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Don Bruder - 20 Sep 2006 22:34 GMT
The car:
1982 Mazda 626 that just turned over 189501 on the odometer. 2.0 liter 4
cylinder engine driving a 5 speed stick.

The symptoms:
Was driving normally until I stepped down hard on the gas for a pass on
the way to town this morning. Chugged, shook, acted "unhappy", power
*WAY* below normal. Nursed it to a parking lot, noticed puffs (not
steady stream) of white from exhaust while limping into parking lot.
Shut down, checked oil. A bit low (Maybe half to 3/4 quart low) Checked
radiator. Seemingly empty, or at least low enough that I can't see water
level. (Was fine day before yesterday when I added a small splash of
water) No visible leakage anywhere that isn't usual for this old beater.
Filled radiator. Ran it (idling rough, but idling) and got foam out of
the radiator. Uh-oh... At this point, I'm suspecting head gasket.

Got no time for this - the court tends to ignore excuses like broken
cars, and start getting pissy and issuing arrest warrants when you don't
show up as scheduled. Refilled radiator, and continued to town with it
"acting funny". Several "make sure it has water" stops on the way. Temp
gauge went high, but not redline and it gradaully lost almost all power
- Could barely move itself in 1st gear until I got the engine wound WAY
up (3500, give or take a bit)  Stalled at two stoplights, but restarted
after prolonged cranking, but refused to idle. Running horribly rough
unless I kept it wound up pretty high (Above 2K) Stalled at third
stoplight, and no restart. Pushed off to side of road, abandoned it with
a "please don't tow, I'll be back ASAP with a tow truck" note on the
dash, and walked the rest of the way to courthouse. Took care of
business there, and called AAA for a tow home. Got it here.

Pulled spark plugs - All "dry and normal" except #3, which has always
shown a slight oil leak (almost certainly valve guide seals, which I've
know it needs for ages, but haven't had the time to do anything about,
or spare funds to pay someone to take care of.) No signs of water or oil
except on #3, which, for this car, is basically "business as usual".

Compression test was the shocker for me:

Dry:
#1: *NO COMPRESSION WHATSOEVER* - doesn't even jiggle the needle.
#2: consistently about 25 PSI
#3: 125 PSI +/- about 5 PSI between runs
#4: 132 PSI +/- about 3 PSI between runs

Add oil and repeat compression test.
#1: About 15 PSI (Hard to say for sure - needle moved, but scale doesn't
start until 20 PSI
#2, #3 and #4: Virtually unchanged - maybe a pound or two higher in each.

Conclusion/sanity check: Problem is blown head gasket, almost certainly
between #1 and #2 cylinders, probably involving the block-to-head water
passage.

Reasonable? Totally stupid? Otherwise? Should look elsewhere for actual
problem?

Need any assistance I can get ASAP, since this car must either be ready
to make a 600 mile road trip starting Saturday morning, or be abandoned
as junk (I'm preparing to move, and won't be coming back if it gets left
behind.)

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Scott Dorsey - 20 Sep 2006 22:39 GMT
>Conclusion/sanity check: Problem is blown head gasket, almost certainly
>between #1 and #2 cylinders, probably involving the block-to-head water
>passage.

Could be.  Could be worse than that.  You won't know without pulling the head.

>Reasonable? Totally stupid? Otherwise? Should look elsewhere for actual
>problem?

Pull the head.  Either you'll see gasket issues, or you'll see cracked
metal.  If the metal looks good, try putting a gasket on, then doing a
quick compression test before you bolt everything down and seal it up
for good.

>Need any assistance I can get ASAP, since this car must either be ready
>to make a 600 mile road trip starting Saturday morning, or be abandoned
>as junk (I'm preparing to move, and won't be coming back if it gets left
>behind.)

Stop wasting time!  Pull the head right now.
--scott
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Don Bruder - 21 Sep 2006 00:38 GMT
> >Conclusion/sanity check: Problem is blown head gasket, almost certainly
> >between #1 and #2 cylinders, probably involving the block-to-head water
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Stop wasting time!  Pull the head right now.

Seems to be the general concensus, though I was praying for "Hey,
stupid, you missed *THIS* trivial little thing".

