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XS11E - 14 Jun 2007 01:49 GMT
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ries-in-new-sports-car/


If the range isn't sufficient I guess you could replace the batteries
with Energizers?  Then it would keep going and going and going and..

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Lanny Chambers - 14 Jun 2007 05:09 GMT
> If the range isn't sufficient I guess you could replace the batteries
> with Energizers?  Then it would keep going and going and going and..

But the damned drum would drive you nuts.
Chris D'Agnolo - 16 Jun 2007 05:17 GMT
>> If the range isn't sufficient I guess you could replace the batteries
>> with Energizers?  Then it would keep going and going and going and..
>
> But the damned drum would drive you nuts.

Good call!
Chris
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Mal Osborne - 16 Jun 2007 13:31 GMT
Why would a electric car have 4 Exhaust pipes? (first photo).  My guess it
is a Jag, looks kinda reminiscant of an E-Type.

> http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/06/12/lightning-car-co-to-use-altairnano-batte
ries-in-new-sports-car/

>
> If the range isn't sufficient I guess you could replace the batteries
> with Energizers?  Then it would keep going and going and going and..
Chris D'Agnolo - 16 Jun 2007 17:59 GMT
> Why would a electric car have 4 Exhaust pipes? (first photo).  My guess it
> is a Jag, looks kinda reminiscant of an E-Type.

IIRC it also has virtual engine sound (maybe that was a different car, I
started wandering when I read about this car). You gotta have a place for
that sound to appear to come out, otherwise, you won't fool anybody ;-)

Chris
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Mal Osborne - 17 Jun 2007 14:18 GMT
>> Why would a electric car have 4 Exhaust pipes? (first photo).  My guess
>> it is a Jag, looks kinda reminiscant of an E-Type.
>>
> IIRC it also has virtual engine sound (maybe that was a different car, I
> started wandering when I read about this car). You gotta have a place for
> that sound to appear to come out, otherwise, you won't fool anybody ;-)

Kinda like kids putting a bit of cardboard in the spokes of their bike?
IMHO most of us outgrew that. Tacky.
pws - 17 Jun 2007 17:12 GMT
> Kinda like kids putting a bit of cardboard in the spokes of their bike?
> IMHO most of us outgrew that. Tacky.

We used playing cards, frequently taken from the decks that the adults
used to play bridge and poker.
I think that they had to count them every time they played if they
weren't breaking a new pack open.

Pat
pltrgyst - 18 Jun 2007 05:17 GMT
>Kinda like kids putting a bit of cardboard in the spokes of their bike?
>IMHO most of us outgrew that. Tacky.

"Bit of cardboard"? Unless you grew up up a culturally deprived area, it was a
baseball card, secured with a clothespin.

And I still put them on my motorcycle. So there.

-- Larry (It's just a little harder to hear them these days...)
Mal Osborne - 18 Jun 2007 11:11 GMT
> "Bit of cardboard"? Unless you grew up up a culturally deprived area, it
> was a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> -- Larry (It's just a little harder to hear them these days...)

Strewth mate! Not sure Australia is "Culturally deprived".  Having seen
Americans play Cricket, I understand why you need a "World series".  Not
sure inviting Japan & Cuba along quites cuts it though.
pltrgyst - 18 Jun 2007 16:14 GMT
>> "Bit of cardboard"? Unless you grew up up a culturally deprived area, it
>> was a baseball card, secured with a clothespin.
>>
>> And I still put them on my motorcycle. So there.
>
>Strewth mate! Not sure Australia is "Culturally deprived".  

Certainly not these days, but it may have been back in the early 50's, by which
time the spoke/card trick was certainly established.

But Oz must have trading cards these days for Aussie Rules football, soccer, and
cricket, no?

>Having seen Americans play Cricket...

Then you've seen a truly rare sight. I've owned a cricket ball and bat since
1950, and have never seen Americans playing the game. 8;)

>...I understand why you need a "World series".  Not
>sure inviting Japan & Cuba along quites cuts it though.

