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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / November 2005Mystery part number
I have a tough one. I have a 1993 Miata, with the 1.6L (obviously). There is a hose that runs from the thermostat housing down teh front of the block, and connects to an "elbow" or "barb" or "tube" that comes out of the block. What is the part number for that "elbow," "tube," or "barb." I have seen pictures and web pages that reference that hose assemply. The parts book at the dealership shows the hose and the two spring clips to hold it in place. However, no one has been able to find a part number. The problem that I have, which seems to be not uncommon, is that the "elbow" has been eroded and is leaking. I have used Permatex as a temporary solution, simply because the piece was easily removable by hand, so I figure it is not under extreme pressure like the main cooling system. But, I need the proper replacement part. If anyone can help, I would appreciate it, as would the parts manager of my local dealership. >I have a tough one. I have a 1993 Miata, with the 1.6L (obviously). >There is a hose that runs from the thermostat housing down teh front of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >If anyone can help, I would appreciate it, as would the parts manager >of my local dealership. Maybe try ordering it from trussvillemazda? They deal with large numbers of parts. Leon  SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) trussvillemazda.com and gomiata.com sells complete hose kits (9 hoses for 90-93) for about $75. call them to see if you can buy the specific hose that you want separately but you may just want to replace them all... i recently blew a hose and was charged $45 for the two heater hoses, plus labor, plus 2 gallons of antifreeze (where did they put all that antifreeze?)... upon inspection they were not even correct fit. makes $75 seem cheap to me for a oem custom fit set. >I have a tough one. I have a 1993 Miata, with the 1.6L (obviously). > There is a hose that runs from the thermostat housing down teh front of [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > If anyone can help, I would appreciate it, as would the parts manager > of my local dealership. ps. trusvillemazda.com also sells the replacement firewall grommets for the the two heater hoses that run throught the firewall... these probably should be replaced too. > trussvillemazda.com and gomiata.com sells complete hose kits (9 hoses for > 90-93) for about $75. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> If anyone can help, I would appreciate it, as would the parts manager >> of my local dealership. > trussvillemazda.com and gomiata.com sells complete hose kits (9 hoses for > 90-93) for about $75. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > were not even correct fit. makes $75 seem cheap to me for a oem custom fit > set. I think that he is talking about the metal piece that the hose attaches to, though after 13 years, I agree that it would be a very good idea to replace all of the hoses if they are original. Same goes with the engine belts. That sucks that they got the hose sizes wrong on your car, but not shocking. I guess it might have been cheaper to have the car towed to the dealer, but when a hose bursts on the road, you gotta do what you gotta do. :-/ To the original poster, I don't have the part number but I might have the part itself. Do you have a picture of it? If I have it and it is in good condition, I would sell it to you for a very low cost. Pat I don't have a picture of it. And, if I did, the picture would not be very good, since the part was corroded away. Basically, it is a small tube, or pipe, that has a 90 degree turn, not really a bend, in it. It connects to the engine block to the right of the water pump, and to the small hose running to the "T" off of the thermostat housing. I am sure that your part would be much better than mine, but I am probably not the only one who needs this part, or will need it. So, I will probably take you up on your offer, but this part still needs a number. > I don't have a picture of it. And, if I did, the picture would not be > very good, since the part was corroded away. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > will probably take you up on your offer, but this part still needs a > number. My manual shows a small hose connecting to what is termed the "outlet pipe". It is bolted to the block. Is this possibly what you are after? I think the 'outlet pipe' is the upper connection of the hose in question (at the base of the thermostat) I think he's looking for what it connects to at the lower end, right? Chris 92BB&T 99BBB >> I don't have a picture of it. And, if I did, the picture would not be >> very good, since the part was corroded away. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > pipe". > It is bolted to the block. Is this possibly what you are after? Right. It is the lower termination of the hose that comes from the thermostat housing. It is a metal 90 degree welded bend. It appears to "press into" the block. And, it slides out when worn. > Right. It is the lower termination of the hose that comes from the > thermostat housing. It is a metal 90 degree welded bend. It appears to > "press into" the block. And, it slides out when worn. Are you sure it is pressed into the block and not another part? Pretty sure. I had the part in my hand, and it sure looked to go into the block. If memory serves, the part is not available as a single part. It was pressed into another expensive part. The problem is to remove the remains of the rusted or broken tube, and replace it. One method that has been used is to thread the castomg, and use an appropriately sized threaded pipe oe fitting. > I don't have a picture of it. And, if I did, the picture would not be > very good, since the part was corroded away. