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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / October 2006

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gallust@yahoo.com - 22 Oct 2006 03:40 GMT
I'm looking to buy my first convertible, and I'm trying to weigh the
pros and cons.  I thought if anyone could help, they'd be in this
group.

I'm in New England, and plan to drive the car year-round (I can't
afford to have a "spare" car right now).  I just know that in a year,
I'll find myself saying "wow I didn't think I would miss XYZ about my
boring old sedan."  My question to the group is, what will XYZ be?

I'm particularly wondering about the not-so-obvious things, like a
better view when leaving parking spaces, or not worrying about snow on
the roof, etc.

Any thoughts?
John McGaw - 22 Oct 2006 15:20 GMT
> I'm looking to buy my first convertible, and I'm trying to weigh the
> pros and cons.  I thought if anyone could help, they'd be in this
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>
> Any thoughts?

Convertible: an automobile or a boat with a folding top. That leaves a
major range of vehicles to be considered and I doubt that anyone here is
an "expert" in all that the term might entail. Miata experts - Some.
Sports car experts - At least a few. 1965 Cadillac ragtop with a
continental spare tire and chrome fender skirts - Probably not. 1935
Auburn Speedster - Definitely not.

You would have a better chance of receiving a thoughtful answer if you
were to suggest which convertible(s) you were considering. Every one of
them has virtues and vices especially for a newbie determined to drive
in winter conditions.

Just my early-Sunday-morning $0.02 worth...

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Dana Rohleder - 22 Oct 2006 16:17 GMT
The biggest decision you need to make at this point is FWD, RWD, or AWD/4WD.
I live in Northern NY and would advise against a RWD vehicle for 4 season
use UNLESS you cut your teeth driving RWD vehicles in the snow, as I did.
95% of the time in the NE, a Miata with 4 Nokian snows (possibly studded)
driven by a SEASONED RWD driver with a trained right foot should be fine.
But those 5-10 days out of the winter when the snow falls faster than the
plows clean it up, you will miss the FWD sedan.

My convertible for many years was a 4WD Wrangler and I didn't even use it in
the winter because of the short wheelbase issues of driving in snow. FWD is
generally much more idiot proof. I am a seasoned RWD winter driver, and
would not consider having a Miata as my only vehicle up here in the winter,
unless I could rely on another way to get to work in a storm.
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> I'm looking to buy my first convertible, and I'm trying to weigh the
> pros and cons.  I thought if anyone could help, they'd be in this
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>
> Any thoughts?
Christopher Muto - 22 Oct 2006 18:56 GMT
no expert here.  but if year round daily driver and convertible is the
requirement then i say you should check out the new volkswagon eos.  good
looking, sporty, yet not so small as to be impractical.  it seats four and
has a trunk too.  and a retractable hard top making it a convertible without
the maintenance issue of a rag top.  and it even has a sun  roof for when
that is all that you want open.  i understand that they are selling very
well and a more powerful edition is on the way.  other convertibles on the
market fall into categories of either impractical, expensive, or just plain
ugly (sorry seabring and solara lovers).  the eos fits the bill.  check out
www.vwvortex.com for in depth discussions about vw by vw enthusiasts.  but
of course i am required to tell what you really want to buy is a miata,
ideally one from the 89-97 years.

> I'm looking to buy my first convertible, and I'm trying to weigh the
> pros and cons.  I thought if anyone could help, they'd be in this
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>
> Any thoughts?
Scott Streeter - 23 Oct 2006 13:23 GMT
> I'm looking to buy my first convertible, and I'm trying to weigh the
> pros and cons.  I thought if anyone could help, they'd be in this
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>
> Any thoughts?

I live in MA and drive my Miata all year. I'm going on my 7th
winter.  Just get a good set of snow tires or don't bother trying to
drive in the snow.

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Grant Edwards - 23 Oct 2006 15:48 GMT
>> Any thoughts?
>
> I live in MA and drive my Miata all year. I'm going on my 7th
> winter.  Just get a good set of snow tires or don't bother trying to
> drive in the snow.

I live in Minnesota and have had a roadster for my only car for
10+ years now (one A-R Spyder, two Miatas).  With 4 good winter
tires, a Miata is a great car in the snow.  A hardtop is nice
(increased visibility) but not required.

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battjt - 23 Oct 2006 13:36 GMT
(These are all cons.  Drive a Miata on a nice fall day and learn all
the pros yourself!)

I have used my Miata as a daily driver year round for 4 of the last 6
years here in Indiana.  This year, I'm parking for the winter it in
favor of the 1988 Chevy truck.

1. sport tires are worthless on snow.  Much worse than I expected.  (I
have a flexible schedule and the snow doesn't get very deep here in
East Central Indiana.)

2. dirt and grime.  The inside of the car is always dirty.

3. SUV headlights and "driving" lights are normally above the rear
deck, so in the mirrors.  If tail gaters annoy you now, you may go
insane in a Miata.

After 6 years and 3 children, I'm considering switching to a sport
sedan.  Roof down is great every once and a while, but you get used to
it and the buffeting gets annoying.  Even a hard top two seater is
looking good (may be the hard top convertible!).

Joe
Grant Edwards - 23 Oct 2006 15:51 GMT
> I have used my Miata as a daily driver year round for 4 of the last 6
> years here in Indiana.  This year, I'm parking for the winter it in
> favor of the 1988 Chevy truck.

The Miata will handle a lot better in snow.  ;)

> 2. dirt and grime.  The inside of the car is always dirty.

