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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / October 2006

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footballfan@gobolts.com - 10 Oct 2006 00:55 GMT
i'm looking at picking up a newer miata, the 2004-2005 mazdaspeed fit
in my price range but i'm concerned the maintanance costs on the turbo
as this vehicle gets older. any thoughts on how reliable these will be
in the future? i know a lot depends on how the vehicle is driven. the
one i'm looking at is in great condition w/low miles. not driven hard.
my other choice is to drop down a couple of years on an LS and possibly
do some mods to get slightly more umph out of it. thoughts?
brian
Chris D'Agnolo - 10 Oct 2006 01:47 GMT
Two thoughts, expect the MS Miata to be very reliable even driven hard.
Secondly, doing the mods yourself (or, maybe to a lesser degree, supervising
/ arranging the mods that someone else does for you) is a total blast. Think
of it as bonding time with your car. Additionally, it can be somewhat more
unique which is always a big plus when you're driving the worlds most
popular roadster ;-)

Chris
99BBB

> i'm looking at picking up a newer miata, the 2004-2005 mazdaspeed fit
> in my price range but i'm concerned the maintanance costs on the turbo
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> do some mods to get slightly more umph out of it. thoughts?
> brian
Lanny Chambers - 10 Oct 2006 04:00 GMT
> i'm looking at picking up a newer miata, the 2004-2005 mazdaspeed fit
> in my price range but i'm concerned the maintanance costs on the turbo
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> my other choice is to drop down a couple of years on an LS and possibly
> do some mods to get slightly more umph out of it. thoughts?

The factory-engineered Mazdaspeed will always be more reliable than a
car with aftermarket modifications, though both may be an order of
magnitude more reliable than the average non-Miata vehicle. I would
guess that it would be somewhat *more* reliable if driven sportingly, as
intended. AFAIK, the only concern with the MSM is heatsoaking the tiny
intercooler. That probably won't happen unless you take it to the track,
and the knock sensor should protect the engine--it'll just lose power
until it cools back down.

And once you get bored with it stock, FM offers an upgrade path to some
serious horsepower.

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Scott Hughes - 10 Oct 2006 14:34 GMT
footballfan@gobolts.com wrote in news:1160438123.178385.44720
@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

> i'm looking at picking up a newer miata, the 2004-2005 mazdaspeed fit
> in my price range but i'm concerned the maintanance costs on the turbo
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> do some mods to get slightly more umph out of it. thoughts?
> brian

Be sure to get in some good testdriving.  Some Mazdaspeed owners have
been very uncomplimentary of the gearing in them.  A friend of mine had
one for a while and never stopped complaining about it.  He was always
bouncing off the (lower than normal) rev limiter.  He had previously
owned a Mitsu 3000GT VR-4 tho, so take that for what it's worth.  He's
not the only one I've heard complain about that tho.

You can get aftermarket turbo or S/C options that will far outperform
Mazdas "speed" option.

Also, if you have any interest in a hard-top option, bear in mind the
forthcoming retractable hard-top option.  Bit more $$, but it's got
several of us, here, drooling a bit.

-Scott
pws - 11 Oct 2006 05:17 GMT
> Be sure to get in some good testdriving.  Some Mazdaspeed owners have
> been very uncomplimentary of the gearing in them.  A friend of mine had
> one for a while and never stopped complaining about it.  He was always
> bouncing off the (lower than normal) rev limiter.  He had previously
> owned a Mitsu 3000GT VR-4 tho, so take that for what it's worth.  He's
> not the only one I've heard complain about that tho.

What rpm does the MS rev limiter kick in at?
I still have not driven one so I don't know how they feel to drive.

> You can get aftermarket turbo or S/C options that will far outperform
> Mazdas "speed" option.

True, my intercooler makes that little thing on the MS look like a toy,
but you will need to have the cash or credit on hand at the time, rather
than the ability to finance it along with the rest of the car, and we
are talking about as much as 25% or more of the total cost of a 2004
Mazdaspeed for a serious FI system, especially if you are paying for all
of the labor.
If you go with blueprinting and speed-balancing the engine, using forged
parts, etc., you could be looking at as much as half of the cost of the
entire MS miata.

There are also possibly warranty, insurance and emission issues to deal
with, especially if you are modifying a later year model miata, that a
Mazdaspeed owner won't have to possibly worry about if they leave it stock.
With the kit that FM offers, the MS owners can also upgrade to over 200
hp later if they want, which makes a very fast miata.

> Also, if you have any interest in a hard-top option, bear in mind the
> forthcoming retractable hard-top option.  Bit more $$, but it's got
> several of us, here, drooling a bit.
>
>  -Scott

Stop it! The hardtop is already here, not forthcoming. They hired an
extra guy with a mop bucket at my stealership just to follow us around
the car as we stare at the retractable hardtop in operation with a
glazed look in our eyes.....
I have never seen a more confident salesperson, and he is patient
fisherman, just slowly letting out the line until I run out of
willpower. :-)

Pat
XS11E - 11 Oct 2006 22:08 GMT
> Stop it! The hardtop is already here, not forthcoming. They hired
> an extra guy with a mop bucket at my stealership just to follow us
> around the car as we stare at the retractable hardtop in operation
> with a glazed look in our eyes.....

