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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / July 2005Water pump woes
My 1989 GXL engine, replaced with factory rebuild at 108,000 went belly up(june 20, 2005) on the freeway due to water pump failure ansubsequent overheat before I could safely stop. The garage elected to retain the original WP at the time of the swap (Feb 2002), which I agrred to with reluctance at thae time. Do I have any recourse to get the engine replaced or repaired for free? The WP was ok at that time, but other mechanics say the Wp should ALWAYS be replaced at swap time. Now, at age 73, retired on Social Security, I have no car, and after spending over $9,000 with that garage since 2002 to keep it in good shape, I'm feeling really cheated. Waht do you think? Wouldl a small claims judge think I have a case? Thanks in advance for your help. "egalas" <e.galas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in: > My 1989 GXL engine, replaced with factory rebuild at 108,000 went belly > up(june 20, 2005) on the freeway due to water pump failure ansubsequent [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Do I have any recourse to get the engine replaced or repaired for free? First, go to the shop that did the rebuild and discuss it with them, you want to talk to whoever is in charge and can make decisions. If you are turned down, notify the Better Business Bureau. > The WP was ok at that time, but other mechanics say the Wp should ALWAYS > be replaced at swap time. I agree. Water pumps aren't that expensive and can fail much sooner than 108,000 miles, it probably could have been replaced w/o any additional labor. > Now, at age 73, retired on Social Security, I have no car, and after > spending over $9,000 with that garage since 2002 to keep it in good shape, > I'm feeling really cheated. I don't blame you! > What do you think? Wouldl a small claims judge think I have a case? Maybe. The judge probably knows absolutely NOTHING about water pumps, 1989 GXLs, Mazdas OR automobiles. You'll have to bring sufficient evidence to convince him the pump should have been replaced. Can you bring enough witnesses (automotive experts) and evidence to prove it to him? > "egalas" <e.galas@sbcglobal.net> wrote in: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > convince him the pump should have been replaced. Can you bring enough > witnesses (automotive experts) and evidence to prove it to him? My own local Mazda dealer does not recommend automatically replacing the water pump when the timing belt is replaced. It's easy to say with hindsight in a particular case that it should have been done, but that doesn't mean it's really a good idea. Do we think my Mazda dealer is trying to suck more money out of me by giving me bad advice on purpose? "Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in: > My own local Mazda dealer does not recommend automatically replacing the > water pump when the timing belt is replaced. You've not been following the thread, have you? ;-) > Do we think my Mazda dealer is trying to suck more money out of me by > giving me bad advice on purpose? No, but I think he's wrong. > "Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in: > >> My own local Mazda dealer does not recommend automatically replacing the >> water pump when the timing belt is replaced. > > You've not been following the thread, have you? ;-) I thought there was an analogy between whether to replace the water pump when replacing the engine and when replacing the timing belt. I guess you don't think so. "Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in: >> "Frank Berger" <frank.d.berger@dal.frb.org> wrote in: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > when replacing the engine and when replacing the timing belt. I guess you > don't think so. No, I sure don't. First, replacing the timing belt w/o replacing the water pump is false economy just like not replacing the valve cover gasket, cam seals and crank seal. The additional cost is very small compared to what it will cost if any of these parts fail later, don't ask me how I know that.... Second, the OP said his engine was replaced at 108,000 miles, that's a lot more miles than the scheduled timing belt replacement and as proven by the OP, not replacing the water pump at that time was a mistake. > No, I sure don't. First, replacing the timing belt w/o replacing the water > pump is false economy just like not replacing the valve cover gasket, cam [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > more miles than the scheduled timing belt replacement and as proven by the > OP, not replacing the water pump at that time was a mistake. I agree. FWIW, which isn't much, I am now dealing with a broken 1991 miata with over 120K miles. It never had the timing belt or the water pump replaced. The water pump is now spewing coolant like a geyser, but the belt never did have a problem. I guess I could replace the water pump and re-use the timing belt, after all, it is only 15 years old. ;-) I still haven't seen a timing belt break before 100K on a miata. For peace of mind, I consider 80K a good time to change the belt. At that point, I wouldn't even consider putting a water pump with 80K miles back on when they are so relatively inexpensive. Pat pws <pwshelton@austin.rr.com> wrote in: > I still haven't seen a timing belt break before 100K on a miata. For > peace of mind, I consider 80K a good time to change the belt. At that > point, I wouldn't even consider putting a water pump with 80K miles back > on when they are so relatively inexpensive. Yup. Here's the cost breakdown... the shop I frequent charges about $265 labor for a timing belt job. http://www.mikes-place.biz/ Sooooo...... that means that if you don't replace the water pump you'll pay about $365 for a new one instead of $100 if it was done during the belt replacement. The same thing applies if the person who owned the car before you didn't replace the crank seal when the timing belt was replaced. Trust me, I know this for a fact and so does my bank account! |
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