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mac - 14 Mar 2005 12:55 GMT
Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
Lanny Chambers - 14 Mar 2005 17:13 GMT
> Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
> acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
> the wires are OK.

No, they're not. Change the wires.

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Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
'94C
the alignment page:
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

Mac - 26 Apr 2005 23:39 GMT
Hi Mac...
Saw yer post from last month...
This is way wierd....My name is Mac too,and I gots the same problem with my
90 Miata.
Started about 3 weeks ago.....always had a little dip in power around 3800
rpm....so I went and got a KN air filter.
Things were OK for a week,then ,really very quickly,started losing lower at
low rpm.
I have since>>>
Replaced plugs and wires and fuel filter.
Had timing checked,all good,compression checked(all about 150,very good),
Exhaust system clear(can see through cat converter too,very good),
Air sensor traded out,even
dumped a bottle of injector cleaner in  it,no change.
All in all,about $350 spent,and still no better.
Going through way too much gas too.
Tail pipe showing alot of black,seems to be running very rich,but plugs are
clean,and don't look like they are carboned up at all.The only code that
came up when we plugged it in was about t the crank indicator sensor,but
that may have been a result of when we did the compression test.
My question to you is,did U find anything else with yours?I am running out
of ideas.
I am getting the injectors cleaned tomorrow,but really don't expect
much(ya...am getting a bit P-O'd.....so my expectations are dropping.)
What it feels like when driving is like it's got something blocking,either
air or fuel...and sorta like it just won't blow through,y'know?
Any solution U might have come up with would be appreciated.
( the guy who responded to your post said your wires were the problem,and I
replaced mine...did U?)
Thanx
Mac

>> Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
>> acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
>> the wires are OK.
>
> No, they're not. Change the wires.
Leon van Dommelen - 27 Apr 2005 00:32 GMT
>Hi Mac...
>Saw yer post from last month...
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>My question to you is,did U find anything else with yours?I am running out
>of ideas.

http://www.miata.net/garage/crankshaft.html

>I am getting the injectors cleaned tomorrow,but really don't expect
>much(ya...am getting a bit P-O'd.....so my expectations are dropping.)
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>>
>> No, they're not. Change the wires.

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mac - 27 Apr 2005 22:55 GMT
I changed the fuel filter, plugs and wires before I did the crank
loctite fix. Not sure what yours is since you have checked the timing
and all the rest of the stuff that you have done.  How about the
clutch??  Is is OK?  Any lose on hills?

>>Hi Mac...
>>Saw yer post from last month...
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
>>>
>>> No, they're not. Change the wires.
C.Herber - 14 Mar 2005 19:37 GMT
Yep ,
althought the wires lookes oke,
be wise and changed them.
First thing to do in your case.
You'll be surprised

> Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
> acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
> the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
> good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
XS11E - 14 Mar 2005 20:42 GMT
> Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
> acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
> the wires are OK.

You could check the wires, just start the engine and raise the hood at
night.  See all the pretty blue halos around the wires?  If so, they're
not OK.

> Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a good cleaner for
> them.

Lots of folks say Chevron gas with Techron is a good cleaner for your
injectors.

Here in the winter time we have to have oxygenated fuel and any fuel
containing MTBE will do a good job of cleaning injectors.  You can look
in your auto parts store for a cleaner, it will probably contain MTBE.
mac - 17 Mar 2005 02:08 GMT
Thanks for all the help.  Have ordered a set of wires.

>Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
>acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
>the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
>good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
Mo Freedom - 17 Mar 2005 04:56 GMT
Please report that you do in fact have a 90' that HASN'T had the dreaded
disolving crank keyway. Loss of power similar to the spark plug wire
symptom is a tell tale sign. Check to see how far off the the timing mark
is from top dead center by using the dip stick in number one cylinder
trick. (timing retards beyond advance of crank angle sensor adjustment-
no way to get timing correct until crank is fixed) Miata.net of course
has all the particulars in the garage section.
good luck from a fellow 90' owner.

> Thanks for all the help.  Have ordered a set of wires.
>
> >Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
> >acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
> >the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
> >good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
mac - 18 Mar 2005 00:09 GMT
Thanks.  Can't find the reference to the dip stick trick?? More help
here please.

>Please report that you do in fact have a 90' that HASN'T had the dreaded
>disolving crank keyway. Loss of power similar to the spark plug wire
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> >the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
>> >good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
mac - 17 Mar 2005 23:51 GMT
Changed out the wires and no luck.  Will be checking the timing next.
Hope it is not that.

>Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
>acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
>the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
>good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
Lanny Chambers - 18 Mar 2005 00:55 GMT
> Changed out the wires and no luck.  Will be checking the timing next.
> Hope it is not that.

Look at the crank pulley when the engine is idling. Does it wobble? If
so, the crank nose is probably failing. The loss of power is due to cam
timing drift.

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Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
'94C
the alignment page:
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

mac - 18 Mar 2005 02:21 GMT
So if it is the crank key problem and it is damaged, where is a good
place to get a new or rebuilt engine??

>Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
>acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
>the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
>good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
Lanny Chambers - 18 Mar 2005 04:09 GMT
> So if it is the crank key problem and it is damaged, where is a good
> place to get a new or rebuilt engine??

A junkyard. An average used 1992 or 1993 engine with less than 100k
miles on it should extend your '90's life for years. The crank was
redesigned partway through the 1991 model year.

However, many owners have had good results repairing a damaged keyway
with Loctite. If it works, you will have saved a bundle; if not, you've
only lost a few bucks and a couple of hours. See miata.net for all the
gory details.

Don't get overwrought about crankshafts until you've diagnosed your
problem, though. It might be something less dire.

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Lanny Chambers, St. Louis, USA
'94C
the alignment page:
http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html

Jeff & Missy - 24 Mar 2005 23:11 GMT
I have a 90 with similar symptoms.  Couldn't see the wobble of the crank
pulley so took it to a dealer who said it's going (checked the timing I
guess).  You mention the Loctite fix...has it been successful?

Jeff
'90 Red
mac - 25 Mar 2005 00:48 GMT
Going to try it this weekend if the weather permits.  Will post here
one way or the other.

>I have a 90 with similar symptoms.  Couldn't see the wobble of the crank
>pulley so took it to a dealer who said it's going (checked the timing I
>guess).  You mention the Loctite fix...has it been successful?
>
>Jeff
>'90 Red
mac - 23 Apr 2005 20:47 GMT
Eventhough the loctite fix seems to be working I am getting the engine
replaced with one that only has 80k on it.  My existing engine has
244k on it.  Hope to get at least 3 more years out of it.

>I have a 90 with similar symptoms.  Couldn't see the wobble of the crank
>pulley so took it to a dealer who said it's going (checked the timing I
>guess).  You mention the Loctite fix...has it been successful?
>
>Jeff
>'90 Red
Jeff & Missy - 29 Apr 2005 21:39 GMT
Happy to hear the loctite fix is holding.  I'm having it done to my 90 next
week.  I only have 109K on the engine so my hope is the fix lasts a while.

Jeff
mac - 26 Mar 2005 20:19 GMT
Got it installed today. No major problems, do need the holder to keep
the shaft from moving.  Will be putting it all back together next
weekend and will post more on if it works.

Need help on how to align all the shafts.  Was some moving with all
this and the timing is way off now. Where are the points to line up
for the belt??

>Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
>acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
>the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
>good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
mac - 03 Apr 2005 19:26 GMT
well got it back together today.  So far so good.  Runs fine, but only
time will tell. Not that difficult of a task to do, but was not fun by
any means.

>Have a 1990 Miata and have just started getting hardly no power, no
>acceleration, at low rpm.  Have changed the fuel filter and plugs and
>the wires are OK.  Could it be the injectors, and if so, what is a
>good cleaner for them.  Thanks.
Jeff & Missy - 06 Apr 2005 02:43 GMT
Was wondering if I might "pick your brain" as to how difficult the Loctite
fix was.  I'm just a weekend garage mechanic and I'd appreciate your
thoughts on any potential problems you encountered.

Jeff
'90 Red
mac - 06 Apr 2005 23:36 GMT
Same here on the weekend part.  If you can change a timing belt you
can do this fix.  Hardest part was getting the timing alignment done.
The crank will turn so the bracket part is good to use if you don't
want to have to align the timing.  Has been 3 days driving so far so
good.  This engine has around 240k on it, so it did not develop for a
long time.  I might still replace the engine with a good used one if I
keep the car.
If you have any other questions, ask away.

>Was wondering if I might "pick your brain" as to how difficult the Loctite
>fix was.  I'm just a weekend garage mechanic and I'd appreciate your
>thoughts on any potential problems you encountered.
>
>Jeff
>'90 Red
 
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