We've never invited any other country to participate in any event leading up to
our baseball World Series. Perhaps you mean the World Series of Poker? We even
let an Aussie win that one...

-- Larry
Grant Edwards - 18 Jun 2007 16:28 GMT
>>Strewth mate! Not sure Australia is "Culturally deprived".  
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> and bat since 1950, and have never seen Americans playing the
> game. 8;)

I can't say that I've seen it, but I've been one (an American
playing cricket, that is).  At least I have been if backyard
cricket at somebody's Australia Day barbeque counts.  Of course
that was in Oz, not in the US.  Here in the US, the only people
I've seen playing cricket are immigrants from other
commonwealth commonwealth countries, but I'm sure many of them
consider themselves Americans.

As long as they're not playing netball...

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Remove This - 18 Jun 2007 18:00 GMT
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> But Oz must have trading cards these days for Aussie Rules football,

Love those referee uniforms!!! Gimme a white hat anytime !!
tooloud - 18 Jun 2007 14:35 GMT
>> Why would a electric car have 4 Exhaust pipes? (first photo).  My
>> guess it is a Jag, looks kinda reminiscant of an E-Type.
>>
> IIRC it also has virtual engine sound (maybe that was a different
> car, I started wandering when I read about this car).

You've got to be kidding me.

> You gotta have
> a place for that sound to appear to come out, otherwise, you won't
> fool anybody ;-)

It reminds me of the fake gear changes that some manufacturers are putting
on their CVTs. What...is...the...point?

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Remove This - 18 Jun 2007 18:02 GMT
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> It reminds me of the fake gear changes that some manufacturers are putting
> on their CVTs.

You have got to be kidding me! Never heard of those. What an insipid idea.

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XS11E - 16 Jun 2007 19:30 GMT
> Why would a electric car have 4 Exhaust pipes? (first photo).  My
> guess it is a Jag, looks kinda reminiscant of an E-Type.

I'm not sure it does have exhaust pipes, the other photos aren't very
clear?  This doesn't help, either: http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/

If it does it would be because people expect it, I guess, but I don't
think those are exhaust pipes?

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Lanny Chambers - 16 Jun 2007 20:05 GMT
> I'm not sure it does have exhaust pipes, the other photos aren't very
> clear?  This doesn't help, either: http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/

The story says the chassis was developed first, using a gas engine,
before the electric stuff was installed. Maybe he saw an old photo.

Since we're far into the realm of speculation, I'm sure Pat and Leon
will join us soon... <ducking>
Leon van Dommelen - 17 Jun 2007 01:38 GMT
>> I'm not sure it does have exhaust pipes, the other photos aren't very
>> clear?  This doesn't help, either: http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Since we're far into the realm of speculation, I'm sure Pat and Leon
>will join us soon... <ducking>

A Leon does not speculate, and neither, AFAIK, does Pat.  A Leon observes
data and them draws the logical conclusions.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/lightning-gt/273109/
There are no exhaust pipes in this picture.  Assuming they do not fake-exhaust
through the front grille, I would assume no fake exhausts have been added at
all.

Leon
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Mal Osborne - 17 Jun 2007 04:58 GMT
>>> I'm not sure it does have exhaust pipes, the other photos aren't very
>>> clear?  This doesn't help, either: http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> at
> all.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/photos/lightning-gt/273101/

This one seems to have E-Type four exhausts sticking out the back.  Also,
the car is supposed to feature regerative braking & hub mounted motors, yet
this pic shows the hubs full of brake disks.
Leon van Dommelen - 18 Jun 2007 01:27 GMT
>>>> I'm not sure it does have exhaust pipes, the other photos aren't very
>>>> clear?  This doesn't help, either: http://www.lightningcarcompany.com/
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>the car is supposed to feature regerative braking & hub mounted motors, yet
>this pic shows the hubs full of brake disks.

A plain engine prototype?

