Corvette.

If you can truly afford the 'Vette and you want it,
don't die wondering if you made a mistake (you're
probably better off buying the 'Vette than drinking a
1961 Cheval Blanc out of a foam cup at a burger joint).

It sounds like you might be able to afford to keep
a Miata, as well.  Cars aren't like women (despite
romantic notions to the contrary), they don't
get jealous, you can have more than one at a time.

So my helpful counseling is - just do it.

;-)
The Millers - 13 Feb 2005 19:40 GMT
Think about it.  It's not like you can take either one with you when you go,
so...

Just Do It!

Personally, I thought the C5 was one of the best iterations of the Corvette.
That is, until I saw a C6 up close.  Chevy will have a tough time topping
this one 10 years from now.

If, in the afterglow, you find it's not what you thought, I doubt finding
your way back into a Miata will be tough to pull off.

Oh yeah, take if from someone who knows -- there is nothing like a V8 with a
stick.  Nothing!
Dana H. Myers - 13 Feb 2005 20:26 GMT
> Oh yeah, take if from someone who knows -- there is nothing like a V8 with a
> stick.  Nothing!

Except maybe a V-10 with a stick...

;-)

Dana
The Millers - 13 Feb 2005 21:44 GMT
Never drove a V10 powered vehicle, but in theory it would have to be more
fun, wouldn't it?

 V6 w/stick = fun

 V8 w/stick = BLAST

 V10 w/stick ~= "Hang on, Martha, I'll peel you off the seat!"

However, where can you find a V10 Rocket that's priced like a Vette?  Dodge
Ram, maybe, but I don't think they handle quite the same.  ;-)

ps:  Before I raise too many eyebrows -- Miata w/stick = Nirvana

>> Oh yeah, take if from someone who knows -- there is nothing like a V8
>> with a stick.  Nothing!
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>
> Dana
Dana H. Myers - 13 Feb 2005 23:49 GMT
> Never drove a V10 powered vehicle, but in theory it would have to be more
> fun, wouldn't it?
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> However, where can you find a V10 Rocket that's priced like a Vette?  Dodge
> Ram, maybe, but I don't think they handle quite the same.  ;-)

Yeah, I haven't really shopped for a Viper, but they're probably
20-25% more than a 'Vette.

But we weren't looking at bang/buck ratio, were we?  If
we were, a Mazdaspeed Miata or a WRX STi probably wins.

> ps:  Before I raise too many eyebrows -- Miata w/stick = Nirvana
>
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>>
>>Dana
chuckk - 15 Feb 2005 04:03 GMT
Now if there was a way to stretch the Miata hood enough for a V10- Hmm!

>> Never drove a V10 powered vehicle, but in theory it would have to be more
>> fun, wouldn't it?
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>>>
>>>Dana
Dana H. Myers - 15 Feb 2005 06:18 GMT
> Now if there was a way to stretch the Miata hood enough for a V10- Hmm!

That'd start getting into the AC Cobra territory in a big
way.  Actually, the thought of building a Cobra 427 replica
would have been preposterous to me 15 years ago but now it
sounds like a fun project if all the planets were to line up.

Building a stretched "Cobra 490"; whew... that'd be a money pit.

:-)

Dana
Heckler - 16 Feb 2005 18:40 GMT
> Never drove a V10 powered vehicle, but in theory it would have to be more
> fun, wouldn't it?
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>
>   V10 w/stick ~= "Hang on, Martha, I'll peel you off the seat!"

V12 = Martha... I hope you're gonna clean that seat.   :)

H
Dana H. Myers - 16 Feb 2005 18:44 GMT
>> Never drove a V10 powered vehicle, but in theory it would have to be
>> more fun, wouldn't it?
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>>
>>   V10 w/stick ~= "Hang on, Martha, I'll peel you off the seat!"

> V12 = Martha... I hope you're gonna clean that seat.   :)

Though, the V-12s out there don't seem to be quite the
big-block American monsters that the V-10s are.

Dana
Heckler - 20 Feb 2005 19:37 GMT
>>> Never drove a V10 powered vehicle, but in theory it would have to be
>>> more fun, wouldn't it?
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>
> Dana

It's not about the power, it's about the sound... You rally can't beat
the sound an Aston Martin Vanquish makes.

H
Dana H. Myers - 21 Feb 2005 18:52 GMT
>> Though, the V-12s out there don't seem to be quite the
>> big-block American monsters that the V-10s are.

> It's not about the power, it's about the sound... You rally can't beat
> the sound an Aston Martin Vanquish makes.

:-)
The Millers - 21 Feb 2005 20:59 GMT
nothing makes a sound like a Ferrari...

>>> Though, the V-12s out there don't seem to be quite the
>>> big-block American monsters that the V-10s are.
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>
> :-)
gixer - 22 Feb 2005 15:46 GMT
Except maybe a Maseratti?