Got about 4 more bolts to get out, and I should be able to lift the
head. Trouble is, those four bolts are in absoute *HELL* positions to
get to. <sigh> In for a quick bite to eat, then back to it.

Further information: Once I got the valve cover lifted, found some very
minor mayonaise, obviously condensation by the amount and location, but
otherwise, everything looks A-OK there.

It's looking more and more like I'm going to find a ruined gasket once I
get the head lifted. Hopefully, that's all it is. Looking at the new
gasket, I'm now betting on a blowout between #1 and #2, on the driver's
side of the block, by way of a water gallery, with a "flap" left between
#2 and the water gallery acting as a "one-way valve" for pressure moving
from #1 to #2. That would explain #2 having SOME compression (when it
compresses, the "flap" closes, letting some pressure build), while #1
has NO compression. That's also the "skinniest" part of the gasket other
than where #3 and #4 come closest to touching each other. But since #3
and #4 both show within-specs compression, and if that point were to
give, there'd be no water involved, I'm pretty sure that I can rule out
that part of the gasket for the break.

I guess we'll find out how accurate my prediction is once I manage to
get rid of these last four bolts...

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Don Bruder - 21 Sep 2006 01:21 GMT
> It's looking more and more like I'm going to find a ruined gasket once I
> get the head lifted. Hopefully, that's all it is. Looking at the new
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I guess we'll find out how accurate my prediction is once I manage to
> get rid of these last four bolts...

Found a way to get away with pulling only one of the four "hell bolts".
It's out, and the head is lifted.

Gasket is indeed fried between #1 and #2, but without the "flap" I
predicted - Instead, the destroyed part of the gasket extends from #1 to
the water gallery, but there's a piece of "wall" left between the
gallery and #2. More than half an inch between the closest parts of #1
and #2 is just plain *GONE*. Looks like firing order is the reason for
the "no compression on 1, some compresion on 2" behavior.

No metal damage apparent, although I'm going to have to ladle water out
of both #1 and #2, then sponge them out before reassembly. Both are
about half full of water as the engine landed.

Now I just hope that the gasket is/was the only actual damage. By the
look of it, it may very well be the original gasket installed when the
engine was built over in Hiroshima.

#3/#4 aren't gone yet, but it looks like it wouldn't have be much longer
before that thin spot gave out if #1 and #2 hadn't gone first.

Panic levels returning to "OK, we can cope". Thanks folks!

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halatos@gmail.com - 21 Sep 2006 01:37 GMT
> No metal damage apparent, although I'm going to have to ladle water out
> of both #1 and #2, then sponge them out before reassembly. Both are
> about half full of water as the engine landed.

Compressed air would probably work the fastest and then just clean the
sealing surface. If I were you, I'd take the head down to a local
machine shop and have it checked for any warping/leaking valves. Just
bolting it back on will work...but if it is warped it will be a
short-lived repair job.

Chris
Mike Romain - 21 Sep 2006 01:49 GMT
> > No metal damage apparent, although I'm going to have to ladle water out
> > of both #1 and #2, then sponge them out before reassembly. Both are
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Chris

Old age likely got that gasket.  4 banger mazda heads don't warp easy.

Mike
Don Bruder - 21 Sep 2006 03:02 GMT
> > > No metal damage apparent, although I'm going to have to ladle water out
> > > of both #1 and #2, then sponge them out before reassembly. Both are
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Mike

Aye that, on both counts. From what I'm seeing using straightedge and
feelers per the factory manual, I've got either no warp at all, or so
little that it won't mean diddly-squat once I slop some good ol' copper
permatex on it and drop the fresh gasket in place.

Old age definitely *APPEARS* to be the cause of death on this one - I
think I said in the other message that it looks as though this may be
the factory-original gasket.

And then there's the fact that this fix only *HAS TO* last about 600
miles - Once I'm in the new location, and have all the time I care to
take, rather than being in the panic mode "IT'S GOTTA BE MOBILE SATURDAY
MORNING!" situation I'm looking at right now, I can redo it at leisure
if it seems neccesary.

