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I plan on getting a new Miata in the spring so my old '90 has to go. Nice car well, cared for. Clear coat starting to go, but overall in great condition for a 15 year old car. See ebay listing 4584939713 for more details. If you need more pix let me know. Alan "Clear coat starting to go" So it's a repaint? > I plan on getting a new Miata in the spring so my old '90 has to go. Nice > car well, cared for. Clear coat starting to go, but overall in great > condition for a 15 year old car. See ebay listing 4584939713 for more > details. If you need more pix let me know. > Alan >"Clear coat starting to go" So it's a repaint? Obviously. And not a very good one. Not quite quite, not informing people of that, and at the same time threatening them "Remember if you bid and win you own it." I wonder what required a complete repaint. I wonder whether the person who bid over 3.5k on this thing knows what he or she is doing. A repaint would require that the cheap peeling clear coat is first removed from the entire car. I wonder what else this seller is not being quite forthcoming about. Calling a repainted car with a peeling clear coat "clean" seems to be a bit optimistic. "Car runs and drives well and is ready to go." is not quite the same as saying the car is in good mechanical condition. The fact that the owner acquired a second set of OE mag wheels may indicate that the car was used as an autocross car. (AFAIK, people who buy a second set of wheels for snow tires buy cheap steel wheels, not expensive OEM ones. Unless of course, the car is being shown with the "second" set of wheels, hiding the steel set, but that would not just be unethical, it would be a clear fraud.) "Unmolested" is not the same as unmodified, and I do not know what it means. There seem to be a lot of shady people on ebay. Leon >> I plan on getting a new Miata in the spring so my old '90 has to go. Nice >> car well, cared for. Clear coat starting to go, but overall in great >> condition for a 15 year old car. See ebay listing 4584939713 for more >> details. If you need more pix let me know. >> Alan >  SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) > Obviously. And not a very good one. Not quite quite, not informing > people of that, and at the same time threatening them "Remember if > you bid and win you own it." Threatening them? Seems more like a reminder to me than a threat, though I would not put that in my auction ad. I never saw any part in this guy's auction description where he said that the car had to be bought sight unseen. > I wonder what required a complete repaint. A wreck, hail damage, vandalism, someone wanting to freshen a fading paint job for minimal money at a cheap paint shop. I probably missed a few possiblities there. > I wonder whether the person who bid over 3.5k on this thing knows > what he or she is doing. A repaint would require that the cheap > peeling clear coat is first removed from the entire car. I don't like cheap repaints for any reason. Maybe this person looked at the car, found it to be perfect for them except for the paint, and can live with the looks. They also just might not know the cost of a properly done paint job. If you are really curious, you can try contacting the winning bidder after the auction ends to ask them. > I wonder what else this seller is not being quite forthcoming about. > Calling a repainted car with a peeling clear coat "clean" seems > to be a bit optimistic. "Car runs and drives well and is ready to > go." is not quite the same as saying the car is in good mechanical > condition. Again, this seller is willing to let anyone look at the car and have it inspected by a mechanic before bidding on it. I think that anyone who sends any significant amount of money away for a 15 year old car that they haven't looked at is making a very unwise decision, but it is not mine to make. The fact that the owner acquired a second set of OE > mag wheels may indicate that the car was used as an autocross > car. (AFAIK, people who buy a second set of wheels for snow tires > buy cheap steel wheels, not expensive OEM ones. Unless of course, > the car is being shown with the "second" set of wheels, hiding the > steel set, but that would not just be unethical, it would be > a clear fraud.) I had 5 sets of OEM miata alloys at one time, one set of the 1990-1993 style, one set of 7 spoke 1994-1997, two sets of 1999+ 15" alloys and one set of '96M Enkeis. Owning multiple sets of wheels is not that unusual. > There seem to be a lot of shady people on ebay. Of course there are a lot, there are many millions of people on Ebay, so there will be a lot of rotten apples. Do you mean percentage-wise? If so, that has not been my experience at all. I have dealt with thousands of people on Ebay in the last 6 3/4 years. I have had very few problems with