;)

> nothing makes a sound like a Ferrari...
>
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>>
>> :-)
The Millers - 23 Feb 2005 03:02 GMT
Aw, get over it!

> Except maybe a Maseratti?
>
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>>>
>>> :-)
HardwareLust - 13 Feb 2005 20:25 GMT
> I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
> ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Tom
> 92 Red

Tom,

I, too, have lusted after a 'vette since 1992.  It's simple, as most
everyone has already said.  Buy the 'vette coupe, and keep the Miata.  Your
Miata is worth squat as a trade-in anyway, and I can't see going from a
convertible to a coupe.

If you were going to completely replace the Miata, I don't see why you're
not considering the C6 convertible? They're even going to produce a Z06
convertible later this year as well.  I think that would be the only car
worth considering to replace a Miata.

If I had the money (and room in my garage) myself, I'd be seriously thinking
about doing the same thing.

Regards,
H.
BallroomDancer - 14 Feb 2005 00:30 GMT
> I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
> ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a Corvette.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> spending more for a car than I did my first two houses.  TIA for any
> "counseling" that can be provided.
My info is a bit dated. I've had two Vettes, a 1961 and 1968. Lost a job and
had to get rid of the first one. On the 68, I bought it used for $3000 (my
mother told me about it - its owner worked with her, was getting married,
his bride-to-be insisted that he get rid of it and get a family car), kept
it for 4 years, and sold it for $3800. At that time, almost all the gadgets
on the car were vaccuum operated, there was a bundle of hoses that ran
through the center of the car that was 4" in diameter, and they leaked as
they got older. I was a perfectionist on it, and wanted everything working.
Plug changes - let it cool down overnight, then 7 of the 8 came out fairly
easy, the last one needed a contortionist with a lot of snapon tools. I did
enjoy the car. It wasn't as much sports car as the Fiat spyder I had later,
or the Opel GT, or the MG-B (or my present 328 BMW convertible). It also
wasn't as much true sports car at the time as my wife's 1997 Miata.
GM has refined the car over the years. My feeling is that of a lot of your
responders - get the Vette, if you can afford it, it will not preclude your
doing the other things that you need to do (family responsibilities, giving
to church/charity as you feel needed, etc.).  If you can do it, keep the
Miata, you can always sell it 3 months later if you really feel that you
don't need it.
My Fiat was the only car I owned twice - I traded it for a 3/4 ton van, then
bought it back a year later (10mpg on the van, 40mpg on the roadster); that
turned me on to having two cars. Even with one new car, they do break down
and you need something to drive. Two used cars don't cost that much more
(mostly the extra insurance), and you've still got a ride.
BTW, I did drive the BMW roadster also before buying the 4 seater, the 4
seater handled just as good as the roadster.
Jim
seasalt726@netscape.net - 14 Feb 2005 06:37 GMT
If you got the money, then it's only money. Enjoy that Corvette. Set up
a road trip  to Bowling Green to pick it up.
Scott - 14 Feb 2005 07:33 GMT
> I've lusted after a Vette for 40 years and this is the first time
> they've put together a package that makes "sense".
> Tom
> 92 Red

I currently own a tastefully modified '91 Miata, but in the past (many,
many years ago) I owned two '67 Vettes, so I understand anyone lusting
after one.

While I am sure I would love driving a new Vette, I can't get past the
looks of the car.  To me the styling just doesn't look right.  I think
the car is too small for the design. The rear end doesn't look very good
and the front end, dare I say it, looks Japanese, which is not
necessarily bad--unless, of course, you want an American V8 sports car.
 I wouldn't pay 50K for a car no matter how good it was if I wasn't
happy with the way it looked.

Now if you like the looks of the car and have the money, I would say buy it.
Alex Rodriguez - 14 Feb 2005 22:59 GMT
>I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
>ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>both and can dissuade me from spending more for a car than I did my
>first two houses.  TIA for any "counseling" that can be provided.

I would gor for the C6, and keep the Miata.  A 14 year old Miata has very
little trade in value, so why not keep it?  I have only heard great things
about the new C6, just like I have only heard great things about Miatas.  I
wish I could insure two cars for 1200 a year.  
-------------
Alex
Ken Lyons - 14 Feb 2005 23:48 GMT
OK Tom, I've seen your Miata. Here's what I offer: Sell me the '92 for $1500
and buy the 'Vette. I'll sign a contract that states if at any time in the
next 12 months you don't feel you made the right decision I'll sell you your
Miata back for $1500. I promise not to drive the snot out of it. Seriously,
call me if you want to sell it.

