No. Please start.
Please quote the article to which you're replying. Otherwise
it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
request.
> No. Please start.
The clutches on the 'B' models are infamous for shuddering.
Apparently they cheaped out and switch to lighter weight
components. They supposedly "fixed" it after the first couple
years, but my 03's clutch shudders pretty bad when it's damp
out. When accellerating from a stop you get quite a bit of
wheel hop and the whole rear end and drive train shakes.
Once the clutch warms up, it's not nearly as bad.
The drive-train itself also seems to be quite less torsionally
stiff. As you go over bumps under acceleration, you get a
fore-aft oscillation of the car as the drive train
unwinds/winds.

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Leon van Dommelen - 04 Aug 2005 01:31 GMT
>Please quote the article to which you're replying. Otherwise
>it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Apparently they cheaped out and switch to lighter weight
>components.
I also not know about that. I was thinking they had probably
switched to a cheaper clutch friction material, say a harder
material to allow less of it to be used.
I too had clutch shudder after the dealer replaced my clutch.
I had the clutch replaced a second time by a non-Mazda one by
an independent shop, and it solved the problem.
> They supposedly "fixed" it after the first couple
>years, but my 03's clutch shudders pretty bad when it's damp
>out.
Why does "damp out" affect the lack of weight of components?
Leon
> When accellerating from a stop you get quite a bit of
>wheel hop and the whole rear end and drive train shakes.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>fore-aft oscillation of the car as the drive train
>unwinds/winds.

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Grant Edwards - 04 Aug 2005 03:29 GMT
>>The clutches on the 'B' models are infamous for shuddering.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> switched to a cheaper clutch friction material, say a harder
> material to allow less of it to be used.
Could be, the posting I read was a little vague on what had
changed.
> I too had clutch shudder after the dealer replaced my clutch.
> I had the clutch replaced a second time by a non-Mazda one by
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Why does "damp out" affect the lack of weight of components?
Dunno. It obviously doesn't affect the weight of the
components, but it certainly aggravates the problem inherent in
whatever they changed.
Yow! I swear when I checked the TSB, my VIN wasn't included --
but I just looked again, and it is! I'm calling the dealer
tomorrow.
http://www.miata.net/garage/tsb/sb05-001.03.html

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Grant Edwards - 16 Aug 2005 17:27 GMT
[regarding NB clutch shudder]
>>>They supposedly "fixed" it after the first couple years, but
>>>my 03's clutch shudders pretty bad when it's damp out.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> http://www.miata.net/garage/tsb/sb05-001.03.html
The dealer replaced the clutch disk last week (covered by
warantee), and the shudder is gone. :)
Hopefully it will stay gone.

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Leon van Dommelen - 17 Aug 2005 01:00 GMT
>[regarding NB clutch shudder]
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>The dealer replaced the clutch disk last week (covered by
>warantee), and the shudder is gone. :)
Well, do you have another logical explanation besides "the Ford
cost cutters found a clutch liner material that was just as good for
$0.06 less?"
*You* may not think $0.06 is much, but if you multiply it by 100,000
Miatas, it sure adds up.
Leon :)
>Hopefully it will stay gone.

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Randy Maheux - 17 Aug 2005 04:01 GMT
FWIW, I have 8,000 miles on my new clutch with not a hint of
shudder (yet). Now, if the 6 speed would shift into 2nd
smoothly.....
> [regarding NB clutch shudder]
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Hopefully it will stay gone.
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jeff.remson@sylvania.com - 04 Aug 2005 18:23 GMT
>Please quote the article to which you're replying. Otherwise
it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
request.
> No. Please start.
My bad. I realized after the fact that I was being vague. No doubt
that you caught my drift. Thx.
jeff
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:03 GMT
> Please quote the article to which you're replying. Otherwise
> it's difficult to tell whom you're addressing with your
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> at ashtrays in Dayton...
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Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.
Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.
Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.
Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:10 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It nver worked.
Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:11 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It never worked.
Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:11 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It never worked.
Murf
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:15 GMT
Murf - 06 Aug 2005 16:12 GMT
My "A" (a '97) needed a clutch replacement when brand new due to
chattering. The new one does the same. I live with it.Years ago we used
to put old Fords ('34, 35, 36) up against a tree and slowly engage the
clutch for a few minutes to cure a chatter. It never worked.
Murf