any of them, either as a buyer or a seller. The few problems were easily resolved. I have met far more shady people face-to-face during this time than on Ebay. This seller has been on for over 6 years and has a 100% feedback rating, though it is mostly as a buyer. He doesn't look too shady to me. Pat >> I wonder what required a complete repaint. > >A wreck, hail damage, vandalism, someone wanting to freshen a fading >paint job for minimal money at a cheap paint shop. I probably missed a >few possiblities there. None of which reasons has been given, and none of which sounds particularly appealing to me. >> I wonder whether the person who bid over 3.5k on this thing knows >> what he or she is doing. A repaint would require that the cheap [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >the car, found it to be perfect for them except for the paint, and can >live with the looks. And maybe this person did not recognize the ramifications or that red Miatas were not clear coated. >> I wonder what else this seller is not being quite forthcoming about. >> Calling a repainted car with a peeling clear coat "clean" seems [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Again, this seller is willing to let anyone look at the car and have it >inspected by a mechanic before bidding on it. If sufficient info is given, they might be able to avoid the time and expense. Nobody gains if a prospective buyer comes over to discover what the buyer could have been told in the add. The only reasons to be vague in your ad are carelessness or the hope that someone will buy without a proper examination of what he/she is buying. > I think that anyone who >sends any significant amount of money away for a 15 year old car that >they haven't looked at is making a very unwise decision, but it is not >mine to make. > The fact that the owner acquired a second set of OE >> mag wheels may indicate that the car was used as an autocross [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >style, one set of 7 spoke 1994-1997, two sets of 1999+ 15" alloys and >one set of '96M Enkeis. Owning multiple sets of wheels is not that unusual. True. And one reason would be for autocross. >This seller has been on for over 6 years and has a 100% feedback rating, >though it is mostly as a buyer. He doesn't look too shady to me. I would now agree with that. But the ad remains uninformative. Leon SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) Man you guys are tough!! I got a second set of wheels shortly after I got the car to mount a better set of tires. The wheels that were on the car have a cheap set of new no name H rated tires. I ebayed a near perfect set of wheels for a hundred bucks and mounted some top of the line Bridgestone's on them and kept the other set as spares. This should be considered an extra bonus, not an indication that I raced the car in WRC or NASCAR events. This car is maintained by me, an ASE Master tech with 30 years of exp. I have records of all work done in the 5 years I've owned the car. This does mean all maint. has been done as it should and the new owner would have nothing to do to the car except for and oil change in another 2K miles. As far as the paint goes I disclosed the fact that the clear coat is peeling. Of course this means the car will have to be painted if the new owner wishes. It does not effect the overall great performance of the car. It does not mean this is not a well cared for car that has not been raced or otherwise abused. Remember this is a 1990 not a new car and for it's age it's in pretty good condition. The funny thing is I started the bidding at $100 with no reserve. The price the car brings is what the market sees fit. Maybe I used the wrong word "unmodified" I just wanted to make the point the car was never owned by someone that lowered, turboed, installed 3" exhaust pipes or modified the body of the car in any way. The statement "you bid and win you own it" was meant to deter bidders that win and never follow through with the auction. I don't consider myself a shady eBayer. I WANT anyone interested in the car to come see it. They can drive it, pull the wheels, give it a complete inspection. I would prefer they bring their own tech and look it over. They can even use my garage to do so. I want the next person that owns this car to be as happy with it as I'm with it. Auction is up tomorrow and so far only one bidder saw fit to call and ask questions and not one bidder came to look at the car. Some of the people that bid are local to me, so I can't figure out why they don't come see the car in person. I have purchased 3 cars myself on eBay and the ones that were close I looked at first. Please ask some questions BEFORE you start bashing someone. I just thought someone in this group may be interested in the car, guess I was wrong. >I plan on getting a new Miata in the spring