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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / July 2006"Mazda applies 'zoom-zoom' philosophy to CX-7"
Mazda applies 'zoom-zoom' philosophy to CX-7 The all-new 2007 CX-7 crossover SUV is the first of three new vehicles conceived specifically for the United States and Canada. at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend/20060629-090418-8985r.htm I've been really impressed lately with both Mazda in general and with what I've read about the CX-7. If you look at the other comparable vehicles (Acura MDX and some of the other good looking SUV's with some sporting pretenses) I think it blows them out when you consider price. Performance looks quite good, handling quite good, the design of the interior is as good or better that anything and the ergonomics seem just right. Am I crazy or is it almost $10k below what it competes with? This isn't an endorsement of SUV's so please spare me the diatribes, I'm simply talking about apples to apples. I'm proud of Mazda, keep it up! Even the marketing of the new spider miata, they appear to have released just two pics, both super high quality pics, a beautiful new paint color and the key, they are teaser photos. Not a closed view and an open view but a teaser view getting everyone talking, wondering what it'll look like with the top up / down, getting the anticipation up. Very well done. Mazdaspeed Miata? Mazda? Mazdaspeed RX-8 is long overdue, come on Mazda, no time to rest! Chris 99BBB > Mazda applies 'zoom-zoom' philosophy to CX-7 > The all-new 2007 CX-7 crossover SUV is the first of three new vehicles > conceived specifically for the United States and Canada. > at http://www.washtimes.com/autoweekend/20060629-090418-8985r.htm > I've been really impressed lately with both Mazda in general and with what > I've read about the CX-7. If you look at the other comparable vehicles [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Chris > 99BBB I basically agree, and I could certainly use a vehicle like that for many things that my miata can not do, but isn't it just a station wagon that sits a bit higher than normal? I don't think I would call it a SUV, or even a crossover. BMSW is my term for it. (Big Modern Station Wagon). Pat You might be right on that but what are names really? Marketing devices I guess. Chris 99BBB >> I've been really impressed lately with both Mazda in general and with >> what I've read about the CX-7. If you look at the other comparable [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Pat > You might be right on that but what are names really? Marketing devices I > guess. > > Chris > 99BBB Very true, I doubt if it would sell as well if Mazda called it an off-road capable station wagon. Just look at how much of an argument it starts when people start trying to define "sports car". I do agree that Mazda is improving. A few years ago I would have told people to look at Toyotas and Hondas for reliability, with the exception of the miata from Mazda because of my first-hand experience with the incredible reliability of the car. Now I am looking into other Mazda cars as well for sedan or *big station wagon* alternatives. Pat I bought their minivan (MPV) for my wife the first year it came out. Owned it for 10 years and absolutely loved it. I was extremely impressed with not only it's fit and finish but with the quality of materials used. Seat fabrics and plastics throughout were top notch and all of the switches and controls worked in a quality fashion. All that from a first year model of a new type of vehicle for them. During those years I owned it, almost all of the Mazda owners I ran into had similar experiences. I could never figure out how Mazda's reputation lagged behind several of the other big Japanese manufacturers. I know they're not perfect hell, my own miata still worries me on the #4 bearing cap failure issue of which I don't think Mazda ever took the high road on. Chris 99BBB >> You might be right on that but what are names really? Marketing devices >> I guess. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Pat > I bought their minivan (MPV) for my wife the first year it came out. Owned > it for 10 years and absolutely loved it. I was extremely impressed with not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Chris > 99BBB I really think that the rotary engine had a lot to do with it, even though it was not used on many of their vehicles. Even I would look at a 3rd generation RX-7, think what a beautiful car, and then immediately wonder what the bill would be when it came time to replace the apex seals. From what I have heard, the 626 is a bit of a POS, but I don't have any direct experience with it. It seems like every non-U.S. car driver I knew that wasn't driving a miata or a SUV was in a Honda, Toyota, or Nissan. The ones driving the Nissans had the highest problem rate by far of the three mentioned. Mazda's reputation probably had a lot to do with advertising. Honda and Toyota didn't really need it, word of mouth and Consumer Reports was enough. Nissan has had great advertising in the last 8 years or so, imho. I think that Mazda's advertising sucked then and still sucks today, but then, I hate "zoom-zoom", the song, the idea, the vinyl stickers, and anything else connected with it. It might actually be good advertising for Mazda, I just don't like it, but I do like their products. ;-) Pat I pretty much agree on the