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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / April 2005

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Steve K - 25 Mar 2005 19:14 GMT
How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
the year. of your Miata. Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
always turned over what sounds like a tad slower than my other two
vehicles. But the same as from day one, so I consider that normal. Only
fire mine up about once a week, for a round a 14 mi. trip, ea. way. If I
have just traveled to a spot in town, it seems to turn over a little
quicker having just been used. Comments???

P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
months, here in N.Ca. :-).
josh - 25 Mar 2005 20:11 GMT
> How many of you are still on the original Miata battery??

2000 model about 56K miles driven daily (commute, etc.).

still orig. battery, nothing abnormal to report.  no signs of dying.

it's definitely outlasted my expectation, given the lifetime of other
batteries in my other cars.  Usually those died within 4-5 years of new.
George R. Burke - 25 Mar 2005 22:34 GMT
> How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
> the year. of your Miata. Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
> months, here in N.Ca. :-).

99 bought new in April 98.Battery was still plenty strong when I traded
it for a Mazdaspeed last July.
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HardwareLust - 26 Mar 2005 00:55 GMT
> How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
> the year. of your Miata. Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
> months, here in N.Ca. :-).

My '91's original battery lasted until well into 1998.  My current car, a
'99, still has the original battery, but oddly enough I was just thinking
about getting a new one.  On a couple of cold mornings this past month, it
was cranking really slowly.

H.
Steve K - 26 Mar 2005 01:55 GMT
Thanks for your responses, so far. I'm thinking about replacing mine in
the next few months, not because it seems to be acting differently.
Cranked over, all winter long, even when sitting up to a week and 1/2,
and never really ever slower. Like I said always has been a tad slower
than my other two. Once when having lunch with an old co-worker friend,
when I went to crank it on, getting ready to leave, he asked me if I
ever had the battery tested`. I told him that that was the way this car
always cranks over. Seems normal to me, for that car. Just maybe the
type of starter Mazda uses. Not really noticebly slow, just a tad slower
(Hope that makes sense :-) )). Anyway, I'm considering getting one
anyway, since they are so difficult to find, not in your everyday Sears,
Kragens or Grand Auto, I don't want to find myself one day with a
totally dead battery, and then having a difficult time getting one. Our
Auto Zone Stores carry a Durolast, but even though they all seems to
list them, they never ( At least the one near me), never has one,
telling me the nearest one that does, often times 14-30 mi. away; an
inconvenience for sure.
If the Auto Zone a mi. from me happens to actually have one the next
time I check, I'll probably scoot over with my tools, and like Larry the
Cable guy says, Just, "Get er done,">>lol.
Barry - 28 Mar 2005 02:37 GMT
> My current car, a
> '99, still has the original battery, but oddly enough I was just thinking
> about getting a new one.  On a couple of cold mornings this past month, it
> was cranking really slowly.

Same thing for me, 1999 model, 63K miles, driven daily, and this winter for
the first time was a little sluggish cranking when left outside on cold
nights.  I'll probably replace the battery in the fall.
Leon van Dommelen - 26 Mar 2005 04:11 GMT
>How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
>the year. of your Miata.

I still have my 1996 original battery.  It is still fine, though
I bought a Westco replacement a few years ago mistakenly thinking
the battery was bad.  I keep one on a battery tender and use the
other.

Actually, I find that both may be unable to start the car if it has
stood for a few days and it is still freezing when I try to
get away.  Happened a couple of times in the last one or two years.
I just swap the battery from the tender with the one in the car and
I am off.  :)

> Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
>always turned over what sounds like a tad slower than my other two
>vehicles. But the same as from day one, so I consider that normal. Only
>fire mine up about once a week, for a round a 14 mi. trip, ea. way. If I
>have just traveled to a spot in town, it seems to turn over a little
>quicker having just been used. Comments???

Even when the car is parked, there is a dark current draining the
battery.  In addition, the battery will be hotter after a trip.

Leon

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William Seaby - 26 Mar 2005 05:35 GMT
1994 original battery, still kicking it over, every day...

Bill Seaby

>How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
>the year. of your Miata. Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>months, here in N.Ca. :-).
Christopher Muto - 26 Mar 2005 14:14 GMT
'95 original battery, seems happy, but did crank slower on those bitter cold
days.
fyi, get the exact fit westco battery as a replacement, not a mazda battery.
this describes the issue better than i can...
http://www.miata.net/garage/battery.html and if you have any fears about
yours dieing...  http://www.miata.net/garage/jumpstart.html

> How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
> the year. of your Miata. Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
Christopher Muto - 02 Apr 2005 00:14 GMT
turns out that i don't have the original battery in my '95 triple black...
i discovered that the dealer had a record of the battery being replaced in
12/02.  that battery says mazda on it so it is a factory replacement.
anyone know a way for me to tell if it is a glass matt or the lead/acid type
that i hear mazda is using as replacements these days...  if it isn't the
glass matt type then i probably will have to replace it in a year.  thanks.

> '95 original battery, seems happy, but did crank slower on those bitter
> cold days.
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>> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
M. Cantera - 02 Apr 2005 17:14 GMT
Sealed battery will has the vent blocks (square things on top of the
battery) glued to the battey.  Lead acid has removable blocks/plugs so
that you can add periodically add distilled water to the battery.

You should ba able to pull the part number from the battery/work
order/dealer and find out what type it is.

>turns out that i don't have the original battery in my '95 triple black...
>i discovered that the dealer had a record of the battery being replaced in
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>>> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>>> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
XS11E - 02 Apr 2005 17:18 GMT
> Lead acid has removable blocks/plugs so that you can add periodically
> add distilled water to the battery.