so my old '90 has to go. Nice >car well, cared for. Clear coat starting to go, but overall in great >condition for a 15 year old car. See ebay listing 4584939713 for more >details. If you need more pix let me know. > Alan > Man you guys are tough!! I got a second set of wheels shortly after I got > the car to mount a better set of tires. The wheels that were on the car have [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > someone. I just thought someone in this group may be interested in the car, > guess I was wrong. Don't take it personally Alan, this newsgroup has it's share of arrogant pricks, including me depending on the day. ;-) Overall, though, it is usually one of the best, most polite and helpful groups around, and it is the only one I have stayed with for a long time. This time, however, the word "fraud" came up in one post as a possibility regarding your wheels with no justification at all. That would piss me off as well. Isn't it funny how concerned people can get over a car that they have no intention of buying, especially a used one? My only complaint with your ad here was that you did not list where the car was located in the subject line and that there was not a direct link to the auction, but I will forgive you. :-) Good luck on the auction! Pat >Man you guys are tough!! We try to be. > I got a second set of wheels shortly after I got >the car to mount a better set of tires. The wheels that were on the car have >a cheap set of new no name H rated tires. I ebayed a near perfect set of >wheels for a hundred bucks and mounted some top of the line Bridgestone's on >them and kept the other set as spares. This should be considered an extra >bonus, not an indication that I raced the car in WRC or NASCAR events. Sounds reasonable. > This >car is maintained by me, an ASE Master tech with 30 years of exp. I have >records of all work done in the 5 years I've owned the car. This does mean >all maint. has been done as it should and the new owner would have nothing >to do to the car except for and oil change in another 2K miles. As far as >the paint goes I disclosed the fact that the clear coat is peeling. But not that it had been repainted, and why. > Of >course this means the car will have to be painted if the new owner wishes. After the clear coat has been removed. >It does not effect the overall great performance of the car. It does not >mean this is not a well cared for car that has not been raced or otherwise >abused. Remember this is a 1990 not a new car and for it's age it's in >pretty good condition. The funny thing is I started the bidding at $100 >with no reserve. The price the car brings is what the market sees fit. Maybe >I used the wrong word "unmodified" You used unmolested, a word that sounds impressive but does not commit you to anything. > I just wanted to make the point the car >was never owned by someone that lowered, turboed, installed 3" exhaust pipes >or modified the body of the car in any way. Only now you are putting yourself on record that the car has never been modified. > The statement "you bid and win >you own it" was meant to deter bidders that win and never follow through >with the auction. I don't consider myself a shady eBayer. I now do not believe that anymore, but your ad rather suggested it. > I WANT anyone >interested in the car to come see it. They can drive it, pull the wheels, >give it a complete inspection. It would therefore be nice if you gave meaningful and complete information, so that they can fairly judge the need for doing so before taking the trouble. And it may prevent others who would think like me from just passing by. > I would prefer they bring their own tech and >look it over. They can even use my garage to do so. I want the next person [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >someone. I just thought someone in this group may be interested in the car, >guess I was wrong. It is perfectly OK to post Miatas for sale for free in this group, but if you do, you have to expect scrutiny from the regulars. There is no word limit, so nothing to prevent you from being complete. Leon :) >>I plan on getting a new Miata in the spring so my old '90 has to go. Nice >>car well, cared for. Clear coat starting to go, but overall in great >>condition for a 15 year old car. See ebay listing 4584939713 for more >>details. If you need more pix let me know. >> Alan > SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) Leon, Since there is no word limit I'll give a complete description for those who care. I purchased this car 5 years ago from a dealer in Brick, NJ. The car was advertised in the paper so I stopped in to take a look(they had 3 in stock). I was looking for a small sports car that I could use everyday as a commuter car. I own a '59 Sprite and it's a blast to drive, but doesn't make a great all weather car. The Miata seemed