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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / August 20052005 Miata MAZDASPEED
Hi! Owners of MAZDASPEEDs, From your experience, what is your general opinion about the car? When I test drove the car it seemed to have a sudden surge in power when the turbo kicked in. It wasn't very smooth. Do all the "mazdaspeeds" do this? Cheers, '99 Silver Miata They do it if you stomp on the accelerator and wait for the turbo to kick in. If you keep it above 4000 rpm once you are past 1st gear, you are in the power and just keed shifting gears till you reach your desired terminal velocity. You can also keep it out of the turbo, and they just ride like a stiffer Miata. Or you can play with the turbo on and off all day long. Its like having two cars in one, and you can't beat the pricing. The cars sell for no more than the LS with a couple of options go for. Some of the aftermarket turbos are more powerful, but you are talking about 3000 for the turbo, and then you need to upgrade the suspension, etc. For that king of money, I would go down to the Honda or Nissan store for an s2000 or a Z. >Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Cheers, >'99 Silver Miata I just recently test drove both a normal 2005, and the Mazdaspeed car. The turbo does have a bit of lag....but, did jump in nicely. The suspension felt a little more stiff and better road 'feel' on this model too. I'm thinking about getting one, and with Sat. being the last day of the month the other day...they said they'd deal with me... I went home to do a bit of research, and found that the NEW 2006 normally aspirated Miata...has a larger 2.0L engine, that is rated at 170 HP. I think the Mazdaspeed car is only 178HP? I really like the appearance of the newer car...especially the dual exhaust...but, am thinking, I might see if they'd offer me the 2005 Mazdaspeed turbo...for what the newer 2006 car, which is comparable in performance, and newer design...MSRP on that is right about at $22K. Not sure if they'll go for it. If not..I think I'll wait...and try to compare the new Miata, and the Solstice that is coming out...both have about the same specs, and pricing... chilecayenne > They do it if you stomp on the accelerator and wait for the turbo to > kick in. If you keep it above 4000 rpm once you are past 1st gear, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Cheers, > >'99 Silver Miata For the 04's they had 2500 cash in September, and more off when the weather turned (allwas buy your ragtops in the dead of winter, days between christmas and new years seen to be good days to do a deal.) There were red turbos available almost into March of this year at one of the local dealers. Edmunds.com currently has 1000 cash back unrestricted and 500 more if you finance with Mazda. Invoice is 24500 subtract the incentive and that gets you 23000. Once the new model in on the floor, expect big price cuts. I would check the dealer's inventory on the internet to see if they are moving merchandise and take my time about buying. >I just recently test drove both a normal 2005, and the Mazdaspeed car. > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> >Cheers, >> >'99 Silver Miata Mazda speed miatas-- The intercooler is small and the car "heatsoaks" quickly. Exhaust restrictions affect spoolup lower RPM There seems to be a great deal of variation from one mazdaspeed in how well everything works together. All in all, it may be a good starting point if you are willing to spend a fair amount of money to bring things up to where they should be. Differences other than the Turbo are really the base for a decent handling car. It looks like anyone interested in the 04-05 Mazda speed should also look at FM's website. www.miata.net merchants (99LS with FMII) (Waiting to see what can be done with the 2L 06's) > Hi! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Cheers, > '99 Silver Miata What things need to be done to 'bring it up to where it should be'? Would it be better to get a normally aspirated model..maybe '03 or '04 and put an aftermarket supercharger on it? I had been looking at the Borla exhaust systems...I have one on my 911 Turbo ('86)....and love the sound and airflow it gives me. I saw they had a dual exhaust kit for the miata...and thought I'd go for that as I like the dual pipe look...and extra air flow. Hell, for that matter, I live in New Orleans...no hassles for emissions or noise...I thought about putting straight racing pipes on the new miata...to see how that worked out... CC > Mazda speed miatas-- > The intercooler is small and the car "heatsoaks" quickly. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Cheers, > > '99 Silver Miata > Would it be better to get a normally aspirated model..maybe '03 or '04 > and put an aftermarket supercharger on it? The MSM is a real bargain. Aside from the turbo, you get some chassis bracing I don't believe is available on any other model, and heavy, ugly, expensive 17" wheels that you can sell to a riceboy for big bucks, to finance further mods. Some people have bought a new MSM for as little as $20k. You might need to travel out of state to find one so cheap, though. Here's the Flyin' Miata MSM page: http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/mazdaspeed.php --- Lanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html Thanks for the reply Lanny!! Interesting article and site...I'll read up more on it. Please excuse a noob question....what does it mean when they say the turbo mazda gets 'heatsoaked' quickly....and what happens when it does, and can something be done to prevent this? One thing...with the new versions coming out soon...while I know this will help in the sale price of the '05 mazda sport....how much will this drop the resale on it do you think? Thanks for all the replies!! chilecayenne > > Would it be better to get a normally aspirated model..maybe '03 or '04 > > and put an aftermarket supercharger on it? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > '94C, St. Louis > http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > Please excuse a noob question....what does it mean when they say the > turbo mazda gets 'heatsoaked' quickly....and what happens when it does, > and can something be done to prevent this? It accumulates heat faster than it can get rid of it, and the system stabilizes at a temperature much higher than optimum. All turbos get hot--they're spun by exhaust gases right out of the ports--and without an adequate intercooler will pass the heated intake charge into the cylinders, where it promotes detonation and limits power. The answer is a larger and more efficient intercooler. Which FM sells. --- Lanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html >> Please excuse a noob question....what does it mean when they say the >> turbo mazda gets 'heatsoaked' quickly....and what happens when it does, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >stabilizes at a temperature much higher than optimum. All turbos get >hot--they're spun by exhaust gases right out of the ports Actually, the work taken out by the compressor removes heat from the exhaust gasses. >--and without >an adequate intercooler will pass the heated intake charge into the >cylinders, The intake charge goes past the compressor, not the turbine. It is heated by compression, not the exhaust air. Typical belt driven superchargers like JR heat the intake air more than turbos, given the same compression ratio, since the Roots pumps are less efficient than the typical compressors of turbos. IIRC, that may not be true for the Whipple SC. > where it promotes detonation and limits power. The answer is >a larger and more efficient intercooler. Which FM sells. And needs because of the large compression ratio of FM turbos. Leon >--- >Lanny Chambers >'94C, St. Louis >http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html  SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) >Here's the Flyin' Miata MSM page: >http://www.flyinmiata.com/projects/mazdaspeed.php I am surprised that he seems to be willing to make special parts for the MSM and even bought his own MSM for it. Obviously the potential market will be very small and impossible to grow. Leon SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) > I am surprised that he seems to be willing to make special > parts for the MSM and even bought his own MSM for it. > Obviously the potential market will be very small and > impossible to grow. Mazda made thousands of MSMs, and every one of them is a potential customer, if not now then later. People bought them for the additional power, and power is addicting, so they'll soon want even more. FM's own MSM is the car they recently entered in the Car & Driver SuperFour Challenge. SInce the rules mandated pump gas, it was detuned to "only" 350 rwhp at 14 psi. It was also the only entrant driven, not trailered, to the competition--western Colorado to eastern Michigan and back.. Bill Cardell is a very smart guy, and has been in business for a long time. I'm sure his prices reflect the size of the market relative to the development costs. --- Lanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html chilecayenne@yahoo.com wrote in: > What things need to be done to 'bring it up to where it should be'? > > Would it be better to get a normally aspirated model..maybe '03 or '04 > and put an aftermarket supercharger on it? Yes, superchargers work much better, the only people who really love turbochargers are the EPA. Thanks for the reply. If I was to go the used route...what models are best for doing a bolt on supercharger? A co-worker just bought a red '99 for about $9K...that sounded like a good price...about 60K miles, and in almost mint condition. Also, what are the best bang for the buck superchargers? Are they close to being 'bolt on' setups...I'm a mechanical noob...but, have friends that are fairly gear-headed...and would really like to learn to do this myself... I'd been reading about some sc's that mentioned up to 70% boost of the HP...which at approx. 140 stock would take it up to about 238 hp...is this a realistic expectation? I'd heard you need to replace the stock clutch on this upgrade pretty quickly.... Any other advice or pitfalls on the used/supercharger route? Thanks in advance. chilecayenne > chilecayenne@yahoo.com wrote in: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes, superchargers work much better, the only people who really love > turbochargers are the EPA. chilecayenne@yahoo.com wrote in: > Thanks for the reply. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > that are fairly gear-headed...and would really like to learn to do this > myself... http://www.flyinmiata.com/news/ubercharger.php http://www.miatamania.com/Browse/PlateMenuProducts.aspx?WebCatalogID=14&Plate TypeID=1&SubcomponentID=112 http://store.miataparts.org/vfenmisu.html There's quite a bit of information and if you're interested in one or the other, give them a call and ask for details. You might ask if they'll send you a copy of the installation instructions which will tell you if it's something you can do yourself or if you'll need help. Or, if you're REALLY in a hurry, just stick with the non-supercharged car and do this little modification: http://www.diamondmotorsport.com/greenmiatas.htm > There's quite a bit of information and if you're interested in one or the > other, give them a call and ask for details. You might ask if they'll send > you a copy of the installation instructions which will tell you if it's > something you can do yourself or if you'll need help. FM offers its instructions online: http://www.flyinmiata.com/support/index.php --- Lanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html >chilecayenne@yahoo.com wrote in: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >you a copy of the installation instructions which will tell you if it's >something you can do yourself or if you'll need help. You cannot tell whether you can do something from the instructions. You only find that out when you actually try to get wrenches on bolts, try to fit parts, cut, bend, etcetera. However, I agree that in some cases it is possible from the instructions alone to see that it is something you *cannot* do. Leon >Or, if you're REALLY in a hurry, just stick with the non-supercharged car and >do this little modification: > >http://www.diamondmotorsport.com/greenmiatas.htm SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) |
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