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Car Forum / Mazda / Mazda Miata / May 2007

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shatter shield question

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G. Mack - 24 May 2007 00:05 GMT
I just got started in autocross and I'll also be logging some track
time soon.  A neighbor who used to drive a MG asked if I planned to
install a shatter shield in my car.  I've googled this subject and
don't see any mentioned of a shatter shield in a Miata.  Is this
something that only concerns older cars?
Healeyman - 24 May 2007 00:18 GMT
>>>Is this something that only concerns older cars?

Nope.  ANY car with a high revving engine.

At high RPMs, the clutch disk and even the pressure plate can come apart and
sling shrapnel all over the place.  Many a driver has had his legs seriously
injured or even amputated by an exploding clutch.

It happens, but much less with automatic transmissions.

A scatter shield is typically a wide steel plate or band that encircles the
bell housing and the flywheel, clutch, and pressure plate.   If the clutch
comes apart, the scatter shield should contain most of the high velocity
fragments.

In my opinion, it is more important than a roll bar.  I wouldn't race
without one.

Tim

>I just got started in autocross and I'll also be logging some track
> time soon.  A neighbor who used to drive a MG asked if I planned to
> install a shatter shield in my car.  I've googled this subject and
> don't see any mentioned of a shatter shield in a Miata.  Is this
> something that only concerns older cars?
Leon van Dommelen - 24 May 2007 00:55 GMT
>>>>Is this something that only concerns older cars?
>
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>sling shrapnel all over the place.  Many a driver has had his legs seriously
>injured or even amputated by an exploding clutch.

Have there been cases with Miatas?

Leon

>It happens, but much less with automatic transmissions.
>
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> something that only concerns older cars?
>
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Lanny Chambers - 24 May 2007 02:10 GMT
> I just got started in autocross and I'll also be logging some track
> time soon.  A neighbor who used to drive a MG asked if I planned to
> install a shatter shield in my car.  I've googled this subject and
> don't see any mentioned of a shatter shield in a Miata.  Is this
> something that only concerns older cars?

No, it only concerns engines operated at redlines significantly higher
than stock. I've never heard of any Miata blowing its clutch, at any rpm.
Leon van Dommelen - 24 May 2007 13:34 GMT
>> I just got started in autocross and I'll also be logging some track
>> time soon.  A neighbor who used to drive a MG asked if I planned to
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>No, it only concerns engines operated at redlines significantly higher
>than stock. I've never heard of any Miata blowing its clutch, at any rpm.

Apparently, it is something aftermarket clutches might do:
http://www.turboclutch.com/sport_mazda.html

Leon
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Chuck - 24 May 2007 14:55 GMT
I don't know of anyone in our SCCA area that uses a scatter shield on an
autocross stock class Miata. I believe that it's more of a requirement for
things like spec class racing and drag.

> >> I just got started in autocross and I'll also be logging some track
> >> time soon.  A neighbor who used to drive a MG asked if I planned to
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>
> Leon
XS11E - 24 May 2007 17:04 GMT
> I don't know of anyone in our SCCA area that uses a scatter shield
> on an autocross stock class Miata. I believe that it's more of a
> requirement for things like spec class racing and drag.

In drag racing, scatter shields are routinely used on automatics, the
pressure in a torque converter can cause it to explode.
pws - 24 May 2007 23:19 GMT
> Apparently, it is something aftermarket clutches might do:
> http://www.turboclutch.com/sport_mazda.html
>
> Leon

That looks like a "CYA" disclaimer. The very remote possibility is
there, but I think that we would of heard of at least one miata driver
being injured by this over the last 17 years, and at least me and Lanny
haven't, even when they are running extremely high horsepower.

The fact that Flying Miata does not offer a scatter shield, even with
their highest turbo boost application, is also highly telling, as they
know what they are doing.

The weak link seems to be the transmission and the rear end. The current
miata of the month ripped the rear end out and snapped both the power
plant frame and the entire differential case before the clutch and
pressure plate became an issue.

Pat - yes, still in Texas, I lost the bet.....
pws - 24 May 2007 23:29 GMT
> The fact that Flying Miata does not offer a scatter shield,

Errr, make that a shatter shield.

Does anybody make one for the miata? I have never seen one offered and I
am guessing that the people that take the miata to insane horsepower
levels for drag racing make a custom one.

Pat
G. Mack - 28 May 2007 04:41 GMT
I guess I'll run without one until I at least hear about someone else
installing one on a Miata.  Thanks for all the replies.
pws - 29 May 2007 16:19 GMT
> I guess I'll run without one until I at least hear about someone else
> installing one on a Miata.  Thanks for all the replies.

That was my thought.
If I hear about someone getting sliced up by their pressure plate
blowing apart up, I will either quickly install a shatter shield or go
back to a stock clutch and power level.
If mine blows up and I happen to live, with or without legs, I'll be
sure to let ya know. :-)

Pat
 
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