like a car that would be a modern equivalent to the Sprite and it did not disappoint. Of the three Miatas I looked at that day this one was by far the cleanest one. As I was looking the car over a guy I know from my local British car club appears, turns out he works there. He informed me the car was purchased from the original owner who was just too old at that time to enjoy the car so had sold it. The car was stored in this old guy's garage and he took no care as to what he propped up against the car or put on it. The paint was scratched and damaged. Too bad because this car was like new when I got other than the repaint. Now you can take his story with a grain of salt as I did and I Carfaxed it. The owner story matched the Carfax at least. It had 52K on at the time. I paid $5900 for it with the hardtop. I felt this was alittle high but after looking at many Miatas that were not as nice as this one for about the same $ I bought this one repaint and all. As soon as I got the car to my shop I put it up on the alignment rack to check for any accident damage. None was found and the alignment itself was hardly out of spec. Over the five years I have owned the car it always ran great and never needed any work other than the normal maint. I did have to replace both window regulators. The clutch master and slave cylinders also needed replacement. For a 1990 I think that's a pretty good track record. This car is one of four daily drivers cars I own. When I use it for work commuting I drive 400 plus miles a week and it never let me down. The car now has 101K on it. That brings us to today, the auction is now over. The winning bid was $3551. Higher than I thought it would go for, but it isn't over until the new owner completes the auction. If the guy comes to get the car and is not happy with it I will not hold him to the deal. He or she can walk away and I will not leave a negative. I know I said you bid and win you own it. That was to keep away the non serious bidders (hope it worked). I'm not going to risk getting a negative for a $3500 car. If this eBay thing turns into a hassle I'll keep the car and trade it in on the new one in the spring. This brings me to a question for the group. Does anyone own an '06 here? If so any complaints or problems? I really want a new Miata, but I can't decide if I like the style of the new car better than the second gen. I want to get to the dealer for a test drive, but haven't had time yet. I'm sure the power increase will be a welcome advantage over the '90s 1.6 liter but is it really that much better than the '05. Alan >> This >>car is maintained by me, an ASE Master tech with 30 years of exp. I have [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>details. If you need more pix let me know. >>> Alan > Since there is no word limit I'll give a complete description for > those who care. I don't care. But it was a very nice description! ;-) Thanks! >> Since there is no word limit I'll give a complete description for >> those who care. > > I don't care. But it was a very nice description! ;-) Alan, [snip] This is the sort of description you should have posted here when you first put the ad on e-bay. Someone might have seen it and offered more than you got. I also think you might have done better on e-bay with a better description there. Forgive me for my suspicious nature, but I am not likely to change, though I will not do it anymore in your case. ;) >a negative for a $3500 car. If this eBay thing turns into a hassle I'll keep >the car and trade it in on the new one in the spring. This brings me to a >question for the group. Does anyone own an '06 here? If so any complaints or >problems? It seems a bit early for problems to be noticed; they just started selling them. For what little it is worth, I drove two briefly in Atlanta at the Zoom Zoom event there. Some sort of one-brief-lap autocross and a funkhana (SP ?) lap. As a result, I just paid a $500 deposit this afternoon on a white "Grand Touring" (geez!) package with suspension package and, of course, what else, a chrome fuel lid. > I really want a new Miata, but I can't decide if I like the style >of the new car better than the second gen. I do. Especially in the lighter colors white and red. In various other colors I saw, the fenders stand out too much, if you ask me. I cannot say that I am very excited about the steering wheel. Mazda brought us a plain ugly cookie box steering wheel in the first gen, corrected itself brilliantly with the sharp steering wheel in the M2, and then regressed again to this "ho-hum, am I driving a Buick?" one in the M3. Ideally, Mazda would bring back the "Miata Classic" and drop the 170 hp engine into it. But that is just not going to happen with increasing safety standards and norms. The new design is a bigger, stronger Miata that has managed to keep the weight down to almost