With a much as I've got invested in this ol' beater in terms of time and
TLC, and as good as it's treated me over the years I've had it, I'm not
much interested in just hauling it to the boneyard... It's ugly as a
bucket fulla monkey a.sholes, but up until now, it's been "get in, turn
the key, and go where you want to go - First time, every time", and I've
gotten kind of attached to the ol' beater :)

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Scott Dorsey - 21 Sep 2006 15:50 GMT
>> No metal damage apparent, although I'm going to have to ladle water out
>> of both #1 and #2, then sponge them out before reassembly. Both are
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>bolting it back on will work...but if it is warped it will be a
>short-lived repair job.

If you have a reliable straightedge, you can eyeball it for serious
warping... an optical flat would be a lot more accurate but the straightedge
is better than nothing in a pinch.

If the valves are bad, it won't pass a compression test once you have it
back together.  So yes, you waste a good bit of working time by not taking
the head to a shop, but you save a lot of waiting time.
--scott
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Steve W. - 21 Sep 2006 03:24 GMT
>> It's looking more and more like I'm going to find a ruined gasket once I
>> get the head lifted. Hopefully, that's all it is. Looking at the new
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>
> Panic levels returning to "OK, we can cope". Thanks folks!

I'd turn the engine over and check the deck height of those two pistons
just to be sure that water didn't bend a rod. Sop out the water then
pour some alcohol in there to dilute any left over water and then blow
dry the bores. Toss a straight head on the block and head just to be
sure as well.

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Chuck - 20 Sep 2006 22:40 GMT
With the mileage and age adding to the problem, I'd likely tow or scrap the
car.
Given more time, I might look around for a used engine if I could do the
replacement myself.

> The car:
> 1982 Mazda 626 that just turned over 189501 on the odometer. 2.0 liter 4
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> as junk (I'm preparing to move, and won't be coming back if it gets left
> behind.)
Pete C. - 20 Sep 2006 22:42 GMT
> The car:
> 1982 Mazda 626 that just turned over 189501 on the odometer. 2.0 liter 4
[quoted text clipped - 62 lines]
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Not an expert, but given the age, mileage and disastrously bad
compression readings I suspect that the "Abandoned as junk" option is
probably the most reasonable I'm afraid. Unless you were to rebuild it
in weekend spare time I doubt it would be worth the expense / effort.

Pete C.
Mike Romain - 20 Sep 2006 23:10 GMT
If it's just a head gasket like it sounds, then it's likely worth it.
If you open it up and see destruction, well...

Mike
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> The car:
> 1982 Mazda 626 that just turned over 189501 on the odometer. 2.0 liter 4
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Steve - 21 Sep 2006 14:36 GMT
: Virtually unchanged - maybe a pound or two higher in each.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Reasonable? Totally stupid? Otherwise? Should look elsewhere for actual
> problem?

I think that's pretty conclusive.
Chris D'Agnolo - 22 Sep 2006 05:33 GMT
Don, Hope you get it, let us know, we hate to see a mazda bite the dust ;-)

Chris
99BBB

> : Virtually unchanged - maybe a pound or two higher in each.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> I think that's pretty conclusive.
Don Bruder - 22 Sep 2006 18:20 GMT
<snip the tale of woe and various commentary since>

Got the head pulled late in the afternoon day before yesterday (not too
awful long after the initial "HELP!" post) and found, as expected after
a compression test showing *ZERO* compression in #1, about 25 pounds in
#2, and normal 135-ish in #3 and #4, a scragged head gasket - gone
between #1 and #2, and blowing into a water gallery.

As of about 15 minutes ago, I've got it put back together far enough to
be able to run a compression test - It's not runnable yet - Still got
valve cover and intake manifold to bolt back on, need to re-hang all of
the belt-driven stuff and reinstall the radiator (had to come in through
the front to reset the timing chain tensioner, which required pulling
practically everything off the front of the engine to get to the access
hatch so I could do that), and untangle and reconnect a rat's nest of
vacuum lines, as well as resetting ignition timing before I can even
consider an actual attempt to run it.