Not always true, there are sealed lead acid batteries.

I should know, I have two of 'em on my main ride:

http://members.cox.net/xs11e/Celebrity.jpg

Since it's sometimes necessary to take scooters and wheelchairs aboard
commercial aircraft the FAA requires they be fitted with sealed
batteries, the two common types are gel and lead acid, both are
completely sealed with no vent holes, removable caps, etc.
Grant Edwards - 02 Apr 2005 17:31 GMT
> Sealed battery will has the vent blocks (square things on top
> of the battery) glued to the battey.  Lead acid has removable
> blocks/plugs so that you can add periodically add distilled
> water to the battery.

<pedant>

Aargh. I can't take it any more. _All_ types of batteries being
discussed are lead-acid batteries.  Sealed lead-acid batteries
are lead-acid, AGM's are lead-acid, gel-cells are lead-acid,
and normally vented liquid electrolyte lead-acid batteries
are lead-acid.

The differences between them are the physical construction of
the case (open vents vs. pressure relief valves) and the
physical form of the electrolyte (liquid, silica-gel, or
liquid-soaked-fiberglass).

They all use lead-acid chemistry.

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Jim Mc Donald - 26 Mar 2005 14:42 GMT
1994 Red "R" and still going strong.

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> How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
> the year. of your Miata. Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
Terrance Wagner - 26 Mar 2005 15:15 GMT
Perhaps I should introduce myself to the group. We bought an 03 LS about 2
weeks ago. 2nd Mazda, 1st Miata. Have absolutely fallen in love with the
machine. The amazing thing is that my wife has as well!

I have wondered about the battery as well. Mine starts after turning over
what seems like about 4 or 5 times each time. I am used to my other cars and
bike starting on the 1st or 2nd revolution. It always catches me by surprise
that the Miata has to grind away for a second longer. She only has 17k miles
and I am not sure yet where it stands on maintenance. Could it simply be in
need of new plugs or wires, or could it be that the battery is not strong
enough?

Your thoughts would be appreciated.

TW

> 1994 Red "R" and still going strong.
>
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>> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
M. Cantera - 26 Mar 2005 16:13 GMT
Mine sometimes does that when I have a wad of keys on the keychain.  I
think too much metal interferes with the engine immobilizer.

You can allways have the battery tested.  The amperage a battery
delivers declines over time and that is a good indication of how much
life you may have left.  

You can also eyeball the cells. The cell closest to shorting may turn
cloudy before it goes bad.  However, this is ususally an indication
that the battery is already shot and you need a new one.

As far as battery life, it is greatly influence by freezeing.  Periods
of idleness (battery drains just sitting there, and this includes the
time the battery sits on the shelf at the store!!) and complete
drains.  If you drain a lead acid battery completely, it will never
return to the amperad capacity it had prior to being drained.

>Perhaps I should introduce myself to the group. We bought an 03 LS about 2
>weeks ago. 2nd Mazda, 1st Miata. Have absolutely fallen in love with the
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>>> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>>> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
Christopher Muto - 26 Mar 2005 16:53 GMT
i don't know if you were speaking generally about typical lead/acid
batteries or specifically about the miata factory installed glass-mat
type... mine is completely sealed and don't know of any way of looking
inside of it by means of other than destroying it... read this great article
below (but note that the terminal post issue with westco batteries is dated,
they now offer a perfect fit).
http://www.miata.net/garage/battery.html#orighttp://www.miata.net/garage/battery
.html#orig


> Mine sometimes does that when I have a wad of keys on the keychain.  I
> think too much metal interferes with the engine immobilizer.
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>>>> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>>>> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
M. Cantera - 26 Mar 2005 20:39 GMT
Sorry about not being specific.  You can only peek into conventional
lead-acid batteries. (i.e. those that require maintenance such as you
adding water on a regular basis.) The maintenance free batteries have
opeque stuff in between the plates, if you wanted to look into them.

As an aside, I worked in a facility that had an old uniterruptible
power supply made up of lead acid batteries with clear cases.  You
could always spot the if any was low on acid, or if it was going bad
in no time at all.


>i don't know if you were speaking generally about typical lead/acid
>batteries or specifically about the miata factory installed glass-mat
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>>>>> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>>>>> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
Christopher Muto - 26 Mar 2005 21:42 GMT
no need to apologize, was just looking for clarity... there is certainly
lots that i don't know...  but after learning about miata glass-mat
batteries and reading that article (previously mentioned) i can't help but
wonder why they even put conventional lead/acid batteries any more.

and your point about a heavy key chain is interesting.  in fact, when i
first got the car and went to have copies made the locksmith told me that
miata's are really great cars but they have lousy locks and warned me to
never use force to turn the key (well you have to use some 'force', but you
know what i mean) and not to have a heavy key chain dangling from the
ignition.  those apparently are two great ways to ruin the locks.

> Sorry about not being specific.  You can only peek into conventional
> lead-acid batteries. (i.e. those that require maintenance such as you
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>>>>>> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
>>>>>> months, here in N.Ca. :-).
Roger Scow, Sr - 28 Mar 2005 21:59 GMT
> How many of you are still on the original Miata battery?? Please state
> the year. of your Miata. Mine is a 2000 MX5. Still seems to work. Has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> P.S. Gets used more during the good weather, beach going, summer/fall
> months, here in N.Ca. :-).

1997
Scott Hughes - 29 Mar 2005 16:57 GMT
shkarst@webtv.net (Steve K) wrote in news:19825-424454FC-222@storefull-
3132.bay.webtv.net:

> How many of you are still on the original Miata battery??

94 w/ about 150,000 mi.
Made it until this past winter.
 
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