exactly the same as before by the use of sophisticated design combined with extensive use of expensive light-weight materials and elaborate construction techniques. And it has, at the same weight, a fair chunk more power. So, having a Miata that is getting *really, really* old, I decided the new Miata is still the best up-to-date sports car available, so I got one. Moreover, I can still rest my arm on the door. ;) > I want to get to the dealer for a >test drive, but haven't had time yet. I'm sure the power increase will be a >welcome advantage over the '90s 1.6 liter but is it really that much better >than the '05. Hard for me to be objective, having a supercharged Miata, but it had a pleasant amount of torque below. I would think, about the same. Leon >Alan > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >>>> Alan > SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) >As a result, I just paid a $500 deposit this afternoon on a >white "Grand Touring" (geez!) package with suspension package and, of course, >what else, a chrome fuel lid. I followed a white one home today and I mean home...his. I asked if I could look at his car and he smiled and said sure. The fenders don't take anything away like I've read about. He was interested in the hardtop I have on the 02 and said he's getting one at a $3400 whack! Looks like when I can locate a club spec barebone marble white one I will be making the jump myself! >>As a result, I just paid a $500 deposit this afternoon on a >>white "Grand Touring" (geez!) package with suspension package and, of course, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Looks like when I can locate a club spec barebone marble white one I >will be making the jump myself! Of course, one way to pick up a few more horses is to buy the club spec, at 57 lb less than the Grand Touring. I wonder what those 17" wheels weigh... Is it legal to change wheels in autocross and stay in stock? Leon >_______________________________________________________________________________ >Posted Via Uncensored-News.Com - Accounts Starting At $6.95 - http://www.uncensored-news.com > <><><><><><><> The Worlds Uncensored News Source <><><><><><><><> > SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) > It seems a bit early for problems to be noticed; they just started selling > them. For what little it is worth, I drove two briefly in Atlanta at the > Zoom Zoom event there. Some sort of one-brief-lap autocross and a funkhana > (SP ?) lap. As a result, I just paid a $500 deposit this afternoon on a > white "Grand Touring" (geez!) package with suspension package and, of course, > what else, a chrome fuel lid. Congrats! Though I would have probably waited one more year, like I have the money to buy one then or now anyway. ;-) Every first miata model has had some sort of problem to be resolved starting with the introduction model and the possible bad crank keyway. The first year change-over in 1999 brought us the failed bearing #4 issue. Hopefully this time will be the exception. > I cannot say that I am very excited about the steering wheel. Mazda > brought us a plain ugly cookie box steering wheel in the first gen, > corrected itself brilliantly with the sharp steering wheel in the M2, > and then regressed again to this "ho-hum, am I driving a Buick?" one > in the M3. I could not agree with this more about the steering wheel. What the hell were the designers thinking? I wonder if the M2 wheel will work with the 2006 model, probably not. > Ideally, Mazda would bring back the "Miata Classic" and drop the 170 hp > engine into it. But that is just not going to happen with increasing [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Moreover, I can still rest my arm on the door. ;) No argument there, though I do like the idea of a fully restored original as well. Still, the 2006 model is probably less expensive than doing that. Pat > Leon, > Since there is no word limit I'll give a complete description for those who > care. I purchased this car 5 years ago from a dealer in Brick, NJ. The car > was advertised in the paper so I stopped in to take a look(they had 3 in > stock). I was looking for a small sports car that I could use everyday as a > commuter car. <snippage> Alan - you might want to post this over on the Lehigh Valley Miata Owners Club website - there's a section called "Trader Paul's" for selling car related items. You do not have to be a member of the club to post but we do encourage you to join. (grin) Particularly since Brick NJ is not that far away from our base in eastern PA. We have several members from NJ, including one who used to live in Brick and is active in Auto-X. The website is at www.lvmoc.net and we're not quite as tough as Leon. (LOL) Iva & Belle.) '90B Classic Red.) #3 winkin' Miata Secretary LVMOC |
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