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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / March 2006

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dave - 01 Mar 2006 18:35 GMT
hi all
with a 2005 miata, not supercharged, how much difference is it to run
premium gas vs. reg gas?
david-I
Lanny Chambers - 01 Mar 2006 18:57 GMT
> with a 2005 miata, not supercharged, how much difference is it to run
> premium gas vs. reg gas?

About 20 cents per gallon.

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dave - 01 Mar 2006 19:54 GMT
:)

i certainly set my self up for that one...didnt I

dave
Chris D'Agnolo - 01 Mar 2006 22:27 GMT
yes!

Chris
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> :)
>
> i certainly set my self up for that one...didnt I
>
> dave
XS11E - 02 Mar 2006 06:08 GMT
> with a 2005 miata, not supercharged, how much difference is it to run
> premium gas vs. reg gas?

I'm ignoring the obvious set up and I'll give you the CORRECT answer.  
Use what the owner's manual says to use, nothing else!

I'll ass-U-Me it's under warranty and using ONLY specified gas, oil,
etc. etc. etc. will save you a lot of grief with the dealer if
something should break.  After the warranty expires you can use any oil
you prefer, any gas, any parts, do what ever you want but do not risk
the warranty by using regular in a car that says to use premium or vice
versa.  You do not want to give them any grounds to deny a warranty
claim.  

Most dealers are reasonably fair and so is the factory but why press
your luck?
TradeMiataUsa4MiataEurope - 02 Mar 2006 13:54 GMT
xS11e!  Tally Hoe!  I'm a Paralegal from Lawsuit State of California,
(110cases).  Anything that can void a warranty can be found with proper
"research". The most difficult thing to "discover/research/test" is
gasoline. But! Still is 20cents/gallon/30miles worth it? No! I have a
100,000 mile Mazda warranty and I use everything "required" and more in
service periods.
XS11E - 02 Mar 2006 15:01 GMT
> xS11e!  Tally Hoe!  I'm a Paralegal from Lawsuit State of
> California, (110cases).  Anything that can void a warranty can be
> found with proper "research".

Not the point, the point is you don't want to have a situation where
you have to discuss it.  

Example (which really happened to a customer of my shop), you take your
car to an independent shop for an oil change, later there's a problem
and the dealer refuses warranty because "You voided the warranty when
you let someone else work on the car!"  Of course you didn't void the
warranty and of course you'll win that one but..... why have the fight
in the first place when you could have had the dealer change the oil
and saved time and frustration?
Chuck - 03 Mar 2006 06:41 GMT
Because you cannot trust the dealer to do such things!

> > xS11e!  Tally Hoe!  I'm a Paralegal from Lawsuit State of
> > California, (110cases).  Anything that can void a warranty can be
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> in the first place when you could have had the dealer change the oil
> and saved time and frustration?
altar nospam - 03 Mar 2006 07:51 GMT
>Because you cannot trust the dealer to do such things!
>
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>> in the first place when you could have had the dealer change the oil
>> and saved time and frustration?

That, and the dealer charges you 10-15 bucks more, AND, you have to
have an "appointment", then leave it half a day, at least where I
live. I can drive in anywhere else in town, and be outa there in 20
minutes.

Tom
XS11E - 03 Mar 2006 11:08 GMT
>>Because you cannot trust the dealer to do such things!
>>
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> I live. I can drive in anywhere else in town, and be outa there in
> 20 minutes.

I've found the dealers are VERY competitive on price and often less
than the "grease and go" places who do extremely shoddy work.  Many
have set up fast lanes for routine oil changes and will have you done
in a 1/2 hour or less.  I've started going to the dealer because
they're faster, same price, and do better work that the specialty oil
change places.  They do about as good work as the conventional shops
but are often faster and less expensive.
Chuck - 04 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT
Around here, the dealers mechanics are generally busy doing warranty repair.
Such things as oil changes and the like are relegated to the same crew that
washes cars and does such things as incoming inspection and wax jobs. Even
among the mechanics, there is a division or two, such as "heavy mechanical"
(Engine & transmission changes, etc.) "Light mechanical" (Brakes, accessory
replacements, alignments, etc) And in some shops electrical, electronic
(diagnostics,etc.) is even separate. rates? Dealer $85Hr Independent shops
$45-65
Hook a car to an electronic diagnostic machine $80 + Labor minimum 1 Hr.

I darken a dealers doorstep only when:
1. He is the only source for a part
2. Warranty repair

To show why-
Some years ago, my in-laws bought a new caddy in the Chicago area in the
winter. a few weeks later, they drove it to the southeast, where we live.
During the trip, the outside temperature change was from below freezing in
Chicago to balmy 70's with in car temperatures much higher due to the sun.
The headliner was glued and started sagging. Not only that, but the caddy
started running poorly, to the point that it would stall when the A/C kicked
in.

When my father in law and my wife went to the local caddy dealer, the
service manager told them that he would not repair the caddy since they
(obviously) did not buy it there.

What the service manager did not know was that one of the owning partners
was the family lawyer, and his daughters were in my wife's girl scout
troupe.   A phone call solved the problem, with the service manager's skin
color changing several shades lighter after my wife handed him the phone.
Yes, the caddy was finally repaired, and fairly quickly.

I've had dealers service people use the no problem found excuse too many
times. I've also had them make records of service disappear when warranty
issues arose. I've had factory reps disagree, and refuse to authorize
additional repairs needed when the first attempt failed due to "replace the
less expensive part first" practices.

I've had several occasions when a warrenty replacement part had the same
problem as the original. This occurs more often with american made cars than
with the usual japanese car.
When this happens to often the dealers service departmentsd throw up there
hands, rather than actually solving the problem.

There is still too much of the repair it "good enough to make it past the
warrenty" in the dealers repair operations.

> >>Because you cannot trust the dealer to do such things!
> >>
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> change places.  They do about as good work as the conventional shops
> but are often faster and less expensive.
 
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