BTW, my OTM mechanic sold his Corvette to start his auto repair business,
swearing that as soon as he could afford it he would get another. He now has
a very clean white C5, partially due to the money I've spent keeping our
former OTM Chrysler Concorde in operating condition.
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Ken Lyons '97 Brilliant Black/'90 Classic Red/('92 Classic Red?)
Inside the Beltway
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Tom Howlin - 15 Feb 2005 00:17 GMT
Ken,

It's a tough decision because I dearly love that little car but the
Vette is calling to me.  Of course, I found out today that ordering one
is out of the question since the dealers (at least in Fredericksburg and
Richmond) are selling out of their allottments and so don't have any
ordering room.  If I'm going to spend that kind of money, it has to be
exactly what I want and not something I'm settling for.  They told me
today that 2005 production will continue through August instead of
ending in June like normal and things might not free up until the 2006
models are released (I guess they replenish their allottment at that
time).  I think the advice on here is sound, keep the Miata no matter
what I do, at least until I decide if I made the right decision.

If I ever do decide to sell it, it will almost certainly have to go to a
member of the Miata family from this newsgroup or miata.net.  As stupid
as it sounds, it would really bother me if some youngster bought it and
decided to rice it up or add a body kit of something equally destructive
to the character of the car.  I'll call you if it ever does go up for sale.

Thanks to everyone's input, not that it talked me down at all!  Even my
wife is supportive with the same argument, you only live once.

Tom
92 Red
05/06 Vette to Be? (red, but of course!)

> OK Tom, I've seen your Miata. Here's what I offer: Sell me the '92 for $1500
> and buy the 'Vette. I'll sign a contract that states if at any time in the
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> a very clean white C5, partially due to the money I've spent keeping our
> former OTM Chrysler Concorde in operating condition.
Lanny Chambers - 15 Feb 2005 04:01 GMT
> Of course, I found out today that ordering one
> is out of the question since the dealers (at least in Fredericksburg and
> Richmond) are selling out of their allottments and so don't have any
> ordering room.

Those aren't the only Chevy dealers on the planet. For the right car,
you might consider flying almost anywhere and driving it back.

Signature

Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
'94C
the alignment page:
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

Ken Lyons - 15 Feb 2005 23:46 GMT
> Those aren't the only Chevy dealers on the planet. For the right car,
> you might consider flying almost anywhere and driving it back.

"BRUCE HASKIN" <BruJan@webtv.net> wrote
> Say Tom, I don't think they are out of allottments here in Seattle !

http://www.flyi.com/
$84.00 one way to Seattle from Dulles. Unfortunately starting May 1.
Signature

Ken Lyons '97 Brilliant Black/'90 Classic Red
Inside the Beltway
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BRUCE HASKIN - 15 Feb 2005 04:38 GMT
Say Tom, I don't think they are out of allottments here in Seattle ! You
order one and I will go pick it up and drive it to your house  :-) .....
what do you think ?  :-)  ( I would even buy the gas ! )

     Bruce     RED    '91  ( in Seattle )
DH - 17 Feb 2005 21:18 GMT
> If I ever do decide to sell it...

DON'T SELL THE MIATA.

I went through this situation last year. Bought a Subaru STi, drove it for
six months--12,000 miles--and sold it. Sure it's awesomely fast, tight,
reasonable gas mileage, great on gravel and snow, more practical than a
Miata, blah, blah. All the car mags love the STi and the Corvette.

But: High performance sports cars are not, in daily use, nearly as much fun
as a little Miata. The Miata is fun because in normal daily driving you can
push towards its limits a bit, say on the highway entrance ramp. In a real
performance car like a Corvette or an STi, the limits are so high that you
can't get near them on the road. In a 50 mph situation where your Miata is
fun, the Corvette will be boring. Are you going to be screaming around at
130 mph on your daily commute? I didn't think so.

LUCKILY for me, I didn't sell my Miata. Just kept it parked in the garage
for six months. Then one nice day last spring I got it out and put the top
down and went for a drive, and when I got home I took the STi back to the
dealer...
Bryan - 15 Feb 2005 03:30 GMT
> I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
> ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a Corvette.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Tom
> 92 Red

Just as a note, the 2006 model is offering a 7.0L 427 "small block"
engine...  500hp and 7000rpm redline.  Slightly more info at:
http://www.chevrolet.com/corvettez06/
Dana H. Myers - 15 Feb 2005 05:30 GMT
> Just as a note, the 2006 model is offering a 7.0L 427 "small block"
> engine...  500hp and 7000rpm redline.  Slightly more info at:
> http://www.chevrolet.com/corvettez06/

Excellent.  Retro displacement and modern technology.
This will clearly get the Mustang newsgroup all worked up.

Dana
Red - 15 Feb 2005 20:37 GMT
> I'm having an automtoive crisis!  After 14 years of blissful Miata
> ownership, I'm seriously considering going to the dark side of a
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Tom
> 92 Red

Maybe this partial reality check will help.

http://www.canadiandriver.com/discus/messages/67/26681.html
 
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