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > will probably take you up on your offer, but this part still needs a > number. the part in questions may be what is discussed on the bottom of this page, under the 'solution' section... http://www.miata.net/garage/cooling_system.html "a 90-degree metal barb for connection of the rubber bypass line at the water pump inlet." >I don't have a picture of it. And, if I did, the picture would not be > very good, since the part was corroded away. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > will probably take you up on your offer, but this part still needs a > number. I just dug through the 92 WSM I have and in the cooling system section you can see the piece AMStar is talking about, but it's not discussed in that section of the WSM. That leads me to believe (from my years behind the parts counter) that the piece will not be listed in the cooling system section of parts on the microfiche (or computer). Since it mounts to the engine block, the parts folks should look in that area of the parts breakdown. If it's not cast onto the block it has a part number (even if it is cast as part of the block it will have a part number - that of the block)... But, as others suggest, try contacting Trussville Mazda (or another large dealership like Rosenthal or Brown in the DC area)... -alex- > the part in questions may be what is discussed on the bottom of this page, > under the 'solution' section... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>will probably take you up on your offer, but this part still needs a >>number. That is exactly my problem. Even with the corrct part, getting it installed is a problem. The best suggestion I have is to remove the remains of the old part any way you can without enlarging the hole in the casting. With the correct part, cooling it with something like liquid nitrogen, and then driving it into the casting may be the best way to go. Otherwise, steel filled epoxy and a bit of taper on the casting hole may be a good solution. When we replaced this part on a 93, we tapped the casting and used a threaded piece of pipe. > That is exactly my problem. While I appreciate everyones responses, I would really like to replace the part with the original Mazda part. Certainly someone has to know how to find this part. Isn't there anyone who knows the Mazda parts book well enough to track this part down. I would love to have a set of parts books, even though they are on disk. Please take some time to reference some of the links that we posted, and let me know if you can identify this part. Someone must have been able to fix this problem in the past with the correct part. Are there any service bulletins that reference coolant leaks at the front of the block, especially 1993s? > Even with the corrct part, getting it installed is a problem. > The best suggestion I have is to remove the remains of the old part any way [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > That is exactly my problem. did you call the parts desk at rosenthal mazda? they are extremely helpful. and now that you can better articulate what the part is they should be able to find it and order it for you. http://www.finishlineperformance.com/ > While I appreciate everyones responses, I would really like to replace > the part with the original Mazda part. Certainly someone has to know [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> > That is exactly my problem. > did you call the parts desk at rosenthal mazda? they are extremely helpful. > and now that you can better articulate what the part is they should be able > to find it and order it for you. > http://www.finishlineperformance.com/ I'll second that. If Tommy Grimes can't help you, no one can. SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > I'll second that. If Tommy Grimes can't help you, no one can. In a part number question I had where the part could not be found by (ahem) Another Major DC Area Mazda Dealer, Tommy indicated his light weekend reading is the Mazda price book that comes out every few months. He said he finds a lot of little things not in the parts list. He is the man to go to on this. SignatureKen Lyons '97 Brilliant Black/'90 Classic Red Inside the Beltway [Remove the first two digits to reply] >>I'll second that. If Tommy Grimes can't help you, no one can. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > finds a lot of little things not in the parts list. He is the man to go to > on this. Wow, that is good for us, but if he reads Mazda price books for weekend entertainment, I think we may need to get together and go grab Tommy and persuade/force him to go out for a few cold ones. A r.a.m.m. get-together, that would be something to see. We'll all meet at Lanny's house. ;-) Pat > Wow, that is good for us, but if he reads Mazda price books for weekend > entertainment, I think we may need to get together and go grab Tommy and > persuade/force him to go out for a few cold ones. Um...I don't think The Parts Dood would need much arm twisting. > A r.a.m.m. get-together, that would be something to see. We'll all meet > at Lanny's house. ;-) Sure, that would be a convenient staging area--I live just 900 miles from Tommy. We could caravan... SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > Sure, that would be a convenient staging area--I live just 900 miles > from Tommy. We could caravan... Well, what would be the point of driving just 10 miles to get there? Also, this would give me a chance to whoop your a.s in a race on those roads you talk about. Bring your title, and no whining when I hand you your door handles after the race. ;-) (Now I am running for the bomb shelter) Pat > > Sure, that would be a convenient staging area--I live just 900 miles > > from Tommy. We could caravan... > > Well, what would be the point of driving just 10 miles to get there? Indeed. And of course, since we'll all be in Miatas, the actual mileage will be somewhat closer to 5,000 by the time we get to northern Virginia, by way of Colorado and Deal's Gap. SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html >>>Sure, that would be a convenient staging area--I live just 900 miles >>>from Tommy. We could caravan... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > will be somewhat closer to 5,000 by the time we get to northern > Virginia, by way of Colorado and Deal's Gap. Let's plan the event for this spring. What is the capacity of your house and yard? Also, I will let you know how many people you will need to feed when we meet up there. I am also nominating you for the position of the sacrificial "ticket runner", staying a few miles ahead of the pack with a radio. It is a special honor for a special person. ;-) Pat > I am also nominating you for the position of the sacrificial "ticket > runner", staying a few miles ahead of the pack with a radio. It is a > special honor for a special person. ;-) I am truly blessed. <sniff> SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > Let's plan the event for this spring. Actually, it is fun to do something like that. I just spent a day riding all over DC with cyclists from the Road Bike Review web forum. What do they say?...it's like meeting old friends for the first time. Last September I rode mountain bikes in Utah with CompuServe friends I met for the first time there 10 years ago. It would be a hoot to put faces and personalities with names. This is one of the few newsgroups where I would feel comfortable meeting the inmates. SignatureKen Lyons '97 Brilliant Black/'90 Classic Red Inside the Beltway [Remove the first two digits to reply] > Actually, it is fun to do something like that. I just spent a day riding all > over DC with cyclists from the Road Bike Review web forum. What do they [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It would be a hoot to put faces and personalities with names. This is one of > the few newsgroups where I would feel comfortable meeting the inmates. Inmates, heh-heh. I am something like 6 years in. My sentence here is 10 years with no early release. I'm game, but Leon scares me. ;-) I have met 2 people who posted here, but that was long ago. Both were cool. I have bought and sold miata parts with a good number of people here, always with favorable results. Definitely a decent group of people. We are smart enough that even the best troll finds little to eat here. As long as Leon, Lanny, Chris M., Chris D., tooloud, Dana Myers, Grant Edwards, Scott Streeter, XS11E, and of course, Bruce Haskin don't show up, we should have a great time. ;-) (Running for a deep bunker this time) - Sorry for any regulars that I missed, you are included as well, heh-heh. Pat > As long as Leon, Lanny, Chris M., Chris D., tooloud, Dana Myers, Grant > Edwards, Scott Streeter, XS11E, and of course, Bruce Haskin don't show > up, we should have a great time. ;-) Ah, so we're to meet at my house when I'm not here? My brain hurts... SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > Ah, so we're to meet at my house when I'm not here? My brain hurts... The brain is like a muscle. Don't exercise it enough, and it hurts when you try to use it. ;-) Of course we are meeting when you are not there. Take the Accord and go away, but first make sure that you have new Toyos, a fresh alignment, and a full tank of gas for the miata, along with the keys under the seat. I plan on doing the rough driving in your car. Do I have to explain everything? Pat > Of course we are meeting when you are not there. Take the Accord and go > away, but first make sure that you have new Toyos, a fresh alignment, > and a full tank of gas for the miata, along with the keys under the > seat. I plan on doing the rough driving in your car. > > Do I have to explain everything? No thanks, but I appreciate the offer. I think I can figure out how to load my new shotgun by myself. All I need now is targets... SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > No thanks, but I appreciate the offer. I think I can figure out how to > load my new shotgun by myself. All I need now is targets... Hummingbirds make excellent targets. I use this to hunt them since we have so many different species in Texas. ;-) http://home.austin.rr.com/sheltonservices/images/benelli.jpg Pat > > No thanks, but I appreciate the offer. I think I can figure out how to > > load my new shotgun by myself. All I need now is targets... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://home.austin.rr.com/sheltonservices/images/benelli.jpg Hey, that's the same one I have, except mine is belt-fed. Be a shame to run out of shells before running out of targets. SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html >>http://home.austin.rr.com/sheltonservices/images/benelli.jpg > > Hey, that's the same one I have, except mine is belt-fed. Be a shame to > run out of shells before running out of targets. That is actually mine, scary, eh? To keep it on topic, this is a very effective Miata defense system. It only holds 8 rounds (2 3/4" shells, it will also hold 3" shells, one less, iirc.), so it is a bit limited. The Benelli is pure Italian Craftsmanship, I have never seen or had one jam, the blowback system is incredibly reliable. Benelli claims that an expert can fire seven shots and the last round will leave the barrel before the first expended hull has hit the ground. I have seen a video of it and it is amazing. The lighting system is a Surefire unit that activates with a switch on the front grip. It puts out 225 lumens of light in an extremely concentrated beam. You literally can not look in the direction of the light when it is dark and even closing your eyes leaves you seeing spots if it is within 5 to 10 feet or so. That light is powered by a large 3-cell lithium battery that only lasts 20 minutes, so you can imagine the energy involved. The lamp gets VERY hot. This is not your old Mag Light. Happy Turkey Day! Pat > It only holds 8 rounds (2 3/4" shells, it will also hold 3" shells, one > less, iirc.), so it is a bit limited. The Benelli is pure Italian [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Happy Turkey Day! http://vegweb.com/recipes/events/index-thanksgiving.shtml Happy let-a-turkey-live day :-) Eric >> Happy Turkey Day! > >Happy let-a-turkey-live day :-) Thank you for your compassionate suggestion, which we took to heart. -- Larry P.S. The goose was delicious. > P.S. The goose was delicious. SWMBO made one of my favorites, chiles rellenos. Using free-range poblanos, of course. SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > > P.S. The goose was delicious. > > SWMBO made one of my favorites, chiles rellenos. Using free-range > poblanos, of course. ?Que est 'poblanos'? SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info > > SWMBO made one of my favorites, chiles rellenos. Using free-range > > poblanos, of course. > > ?Que est 'poblanos'? The poblano is the preferred variety of pepper for that dish. They're large, tasty, and generally quite mild if the seeds and membrane are removed carefully before cooking. We like to roast them over an open flame before stuffing and baking. SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html > > > SWMBO made one of my favorites, chiles rellenos. Using free-range > > > poblanos, of course. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > removed carefully before cooking. We like to roast them over an open > flame before stuffing and baking. Ahhh... Hokay. In other words, something I ain't gonna be eating anytime soon, since peppers hotter than your typical garden-variety bell pepper leave me with something that, if it isn't technically a chemical burn, does a real good impression of being one. (Dunno why, but the three days of feeling like I've got a mouthful of burning gunpowder just doesn't seem to be worth the few seconds of "This tastes pretty good" I get as a trade-off!) SignatureDon Bruder - dakidd@sonic.net - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist, or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow" somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... <http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd> for more info >> > SWMBO made one of my favorites, chiles rellenos. Using free-range >> > poblanos, of course. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >removed carefully before cooking. We like to roast them over an open >flame before stuffing and baking. What? You castrate them and skin them alive, then roast them over an open flame?? Why not let these poblanos live in peace? Leon SignatureLeon van Dommelen :) Bozo, the White 96 Sebring Miata .) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata EXIT THE INTERSTATES (Jamie Jensen) > The lighting system is a Surefire unit [...] Say no more. -- david "can only afford streamlight" higgins >> The lighting system is a Surefire unit [...] > > Say no more. > > -- david "can only afford streamlight" higgins Don't knock Streamlight, I have a Streamlight SL-20 and a Stinger that are both great flashlights. They are both over 10 years old and the Stinger just now needs a new battery. Neither has ever failed me in those 10 years. But when it comes to true blinding power from a battery operated unit that can be carried, (or mounted on a firearm), Surefire is certainly the leader. That is why S.W.A.T. and almost every other elite assualt team uses them. Pat > Of course we are meeting when you are not there. Take the Accord and go > away, but first make sure that you have new Toyos, a fresh alignment, and > a full tank of gas for the miata, along with the keys under the seat Correct - for those of us flying over from the UK who have to leave their MX5s behind and therefore need something to play with once we get there. :-) Eric |
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