True. If you have to top down, the dash is always dusty, and
there are always leaves and stuff on the floor and seats.

> 3. SUV headlights and "driving" lights are normally above the rear
> deck, so in the mirrors.  If tail gaters annoy you now, you may go
> insane in a Miata.

That is a bit annoying, but unless you switch to something
_big_, it's not much better.

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battjt - 24 Oct 2006 11:52 GMT
> > I have used my Miata as a daily driver year round for 4 of the last 6
> > years here in Indiana.  This year, I'm parking for the winter it in
> > favor of the 1988 Chevy truck.
>
> The Miata will handle a lot better in snow.  ;)

I'm not worried about my driving.

The truck will handle 4,000 lbs of oncoming steel better.

Joe
miker - 23 Oct 2006 14:20 GMT
I sometimes miss the smoothness/quietness of driving a sedan. When I get in
my wifes Camry it's like driving a cloud compared to the Miata!

I've only done one winter (on the stock tires), so I'm ready to get snows
this year, but I miss having traction sometimes. Even with weight in the
trunk I used to be able to open the door, get out, and push while the car
idled in first gear with the rear wheels turning in place.

miker
Scott Streeter - 23 Oct 2006 15:33 GMT
> I sometimes miss the smoothness/quietness of driving a sedan. When I get in
> my wifes Camry it's like driving a cloud compared to the Miata!
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> miker

You shouldn't put weight in the back. The car is balanced 50/50. If
you put more weight in the trunk you upset that balance. Just keep
your gas tank full on the extra snowy days.

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Eric Baber - 23 Oct 2006 14:56 GMT
> I'm looking to buy my first convertible, and I'm trying to weigh the
> pros and cons.  I thought if anyone could help, they'd be in this
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Any thoughts?

Can't really comment on any convertibles other than the Miata, but for that
one, the following goes:

- On long journeys I do occasionally miss being able to listen to people
talking on the radio. I can listen to music, but the ambient noise is too
loud to listen to people talking. Obviously it's worse with the top down,
but even with the lid closed it's pretty noisy

- As others have mentioned, smoothness, especially again on long journeys.
Maybe it's because my car's a '91, but you can feel pretty much every bump
and bounce (and yes, I've recently replaced the shocks). Most of the time I
really like feeling that in tune with the road, but especially when driving
in my wife's Fiesta I realise how non-smooth my car is

- I do sometimes feel very vulnerable to the big monster SUVs, especially at
night. Fortunately we haven't got that many of them here in the UK, but
those that are around seem particularly fear-inducing in the Miata which is
half the height of those things. And as someone else has said, you
definitely get blinded by them when they're behind you, their lights glaring
directly in your rear-view mirror

Eric
Grant Edwards - 23 Oct 2006 15:54 GMT
> - On long journeys I do occasionally miss being able to listen to people
> talking on the radio. I can listen to music, but the ambient noise is too
> loud to listen to people talking. Obviously it's worse with the top down,
> but even with the lid closed it's pretty noisy

One word: earplugs.

Put 'em in, then turn up the volume on the radio.  Cheap foam
earplugs let you maintain a decent S/N ratio without having
damaging SPL at the eardrum.

> - As others have mentioned, smoothness, especially again on
> long journeys.  Maybe it's because my car's a '91, but you can
> feel pretty much every bump and bounce (and yes, I've recently
> replaced the shocks). Most of the time I really like feeling
> that in tune with the road, but especially when driving in my
> wife's Fiesta I realise how non-smooth my car is

A lot of people mention this, but I don't get it.  I like being
able to feel the road.  I find driving mushy "smooth" cars is a
bit unnerving.

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Eric Baber - 23 Oct 2006 17:34 GMT
>> - On long journeys I do occasionally miss being able to listen to people
>> talking on the radio. I can listen to music, but the ambient noise is too
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> earplugs let you maintain a decent S/N ratio without having
> damaging SPL at the eardrum.

Does that allow you to understand voices properly? As I say my system is
fine for listening to music, but making out words in speech is what's
tricky.

>> - As others have mentioned, smoothness, especially again on
>> long journeys.  Maybe it's because my car's a '91, but you can
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> able to feel the road.  I find driving mushy "smooth" cars is a
> bit unnerving.

It's more than "feeling the road" - as I say I mostly like that too.
Smoothness can be nice when you're doing long stretches of boring motorway
driving when the only feeling to the road is noisy asphalt, potholes and
other damage to the road surface. That ain't fun, that's just annoying, and
not worth feeling. That's where a nice, smooth ride can be preferable in my
book.

Eric
Grant Edwards - 23 Oct 2006 19:07 GMT
>>> - On long journeys I do occasionally miss being able to listen to people
>>> talking on the radio. I can listen to music, but the ambient noise is too
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>
> Does that allow you to understand voices properly?

Works for me.  I listen to NPR (which mostly talk) and books on
CD that way.

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dave - 23 Oct 2006 18:06 GMT
> I'm looking to buy my first convertible, and I'm trying to weigh the
> pros and cons.  I thought if anyone could help, they'd be in this
> group.
> -----------------------

hi
i'm dave and i live in wisconisn.  when i bought my 2005 miata, i was
concerned about snow conditions.  and, when i replaced the goodrich hi
perf tires it came with, to goodyear all weather eagles...it handled ok
in the snow---up to about 3-4 inches.   it also drives great on dry
roads too.
 
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