advertising. Oh, and on the rotary being a knock on the reputation of the company chris 99bbb >> I bought their minivan (MPV) for my wife the first year it came out. >> Owned it for 10 years and absolutely loved it. I was extremely impressed [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Pat > I pretty much agree on the advertising. Oh, and on the rotary being a knock > on the reputation of the company > > chris > 99bbb Well, screw you then, let's find something to argue about. There are far better colors than black for a miata, what were you thinking? ;-) Pat - NOT looking forward to the fireworks show from the front porch this year due to *rain*, the bane of miata owners. Well, we can't all drive RED MIATAS! :-) Chris 99BBB >> I pretty much agree on the advertising. Oh, and on the rotary being a >> knock on the reputation of the company [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Pat - NOT looking forward to the fireworks show from the front porch this > year due to *rain*, the bane of miata owners. Now Chris !!! Sure we "COULD" all drive "Red" Miatas, but we need to factor in IQ's with that. :-) :-) :-) Bruce Bing '03 LS (hee, hee, hee, Garnet Red) > Well, we can't all drive RED MIATAS! True; there have never been enough red ones to go around, so the unlucky must settle for one of the lesser colors. :-)  SignatureLanny Chambers '94C, St. Louis http://www.hummingbirds.net/alignment.html Good shot Lanny! I love it. The Miatas that we see as Black, or White, are really just "off shades" of Red. :-) Bruce Bing '03 LS > Good shot Lanny! I love it. The Miatas that we see as Black, or White, are > really just "off shades" of Red. :-) > > Bruce Bing '03 LS Sure, Bruce, just like the refractive colors on a mallard duck. Frank 2002 LS, brilliant black with tan leather... Frank ! You got it ! :-) Bruce Bing '03 LS >> I bought their minivan (MPV) for my wife the first year it came out. >> Owned it for 10 years and absolutely loved it. I was extremely [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > replace the apex seals. > From what I have heard, the 626 is a bit of a POS, Sure, but they haven't sold that for years, have they? The 6 is a pretty capable car as a replacement. > but I don't have > any direct experience with it. It seems like every non-U.S. car [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The ones driving the Nissans had the highest problem rate by far of > the three mentioned. I think that's changed, too. I've got two Nissans with nary a problem between them, and one's over 150k miles. > Mazda's reputation probably had a lot to do with advertising. > Honda and Toyota didn't really need it, word of mouth and Consumer [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It might actually be good advertising for Mazda, I just don't like it, > but I do like their products. ;-) Kind of a "pick your battles" type of situation, huh? Signaturetooloud Remove nothing to reply > Sure, but they haven't sold that for years, have they? The 6 is a pretty > capable car as a replacement. I don't know the last year that they made the 626, but the Mazda reputation was being affected while they were in production. At the same time, they were producing the RX-7, with the famous apex seals issue. Now I think that both the products and the reputation are improving, with the exception of the miata, of course, which was perfected in 1989. ;-) > I think that's changed, too. I've got two Nissans with nary a problem > between them, and one's over 150k miles. I agree, I think that Mazda, Honda, Toyota and Nissan are all in basically the same league at this point. 10 years ago, I would have left both Mazda and Nissan out of the running except for the miata because of my own personal experience with it. > Kind of a "pick your battles" type of situation, huh? Yes, I had to remind myself that design and marketing are two different departments after seeing that "zoom-zoom" Tribute commercial with a Miata in it. Pat >> Sure, but they haven't sold that for years, have they? The 6 is a >> pretty capable car as a replacement. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > different departments after seeing that "zoom-zoom" Tribute > commercial with a Miata in it. I remember the one and thought the same thing. Signaturetooloud Remove nothing to reply > I've been really impressed lately with both Mazda in general and with > what I've read about the CX-7. If you look at the other comparable [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > seem just right. Am I crazy or is it almost $10k below what it > competes with? No, you're not crazy, but the CX-7 doesn't really compete with the MDX--it will compete with the RDX when it comes out. The RDX will be a much more similar vehicle. To prove your point, go to edmunds.com and build a Nissan Murano side-by-side with a CX-7. The specs are almost identical but the Mazda is about $8k cheaper. <snip> Signaturetooloud Remove nothing to reply Gottcha, good point. Chris 99BBB >> I've been really impressed lately with both Mazda in general and with >> what I've read about the CX-7. If you look at the other comparable [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <snip> "Mike" wrote > The all-new 2007 CX-7 crossover SUV is the first of three new vehicles > conceived specifically for the United States and Canada. Odd they don't mention that anywhere on www.mazda.com.au |
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