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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / August 2005

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Space Behind Temporary Tire in Trunk

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Christopher Muto - 02 Aug 2005 18:38 GMT
I removed my temporary spare from the trunk the other day and found a pretty
large void behind it.  Can this space somehow be used to store the jack?
Are there other creative uses that people have come up with to take
advantage of that space?
Thanks.

95 Triple Black
BK - 02 Aug 2005 22:54 GMT
I've got a roll of duct tape, a bunch of tools wrapped in a towel and a tire
repair kit in mine.  On the other side, behind the little panel that I have
attached with velcro...I have a tire gauge and a little air pump that runs
off the liter.  My spare lives in the garage.
>I removed my temporary spare from the trunk the other day and found a
>pretty large void behind it.  Can this space somehow be used to store the
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>
> 95 Triple Black
Jim Stuyck - 03 Aug 2005 01:45 GMT
Long ago I moved my spare to underneath the car (1990 model) and
rerouted the exhaust and muffler.  That cubbyhole is useful for holding
the shop manual, a tupperware container of tools and parts, and a few
towels.  Don't want to get caught out on the open road without a spare
in case of a flat (it's happened, twice).

Jim Stuyck

> I've got a roll of duct tape, a bunch of tools wrapped in a towel and a
> tire repair kit in mine.  On the other side, behind the little panel that
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>> 95 Triple Black
Randy Maheux - 03 Aug 2005 13:12 GMT
I removed my spare the day I bought the car.  I'm a real
estate broker and I use the space to carry signs, flyer
holders, lock boxes, a couple of rags, and even a small tool
box.  This leaves the trunk completely open.  If I lived in
Wyoming or Arizona, I would think twice about doing this.
But between living in Florida with towns always nearby and
having had only had one flat tire in 20 years, I don't worry
about driving without a spare.

> I've got a roll of duct tape, a bunch of tools wrapped in a towel and a tire
> repair kit in mine.  On the other side, behind the little panel that I have
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> > 95 Triple Black
Grant Edwards - 03 Aug 2005 15:15 GMT
> I removed my spare the day I bought the car.

One of the several dissapointments with the 'B' design was the
smaller trunk.  With the 'A', you could toss the spare into the
corner of the garage and use the entier trunk.  With the 'B',
they apparently decided that we're too stupid to make such a
decision and hid the spare in the trunk floor.  Now if you
leave the spare out, the carpet won't lay down flat.

Don't get me started on the wimpy clutch/drivetrain.

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jeff.remson@sylvania.com - 03 Aug 2005 21:18 GMT
No. Please start.
Grant Edwards - 03 Aug 2005 22:12 GMT
Please quote the article to which you're replying.  Otherwise
it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
request.

> No. Please start.

The clutches on the 'B' models are infamous for shuddering.

Apparently they cheaped out and switch to lighter weight
components. They supposedly "fixed" it after the first couple
years, but my 03's clutch shudders pretty bad when it's damp
out.  When accellerating from a stop you get quite a bit of
wheel hop and the whole rear end and drive train shakes.

Once the clutch warms up, it's not nearly as bad.

The drive-train itself also seems to be quite less torsionally
stiff.  As you go over bumps under acceleration, you get a
fore-aft oscillation of the car as the drive train
unwinds/winds.

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Leon van Dommelen - 04 Aug 2005 01:31 GMT
>Please quote the article to which you're replying.  Otherwise
>it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
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>Apparently they cheaped out and switch to lighter weight
>components.

I also not know about that.  I was thinking they had probably
switched to a cheaper clutch friction material, say a harder
material to allow less of it to be used.

I too had clutch shudder after the dealer replaced my clutch.
I had the clutch replaced a second time by a non-Mazda one by
an independent shop, and it solved the problem.

> They supposedly "fixed" it after the first couple
>years, but my 03's clutch shudders pretty bad when it's damp
>out.

Why does "damp out" affect the lack of weight of components?

Leon

>  When accellerating from a stop you get quite a bit of
>wheel hop and the whole rear end and drive train shakes.
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>fore-aft oscillation of the car as the drive train
>unwinds/winds.

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Grant Edwards - 04 Aug 2005 03:29 GMT
>>The clutches on the 'B' models are infamous for shuddering.
>>
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> switched to a cheaper clutch friction material, say a harder
> material to allow less of it to be used.

Could be,  the posting I read was a little vague on what had
changed.

> I too had clutch shudder after the dealer replaced my clutch.
> I had the clutch replaced a second time by a non-Mazda one by
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>
> Why does "damp out" affect the lack of weight of components?

Dunno.  It obviously doesn't affect the weight of the
components, but it certainly aggravates the problem inherent in
whatever they changed.

Yow!  I swear when I checked the TSB, my VIN wasn't included --
but I just looked again, and it is!  I'm calling the dealer
tomorrow.

http://www.miata.net/garage/tsb/sb05-001.03.html

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Grant Edwards - 16 Aug 2005 17:27 GMT
[regarding NB clutch shudder]

>>>They supposedly "fixed" it after the first couple years, but
>>>my 03's clutch shudders pretty bad when it's damp out.
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>
> http://www.miata.net/garage/tsb/sb05-001.03.html

The dealer replaced the clutch disk last week (covered by
warantee), and the shudder is gone. :)

Hopefully it will stay gone.

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Leon van Dommelen - 17 Aug 2005 01:00 GMT
>[regarding NB clutch shudder]
>
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>The dealer replaced the clutch disk last week (covered by
>warantee), and the shudder is gone. :)

Well, do you have another logical explanation besides "the Ford
cost cutters found a clutch liner material that was just as good for
$0.06 less?"

*You* may not think $0.06  is much, but if you multiply it by 100,000
Miatas, it sure adds up.

Leon  :)

>Hopefully it will stay gone.

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Randy Maheux - 17 Aug 2005 04:01 GMT
FWIW, I have 8,000 miles on my new clutch with not a hint of
shudder (yet).  Now, if the 6 speed would shift into 2nd
smoothly.....

> [regarding NB clutch shudder]
>
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>
> Hopefully it will stay gone.

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jeff.remson@sylvania.com - 04 Aug 2005 18:23 GMT
>Please quote the article to which you're replying.  Otherwise
it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
request.

> No. Please start.

My bad. I realized after the fact that I was being vague.  No doubt
that you caught my drift. Thx.

jeff
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:03 GMT
> Please quote the article to which you're replying.  Otherwise
> it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
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Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.

Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.

Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.

Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.

Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:11 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It never worked.

Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:11 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It never worked.

Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:15 GMT
Sorry about that !
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:12 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It never worked.

Murf
Randy Maheux - 04 Aug 2005 20:50 GMT
I put the bolt that holds down the spare back in place,
turning it in till it was the right height to support the
wood spare tire cover, then fit my stuff around it.  The
floor of the trunk hasn't sagged yet.

> > I removed my spare the day I bought the car.
>
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>
> Don't get me started on the wimpy clutch/drivetrain.
Grant Edwards - 04 Aug 2005 20:58 GMT
> I put the bolt that holds down the spare back in place,
> turning it in till it was the right height to support the
> wood spare tire cover, then fit my stuff around it.  The
> floor of the trunk hasn't sagged yet.

That sounds like something worth trying.  I was thinking about
making a heavier duty cover for the spare tire well, but
haven't gotten around to it.

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