Some red-light cameras are employed as safety devices. We have a few
here at historically-dangerous intersections, and they have helped.
However, in the more typical situation, the company that makes the
camera system approaches a local government and makes them an offer
they find difficult to refuse in times of shrinking budgets: let them
install cameras and process the resulting tickets, the company keeps
most of the ticket revenue, and the government receives a cut off the
top. If the tickets don't meet the company's revenue goals (i.e., if
the cameras actually work, and people stop running red lights), then
the company shortens the yellow phase so more drivers will be caught
running the red. In the best tradition of American business, the scheme
combines ruthless capitalism with the artificial manipulation of supply
and demand.Gottaluvit! www.photoblocker.com If is as advertised this
product called photoblocker spray is our rescuer. They state that it
was tested by the media on their website http://www.phantomplate.com/
On the videos, it also shows the police saying that it really works by
making your license plate invisible to traffic cameras.
Christopher Muto - 29 Mar 2005 01:09 GMT
in most states you can be both fined and jailed for the use of the likes of
photoblocker. so if you are a chronic red light running criminal that feels
the need to employ some sort of illegal anti camera spray to avoid fines
from running red lights then think again... you are likely to just incur
greater fines and some jail time too when the find you...
> Some red-light cameras are employed as safety devices. We have a few
> here at historically-dangerous intersections, and they have helped.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> On the videos, it also shows the police saying that it really works by
> making your license plate invisible to traffic cameras.
XS11E - 29 Mar 2005 02:02 GMT
> in most states you can be both fined and jailed for the use of the
> likes of photoblocker. so if you are a chronic red light running
> criminal that feels the need to employ some sort of illegal anti
> camera spray to avoid fines from running red lights then think
> again... you are likely to just incur greater fines and some jail
> time too when the find you...
Christopher, there's really no need to reply to a spammer.
Gus - 30 Mar 2005 07:21 GMT
Forget the spammer let's have some fun. In some states the law actually
requires you to stop for a yellow light. Here is what the Texas Drivers
Handbook has to say about yellow lights:
"Caution - red light coming up! You must STOP before entering the nearest
crosswalk at the intersection, if you can do so safely. If a stop cannot be
made safely, you may proceed cautiously through the intersection before the
light changes to red."
Long and the short of this is that your favorite Texas trooper can give you
a ticket for going through a yellow light if in his judgement it would have
been safe for you to stop. The defensive driving classes in Texas teach you
to learn to recognize an "old" green so you can stop before the light turns
yellow. The yellow light can't get much shorter than that!
Gus (91 BRG)
Leon van Dommelen - 30 Mar 2005 13:49 GMT
OK. WHO let in the foreigner?
>Forget the spammer let's have some fun. In some states the law actually
>requires you to stop for a yellow light. Here is what the Texas Drivers
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
>Gus (91 BRG)

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Grant Edwards - 30 Mar 2005 15:06 GMT
> The defensive driving classes in Texas teach you
> to learn to recognize an "old" green so you can stop before the light turns
> yellow. The yellow light can't get much shorter than that!
There are people who _don't_ know how to recognize an old green
light? And they're allowed to drive?

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Larry Gadbois - 30 Mar 2005 19:27 GMT
When I first began driving, you had red and green. It was illegal to enter
the intersection if the light was red. There were a few accidents because of
people that ran the red lights. They decided to add a 4 second yellow light
to warn people that the light was going to turn red. The additional warning
by the yellow light did not do much to reduce the number of accidents. It
just allowed people to step on it and speed up to make the lights as they
turned yellow. Maybe we need to add an orange light to the system. It would
be of course be located between the yellow and red lights. It would allow
more time to accelerate to make the light!
>> The defensive driving classes in Texas teach you
>> to learn to recognize an "old" green so you can stop before the light
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> There are people who _don't_ know how to recognize an old green
> light? And they're allowed to drive?
Leon van Dommelen - 31 Mar 2005 02:18 GMT
>> The defensive driving classes in Texas teach you
>> to learn to recognize an "old" green so you can stop before the light turns
>> yellow. The yellow light can't get much shorter than that!
>
>There are people who _don't_ know how to recognize an old green
>light?
It is a matter of Darwinian selection. Any place I know* you must
have a dead wish to stop before a green light because you think it
will soon turn yellow.
If so, I would try LA in a Miata or on a motorcycle. Stand on your
brake as soon as you see the pedestrian light start its first flicker.
Make sure your Toyos have plenty of profile and don't actually lock
the wheels. The SUV three feet behind you will be legally responsible
if she does not keep enough distance to stop in time and for comic
relief will also lose cell phone, bagel, and hot coffee. Might be able
to save a bit on your life insurance premiums there.
> And they're allowed to drive?
Isn't freedom great if you are in the majority?
Leon :)
* I should add, or where I drive. But one is much like the other.