Leon
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pws - 17 Jun 2007 17:07 GMT
> A Leon does not speculate, and neither, AFAIK, does Pat.  A Leon observes
> data and them draws the logical conclusions.

From Websters: Speculate - To assume to be true without conclusive
evidence.

That does not sound like Leon to me, he is a little too scientific for that.
His analysis on white paint alone proves that.....

I did speculate that the '95M has the same seats as the '96M. Turns out
I was wrong, there was strong evidence in the pictures to prove me
wrong, and if that did not convince me, I could have looked at a '95M in
person.
I am sure that I have done it other times as well, but I try not to
"believe" in anything that can not be proved.

With the dead and badly beaten horse that is otherwise known as the RX-7
that lost all 4 wheels at Dixie, however, Leon was absolutely correct,
and I love to argue with Leon. ;-)

Pat
Leon van Dommelen - 18 Jun 2007 01:31 GMT
>I did speculate that the '95M has the same seats as the '96M.

You were wrong.  They do not have the same seats, they have seats of the
same design.  But I will admit that in that case, there was a minor
imperfection in my observations too.

Magnanimously,
Leon
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pws - 18 Jun 2007 01:46 GMT
> You were wrong.  They do not have the same seats, they have seats of the
> same design.  But I will admit that in that case, there was a minor
> imperfection in my observations too.
>
> Magnanimously,
> Leon

Wow, now we are getting technical.

Yes, it is true that no car can have the same seats in it as another car
at the same time. That would violate some very basic laws of time and space.

However, in the case of the seats that were installed in the '95M, they
are also of a different design than the '96M, having a separate headrest
that I think is unique with the M1's, though I don't want to speculate
on that. :-)

Pat
pws - 18 Jun 2007 02:00 GMT
> However, in the case of the seats that were installed in the '95M, they
> are also of a different design than the '96M

Excuse me, I meant that the seats originally installed in the '95M are
of a different design than the seats that were originally installed in
the '96M.

Obviously the '95M seats are of a different design than the entire '96M
Miata. I just want to keep things straight. ;-)

Pat
Chris D'Agnolo - 22 Jun 2007 03:52 GMT
All right, you managed to confuse the issue! Answer me one simple question,
which year 'M' came originally with the separate headrests?

Those are my all time 'favoritest' miata seats!

Later,
Chris
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>> However, in the case of the seats that were installed in the '95M, they
>> are also of a different design than the '96M
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>
> Pat
pws - 22 Jun 2007 04:40 GMT
> All right, you managed to confuse the issue!

Hey, how often does an off-topic post go back to miatas? Not often... :-)

> Answer me one simple question, which year 'M' came originally with the separate headrests?

I can assure you with no speculation that the 1996M came with
non-detachable, (formed with the seat), headrests, while the 1995M
Edition came with the ones that you like.
I also think that the '95M seats are very cool, but I don't know if they
have speaker mounts or not.

> Those are my all time 'favoritest' miata seats!
>
> Later,
> Chris
> 99BBB

I saw someone on the miata.net classifieds looking for a set from a
'95M, so you are not alone.

Pat
Chris D'Agnolo - 23 Jun 2007 02:36 GMT
> I also think that the '95M seats are very cool, but I don't know if they
> have speaker mounts or not.

With a very slight bit of speculation, I can assure you that, no, they do
not have speakers in the headrests. Not to say that some kook hasn't rigged
a set somewhere in this crazy world.

>> Later,
>> Chris
>> 99BBB
Chuck - 23 Jun 2007 06:21 GMT
Vents for the LiPo batteries?

> Why would a electric car have 4 Exhaust pipes? (first photo).  My guess it
> is a Jag, looks kinda reminiscant of an E-Type.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2007/06/12/lightning-car-co-to-use-altairnano-batte
ries-in-new-sports-car/


> > If the range isn't sufficient I guess you could replace the batteries
> > with Energizers?  Then it would keep going and going and going and..
 
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