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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / February 2007

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Brake noise

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azmiata - 23 Feb 2007 03:09 GMT
My brakes make a grinding noise whe I stop.I had the brakes done and the
cylinders replaced. Still makes the noise. I took the car someplace else
and had them check the brakes and they said they were fine. It stops for
awhile then will start again.The brakes work fine. Could it be something
else rubbing? I was thinking it could be some other body parts or
something else that maybe used to have some rubber padding or something
that has dried up. (my girl is a 1991)any ideas? You guys have helped me
out in the past so I have geat faith in you. Thank You.
Chuck - 23 Feb 2007 11:45 GMT
Assuming the rotors were turned, it's possible that the pads are grinding
against the edge of the turned area.
Wheel bearing play can cause a similar grinding sound. If the pad backing
plate (part of the pad) is undersize,
it may allow the pad to move enough to contact the edges of the turned area,
and cause a grinding sound.

> My brakes make a grinding noise whe I stop.I had the brakes done and the
> cylinders replaced. Still makes the noise. I took the car someplace else
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> that has dried up. (my girl is a 1991)any ideas? You guys have helped me
> out in the past so I have geat faith in you. Thank You.
KWS - 24 Feb 2007 18:10 GMT
> My brakes make a grinding noise whe I stop.I had the brakes done and the
> cylinders replaced. Still makes the noise. I took the car someplace else
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> that has dried up. (my girl is a 1991)any ideas? You guys have helped me
> out in the past so I have geat faith in you. Thank You.

It all depends on what you mean by "grinding noise". Brakes work by
rubbing things together (pads and rotors), so it is inevitable that some
 sound will result.

As a rough guide:  if you are backing out of your driveway, the motor is
idling, the radio and A/C are off, the top is up and you brake, it is
very likely you will hear some sort of sound. It's absolutely normal.

After washing the car, some water remains on the rotors. The water
eventually evaporates, but will likely cause some rust to remain on the
rotors. When you apply the brakes under this condition, there will be
some "grinding" to be heard until the rotors clean themselves up. This
takes a couple of stops.

Brakes are probably the most foolproof replacement item on your car.
It's really difficult to screw up a brake job although, I'm sure, it has
been done. In your case, you had the job done by someone who apparently
had the skill to overhaul the calipers, bleed the system, etc. as well
as doing the much simpler task of changing out the pads. You then had
the work validated by a second (I'm assuming "competent") mechanic who
said everything was fine.

It is not possible to accurately diagnose something like this from a
distance. Does this scenario come close?

Best,

Ken
Iva - 24 Feb 2007 22:03 GMT
Ken wrote:
<snippage>

> Brakes are probably the most foolproof replacement item on your car.
> It's really difficult to screw up a brake job although, I'm sure, it
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> pads. You then had the work validated by a second (I'm assuming
> "competent") mechanic who said everything was fine.

My nephew had extreme brake noise (on a non-Miata vehicle), squealing
like mad and then fading.  He figured he'd blown a caliper and went
nuts over the weekend trying to find one *and* get the car home
safely.  Finally got the parts and got home.  He and my brother jacked
the car up, pulled the wheel and found that the morons at the garage
had left off a clip of some sort so the piston of the caliper was only
partially engaging the pads.

So, yes, screwing up a brake job *can* be done. ;)

Iva & Belle.)
'90B Classic Red.)
#3 winkin' Miata
pws - 24 Feb 2007 23:54 GMT
> My nephew had extreme brake noise (on a non-Miata vehicle), squealing
> like mad and then fading.  He figured he'd blown a caliper and went
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> '90B Classic Red.)
> #3 winkin' Miata

Hey, hey, hey, I did that once. I have also installed a shock and then
looked down to see the plastic shim on the ground afterwards.

I can screw up ANYTHING, given enough time, but it usually works out.
It won't be too long before a decade has passed since I have taken my
car in for mechanical repairs, so I must be doing something right. :-)

Pat
azmiata - 25 Feb 2007 05:04 GMT
I really don't think the grinding sound is the brakes. it is more a
grinding sound the car makes as a result of my braking. When I am flying
down the street and have to stop for a light and i press on the brakes i
get the sound, if i lift off the brakes it stops and starts again when i
press back down. It could be weather related because it happens for days
then not for days. I do live in Arizona so we don't have alot of "weather"
mostly hot and dry. so i am thinking something (rubber padding) may have
dried up and fallen off,(happens alot around here) and now i have metal on
metal.
by the way, it was making the noise before i had the brakes done, that is
why i took it in in the first place. turns out one of the calipers was
leaking. could that have sprayed on something that causes this? I don't
know, i am a girl with no car skills. Maybe she is just old. I know i make
alot of noises that i never used to make.
KWS - 26 Feb 2007 02:13 GMT
> I really don't think the grinding sound is the brakes. it is more a
> grinding sound the car makes as a result of my braking. When I am flying
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> know, i am a girl with no car skills. Maybe she is just old. I know i make
> alot of noises that i never used to make.  

Does it happen when it is hot and dry or, as is your current situation
in Az, when it rains?

Ken
azmiata - 26 Feb 2007 04:03 GMT
I don't think it happens so much when it is raining. More when it is dry.
But it is happening alot right now. The air is cold and not as dry as
normal. I might have to start keeping a log since it comes and goes.
KWS - 27 Feb 2007 05:59 GMT
> I really don't think the grinding sound is the brakes. it is more a
> grinding sound the car makes as a result of my braking. When I am flying
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> know, i am a girl with no car skills. Maybe she is just old. I know i make
> alot of noises that i never used to make.  

OK...more questions:

Is the sound coming from the front or back? When you had the work done
on the brakes;  was that on the front, back or both?

Ken
KWS - 26 Feb 2007 02:12 GMT
> Ken wrote:
> <snippage>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> '90B Classic Red.)
> #3 winkin' Miata

Thanks, Iva. You have restored my faith in ... well...something.

Ken
 
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