The results?
All four cylinders showing above 135 but below 145 PSI after three
"pulses" on the compression gauge needle, with only "about" (dial on
compression gauge only resolves to 5 pound increments) 5 pounds
difference between highest and lowest. Factory manual specs say anything
from 120 to 170 is acceptable, as long as everybody's within 7 PSI of
everybody else. So I'm calling that good, and pronouncing the head
gasket cured.

Another hour or two, maybe less, should have me ready to fire this beast
up for timing and test run. Wish me luck!

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Mike Romain - 22 Sep 2006 19:58 GMT
Cool, good luck!

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Nate Nagel - 23 Sep 2006 01:17 GMT
> <snip the tale of woe and various commentary since>
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> Another hour or two, maybe less, should have me ready to fire this beast
> up for timing and test run. Wish me luck!

Good luck!  Hopefully your next post will begin "it's ALIIIIIIIIVE!"

nate

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Don Bruder - 23 Sep 2006 02:48 GMT
> > <snip the tale of woe and various commentary since>
> >
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>
> nate

Well, at least mostly alive...

It's running - There's no denying that.

Trouble is, besides "pistons going up and down turning gasoline into
exhaust and making crankshaft go 'round and 'round" style running, it's
also running water - a steady trickle, maybe an eigth of an inch
"thick". And I'm damned if I can spot the source! Wherever it is, it's
somewhere on the front of the block - At first, it appeared to be coming
off of the harmonic balancer shaft, which makes very little, if any,
sense - There shouldn't be anyplace there for water to come from!
Putting it up on stands and crawling underneath with it running changed
the "where it falls off the engine" location to just below the "hatch"
to the timing chain tension adjuster (which is just above the harmonic
balancer - Moved the "drip point" up about 6 inches, basically). THAT
makes no sense - There's noplace for water to come from there - OIL?
Sure - Oil *COULD* come from there *VERY* easily if it wasn't properly
gasketed and permatexed. (it was/is) But not water.

Which pretty much narrows it down to the water pump, I guess - there's
noplace else on the front of the engine that *CAN* leak water - The
timing cover, with chain beneath it, is the only thing there, and *WAS
NOT* removed from the block yesterday while I was tearing the stuff off
the front of the engine. It has one water passage - a pass-through from
the water pump to the block, and the front of the timing cover makes up
the back of the water pump.

The water pump had to be removed to allow access to the timing chain
adjuster hatch, but it was put back on with a new gasket, doped heavily
with permatex blue on both sides, and *VERY* carefully tightened and
inspected, showing a plainly visible bead of permatex mooshed out of the
seam all the way around.

I wonder if the water pump seal/bearing is leaking? But I can see no
sign of water there, either.

Can't see the bottom half of the water pump now that everything is back
together - stuff in the way, including the lower radiator hose, and
harmonic balancer/crankshaft pulley. All hose clamps are tight by feel,
but two of the ends are impossible to see now that things are back
together - it COULD be one of those two hoses leaking, I guess...

Only other thing that's worrying me is what looks to be a small amount
of oil in the cooling system now, but I can't rule out the concept that
oil spilled from the oil galleries into the water jacket when the head
was lifted. Gonna do a multiple drain and refill to try to rule out
and/or clean up that possibility. Crankcase is water-free, as far as I'm
able to tell from looking at the dipstick, and the amount of oil in the
cooling system seems to be quite small - just a "skin" on top when I
look into the radiator after shutting it down and letting things settle
for a minute or two. No pressure, suction, or foaming at the radiator
when it's running, so clearly no compression getting into the system.
(unlike the other day when the gasket let go, and there was *ALL KINDS*
of pressure and foam happening)

Aside from that, it *IS* running, and miraculously, I managed to get the
timing to within about 2 degrees before ever hooking up the timing
light. I expected it to be *COMPLETELY* out of time, since I rolled the
crank (both directions) several times while dinking with getting the
harmonic balancer bolt broke loose, then torqued back down yesterday,
and fumbled the distributor twice, both times visibly moving the gear on
the "recovery".