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Grant Edwards - 31 Mar 2005 02:25 GMT
>>> The defensive driving classes in Texas teach you to learn to
>>> recognize an "old" green so you can stop before the light
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> must have a dead wish to stop before a green light because you
> think it will soon turn yellow.
I'm not saying people should stop at old green lights. I'm
just surprised that they have to be taught how to recognize
them in a defensive driving class.
Around here, you're likely to get rear-ended if you stop at a
yellow light (or at a red light that hasn't been red very
long).
>> And they're allowed to drive?
>
> Isn't freedom great if you are in the majority?
These days it seems I'm rarely in the majority.

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Alex Rodriguez - 01 Apr 2005 22:23 GMT
>Forget the spammer let's have some fun. In some states the law actually
>requires you to stop for a yellow light.
There is no law in any state requiring you to stop for a yellow.
>Here is what the Texas Drivers
>Handbook has to say about yellow lights:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>to learn to recognize an "old" green so you can stop before the light turns
>yellow. The yellow light can't get much shorter than that!
I wonder what you will be charged with? There is no law that says you have to
stop on a yellow. The one and only thing a yellow light means is that a red
light will be displayed in a short period of time. It means nothing more than
that.
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Jim Davidson - 29 Mar 2005 02:00 GMT
Leon van Dommelen - 29 Mar 2005 02:05 GMT
[Snip of still another SPAM and run post by this guy.]
The sprays do not work. The lab will enhance the picture and
also ticket you or worse for having a covered license tag.
And don't go back to this guy for a refund. No valid address.
Leon

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W. Kiernan - 30 Mar 2005 23:08 GMT
> The sprays do not work. The lab will enhance the picture and
> also ticket you or worse for having a covered license tag.
Exactly, what you need is that device which Q built into 007's
Aston-Martin. You simply press a button on the dash and the license
plate rotates under and another license plate with a different number
appears. That works great for traffic-light cameras, but what about
those patrol cars? Well, for that you'll want the rear-mounted smoke
generator and oil-sprayer, and if that traffic cop doesn't take the
hint, try the rocket-firing BSA motorcycle from "Thunderball."
yours WDK
Alex Rodriguez - 01 Apr 2005 22:20 GMT
>Some red-light cameras are employed as safety devices.
No they are not. All of them are simply installed to generate revenue. If
safety was the real concern, there are other ways to go about making an
intersection safer.
>We have a few
>here at historically-dangerous intersections, and they have helped.
Are you sure? I would be asking why other solutions weren't tried first.
Hiring a traffic engineer to examine the intersection is the first thing
that should be done. He can identify the source of the problem and then
make recommendations on what changes can be made to improve the intersections
safey record. The best part is that the cost is minimal and you end up
with changes that actually make the intersection safer. A camera by itself
does not make the intersection safer and can increase the number of rear
end accidents.
>However, in the more typical situation, the company that makes the
>camera system approaches a local government and makes them an offer
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>combines ruthless capitalism with the artificial manipulation of supply
>and demand.Gottaluvit!
Very few companies will shorten the yellow to get more money. One reason
being that they are opening themselves to being sued by anyone who has an
accident at the intersection.
>www.photoblocker.com If is as advertised this
>product called photoblocker spray is our rescuer. They state that it
>was tested by the media on their website http://www.phantomplate.com/
>On the videos, it also shows the police saying that it really works by
>making your license plate invisible to traffic cameras.
Ah! The real reason you posted was to spam the newsgroup. Anyone who is
thinking of buying this crap can just send me the money. You will get the
same benefits and you can feel better knowing the money will be spent on
car toys.
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Alex