The new retractible hardtop, like the softtop, has no spare tire which
puts it between genital herpes and HIV as something I DO NOT WANT! :-(

Before anyone asks when was the last time I needed a spare tire, it was  
quite recently that I hit an invisible something on the freeway and
completely destroyed my left rear tire, it was cut open from the center
of the tread to the bead!  

I learned three things from the event:

1. I won't go out of my driveway w/o a spare, no patch kit would have
fixed that tire.

2. I won't go out of my driveway w/o a roadside assistance card, I
learned I can't lift the spare tire from it's storage place in the
Ford-On-Steroids.

3. I learned some people are absolutely GREAT!  When I called the
Lincoln roadside assistance I was told it would take about an hour to
get someone there so I unloaded my scooter from the trunk and figured
I'd sit and wait in comfort (it was too hot to wait in the car w/o
running the AC.)  A young guy stopped to offer aid, I told him help was
on the way and he left, next some really nice guy pulled a city bus (!)
over onto the shoulder, got out, walked back to me and asked if he
could help!  I thanked him and he went on.  Next was a couple of young
ladies who offered help and they went on and finally an older Hispanic
couple stopped and refused to leave until the service truck came, they
said they weren't in any hurry and didn't want me to have to wait
alone!

Not to mention the VERY cute young thing driving the Highway Patrol car
who stopped to checked up on me and drove back to see if she could find
what it was that I hit.  She looked SOOOoooooo good in that uniform and
filled it out SOOOOoooooo well that I've sped ever since on that
stretch of road hoping she'll stop me!

I don't know if it was the handicap plates that did it for me or if I
was dealing with an unusually nice bunch of folks that night but I
won't forget them... and I'll NEVER be w/o a spare!

What in HELL was Mazda thinking?
pws - 12 Oct 2006 06:22 GMT
>> Stop it! The hardtop is already here, not forthcoming. They hired
>> an extra guy with a mop bucket at my stealership just to follow us
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> What in HELL was Mazda thinking?

Everyone's situation is different, I have not carried a spare while
driving around town for over 7 years. My trunk has the no-spare carpet
kit that covers the bare spot that is left when you remove it. (bought
back in 1999 or 2000).
When I go on a trip, taking the carpet piece out and putting the spare,
wrench and jack in the car is as natural as packing a bag.
If I am within 50 miles or so of town, I have lot of numbers to call if
I break down, several of those people can go by my place and bring me a
full-size wheel and the small floor jack, and one has a trailer if
things are really bad.
Finally, if the car breaks down a a busy roadway, I am leaving it and
calling a tow truck anyway.

That is cool that so many people stopped to help. See if you can get
that patrol officer's name, I need her to keep me in line. ;-)

Pat
Scott Hughes - 12 Oct 2006 17:28 GMT
>> Be sure to get in some good testdriving.  Some Mazdaspeed owners have
>> been very uncomplimentary of the gearing in them.  A friend of mine
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> What rpm does the MS rev limiter kick in at?
> I still have not driven one so I don't know how they feel to drive.

"The turbo doesn't start doing it's thing until 4,500 RPM, and the rev
limiter cuts the fun at 6,500 RPM." (from an article online)

Versus the otherwise standard 7000 RPM.

note: Those numbers are the redlines, I believe the actual limiter is
just past there.

> Stop it! The hardtop is already here, not forthcoming. They hired an
> extra guy with a mop bucket at my stealership just to follow us around
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> fisherman, just slowly letting out the line until I run out of
> willpower. :-)

Seriously?!?  I've been away from the dealership for too long!  Gotta go
check one out! :)  ....and then go home without it... :(

-Scott
pws - 12 Oct 2006 18:07 GMT
> "The turbo doesn't start doing it's thing until 4,500 RPM, and the rev
> limiter cuts the fun at 6,500 RPM." (from an article online)
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> note: Those numbers are the redlines, I believe the actual limiter is
> just past there.

4500? I am not even sure when mine kicks in, just well below that, and I
can set the rpm limit at an exact number up to 20,000 rpm. (yikes!)
I am going to have to drive a MS to see what it feels like.
Do you know how much boost they are producing?

> Seriously?!?  I've been away from the dealership for too long!  Gotta go
> check one out! :)  ....and then go home without it... :(
>
>  -Scott

Don't do it. Heed my warning and save yourself.  ;-)

Pat
Carbon - 14 Oct 2006 14:53 GMT
> What rpm does the MS rev limiter kick in at? I still have not driven one
> so I don't know how they feel to drive.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> stock. With the kit that FM offers, the MS owners can also upgrade to
> over 200 hp later if they want, which makes a very fast miata.

My 04 MSM redlines at 6500 rpm. It's significantly faster than a stock NA
or NB (NC?) Miata and comes with a full 4-year warranty. So far it has
been rock-solid reliable. I have a feeling it was left relatively detuned
for the sake of reliability. But as you note, all I need to get another 50
horsepower is to replace the intake and exhaust systems. Throw in an FMIC
intercooler and an O2 signal modifier and the whole package comes in at
probably $1600-$1700. That's getting into the range of aftermarket FI
systems but in a basically factory engineered system, and for a lot less
money.

I'm not really a gearhead but I'll probably spring for these mods in two
years when the warranty expires.

But as-is these MSM's are a great deal. Lots of neato toys on them. Good
wheels, good brakes, good suspension, torsen diff, 6-speed, 178 HP, etc.
 
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