Timing chain was, *OF COURSE* wired (OK, actually zip-tied, but close
enough, right?) to the camshaft sprocket before the sprocket was pulled
off the camshaft, and there's not enough room on the crankshaft end to
jump a tooth in either direction (due to multiple "chain guide/keeper"
flanges around the crankshaft sprocket - I know from tearing down the
other, identical, engine to prepare for a full rebuild that unless the
sprocket is removed from the crankshaft, it's impossible for the chain
to move far enough off its seats on the sprocket to skip a tooth) but it
still seems like a miracle that I was able to stab the distributor so
close to perfect after moving both the gear on the camshaft *AND* the
distributor while they were unmeshed!

This thing *HAS* to roll out on a roughly 600-700 mile journey tomorrow
morning, so any advice on finding/killing the water leak is more than
welcome, especially if it comes *FAST*.

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Nate Nagel - 23 Sep 2006 02:57 GMT
> Well, at least mostly alive...
>
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> but two of the ends are impossible to see now that things are back
> together - it COULD be one of those two hoses leaking, I guess...

<snip>

> This thing *HAS* to roll out on a roughly 600-700 mile journey tomorrow
> morning, so any advice on finding/killing the water leak is more than
> welcome, especially if it comes *FAST*.

Replace the water pump.  if the head gasket was as badly blown as it
sounds, you may very well have blown the seals out of the WP before you
parked it.  At least that's my best guess; the other ideas that come to
mind are much less appealing.  (but since you don't say that it's
running badly, I seriously doubt that there's been any kind of incident
that could ventilate a block.)

nate

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Don Bruder - 23 Sep 2006 04:15 GMT
> Replace the water pump.  

I *DID* replace the water pump on "Well, this one was attached when
things went south, and I've got the other one..." principles, although
the swap was with the one from the other engine, and that one could be
bad. Come daylight, I'll swap back to the old one (which showed no sign
of leakage, even after the gasket got so bad I couldn't get it to
restart.

> if the head gasket was as badly blown as it
> sounds, you may very well have blown the seals out of the WP before you
> parked it.

Roughly an inch of gasket between #1 and #2 was gone, intersecting a
nearby head-to-block water passage. It's running *A LITTLE* rough at
idle, but not particularly noticable unless you're as familiar with this
particular car and its habits as I am - Most people probably wouldn't
even notice, but since I'm so "tuned into" it from putting so many miles
on it...  Likely nothing more than "getting used to" the new gasket.
(Boy, did it ever smoke when I first fired it up, too! But hardly
surprising, what with all the oil that was running around loose
immediately after lifting the head)

> At least that's my best guess; the other ideas that come to
> mind are much less appealing.  (but since you don't say that it's
> running badly, I seriously doubt that there's been any kind of incident
> that could ventilate a block.)

Agreed - No sign of block failure was visible when I had it opened up.
(and believe me, I looked *VERY* carefully for any sign of cracking.
Absolutely *NOTHING* visible to indicate such failure)

Side note: antifreeze is apparently an *EXCELLENT* cylinder-bore
cleaner... #1 and #2 looked like they had never even been run, let alone
grown any carbon or crud buildup, while #3 and #4 both had what ws
obviously years of of buildup on the piston crowns, valves, and the
underside of the head. (Said buildup was indeed removed as well as
possible before re-assembly on the "Since I'm already in here, might as
well..." theory)

Other than the small amount of oil in the radiator, which did have me
sweating for a bit, there's no other sign that there's any block damage.
After a triple drain/refill/run/drain/refill/run cycle, the water in the
radiaotr is now running clear, with only a slight trace of "rainbow"
when I look into the radiator cap. (Earlier it was pretty obvious that
there was a goodly amount of oil in the water - I'm betting on spillage
into the water jacket while the head was off)

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Don Bruder - 23 Sep 2006 16:20 GMT
> > Replace the water pump.  
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> > sounds, you may very well have blown the seals out of the WP before you
> > parked it.

I dodged a bullet! Overnight, the water leaked out to "basically nothing
detectable" level, so the leak stopped leaking. Pulled radiator shround,
fan, and pulley on the water pump shaft on my way to pulling the water
pump, then had a brainstorm: Before going any further, fill the radiator
up.

Did so. Sure enough, after adding a few quarts of water, the leak
started. With the fan and associated stuff gone, I've got a goo view of
most of the water pump (other than the section the harmonic balancer
covers up - that was the next piece to pull)

Break out flashlight, and *BINGO* - There's a hose - not certain what
its exact purpose is (and don't really care right now!) to the water
pump, covered by the pulley and obscured even further by the fan, and
it's dribbling steadily. Not a drop of water anywhere else to be seen.

Clamp is tight, but it's still dribbling. Loosen clamp, leak turns into
a gush (or as close a.s a hose this size can come to being a gush).  
Pull it completely, and find that I apparently split the end of it while
either removing or re installing it the other day. Cut off an inch to
get to clean hose, re-install, fill radiator, and leak is GONE WITHOUT A
TRACE!!!

YAY ME! :) The Beast lives again, and heads out on its one-way trip to
its (and my) new home later today.

Thanks to everybody for advice and encouragement - Gawd, did I need it.
Having this thing die on me *WHEN* it did was seriously bad timing. Not
that any breakdown ever happens at a "good" time, but this was
particularly bad, what with my soon-to-happen move only 3 days away at
the time it happened.

Anyway, in case anybody cares, I'll be falling silent for at least a day
or two as I get to, and situated in, my new digs. Try and keep the place
from falling apart while I'm not around to keep it together, huh? :)

And pray to whatever god(s/ess/es) you pray to for an uneventful trip,
wouldja? "Yeah, he's drivin' a beater-mobile - he needs all the help he
can get" :)

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ray - 23 Sep 2006 19:01 GMT
> And pray to whatever god(s/ess/es) you pray to for an uneventful trip,
> wouldja? "Yeah, he's drivin' a beater-mobile - he needs all the help he
> can get" :)

You don't need prayer, just tools and parts.
Good job Don, let's see you get another 10k miles from that 626.
:)

Ray
Chris D'Agnolo - 23 Sep 2006 23:26 GMT
Awesome Don! That's the never-say-die spirit. You take the tools, I'll send
a prayer (the tools may still end up being the answer to the prayer ;-)

Let us know,
Chris
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>> And pray to whatever god(s/ess/es) you pray to for an uneventful trip,
>> wouldja? "Yeah, he's drivin' a beater-mobile - he needs all the help he
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> Ray
Don Bruder - 30 Sep 2006 21:34 GMT
> Awesome Don! That's the never-say-die spirit. You take the tools, I'll send
> a prayer (the tools may still end up being the answer to the prayer ;-)
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> >
> > Ray

10K nothin'... I wanna see this puppy roll over the 300K (or more) mark!
:)

Well, after some delay in getting computer/network access re-established
after the move (We got here last Saturday, but I've been scrambling to
get "can't continue existing without them" type items unpacked - much as
I'd like to be able to claim otherwise, the computer/net isn't on that
list) I'm pleased to anounce that the ol' beast made the trip just
great.

She ran a little bit hotter than I liked at first (typically, the needle
barely moves above the "cold" mark on the gauge - ran at about halfway
up the scale for the first 150 miles or so, then settled back down to
about 1/4 scale for the rest of the trip after topping up with water
during a gas stop - possibly a cruddy connection to the sender that I
cleaned up without knowing it whle tearing it down and putting it back
together) and it did burn some oil, but that's nothing new. Aside from
what sounds like an exhaust leak (I suspect I didn't get a bolt cranked
down hard enough when putting everything back together after the gasket
change - Without fresh stuff on hand to replace whatever exists, I'm
*REALLY* paranoid about cranking on exhaust hardware - for reasons I
doubt need any explanation!) it made it without a spit, sputter, or
complaint, even coming up over the Grant's Pass Oregon area. (Sign at
bottom: Elevation - 1000 feet. Sign at top: Elevation - 4731 feet if I
recall rightly)

I'm impressed! With both the car (for surviving the trip) and myself
(for doing a first-time-ever head-gasket replacement with only two days
to do it in before launching into a 600+ mile trip into "the great
Northwet" and having it turn out successful)

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Mike Romain - 30 Sep 2006 22:04 GMT
Congrats.  It's nice when things work out.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
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> > Awesome Don! That's the never-say-die spirit. You take the tools, I'll send
> > a prayer (the tools may still end up being the answer to the prayer ;-)
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