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pws - 21 Jun 2007 16:21 GMT Posted to the Austin list. This is supposedly a barn/storage building in Portugal that was locked up and welded shut for at least 15 years. Worth looking at for some of the old cars if you like them.
This would take forever to sort out, but what a fun job!
http://www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm
Pat
XS11E - 21 Jun 2007 16:50 GMT > Posted to the Austin list. This is supposedly a barn/storage > building in Portugal that was locked up and welded shut for at [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm Most of those were current when I was a kid and some bring back memories.....
I'd love to be able to take a look in there in person!
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pws - 22 Jun 2007 02:45 GMT > Most of those were current when I was a kid and some bring back > memories..... > > I'd love to be able to take a look in there in person! The only one from my childhood is the Datsun Z, though it was a brand-new 280ZX that I remember an elementary school teacher driving to school.
The Z in the pictures is closer to what I had, and it is probably the newest car in that building.
I also have to wonder if this has been floating around for years, but if it has, it is one of the few things that has not been e-mailed to me at least 5 times... :-)
Pat
XS11E - 22 Jun 2007 03:02 GMT >> Most of those were current when I was a kid and some bring back >> memories..... >> >> I'd love to be able to take a look in there in person!
> The only one from my childhood is the Datsun Z, though it was a > brand-new 280ZX that I remember an elementary school teacher > driving to school. Damn kids, I recall when the 240Z was introduced, heck, I remember when Jaguar introduced the XK120 in 1949, the first Corvette in 1953 and the first Thunderbird in 1955. I recall the stir when Austin Healey brought out the 100-4 in 1953(?) and Triumph the TR-2, same year.
> I also have to wonder if this has been floating around for years, > but if it has, it is one of the few things that has not been > e-mailed to me at least 5 times... :-) I got it some time back, it has been floating around for awhile.
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pws - 22 Jun 2007 04:35 GMT > Damn kids, I recall when the 240Z was introduced, heck, I remember when > Jaguar introduced the XK120 in 1949, the first Corvette in 1953 and the > first Thunderbird in 1955. I recall the stir when Austin Healey > brought out the 100-4 in 1953(?) and Triumph the TR-2, same year. I fondly remember when such gems as the Beretta were introduced. I even remember the introduction and exit of the Yugo. My interest in cars started about 1979, so it was fairly bleak as far as new introductions for a long time, until about the early 1990's.
Most of today's cars are giving me the same feeling as the ones of the 1980's. Higher quality, but about as generic as they can be, and not good looking in general, imho, with a few shining exceptions.
Pat
Chris D'Agnolo - 23 Jun 2007 02:42 GMT > Damn kids, I recall when the 240Z was introduced, heck, I remember when > Jaguar introduced the XK120 in 1949, the first Corvette in 1953 and the > first Thunderbird in 1955. I recall the stir when Austin Healey > brought out the 100-4 in 1953(?) and Triumph the TR-2, same year. Well, at least I know there are some older codgers out here than me but, ya, Pat comes close to registering as a 'punk kid' ;-)
I've got to go back and look those photos over again, that was awesome. Thanks PWS!
Chris 99BBB
BRUCE HASKIN - 23 Jun 2007 05:03 GMT Now Chirs,
Be careful about the "codgers" thing. I am 72 and leaning on 73. "Codgers" are "Older" guys :-) The question that "we" ask is, "what were you doing on December the 7th 1941". ............ ( I was roller skating ) Then we know how old you are. If you answer, " when ? ", it's a give away. :-)
Bruce Bing '03 LS
Chris D'Agnolo - 23 Jun 2007 06:24 GMT When? ;-) Hey, as long as there's older guys around, that's great and if and when there aren't, well, that's even greater!
Chris 99BBB
> Now Chirs, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bruce Bing '03 LS Leon van Dommelen - 24 Jun 2007 00:01 GMT >When? ;-) >Hey, as long as there's older guys around, that's great and if and when >there aren't, well, that's even greater! Are you suggesting we kill off the older guys?
Leon
>Chris >99BBB [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> Bruce Bing '03 LS >  Signature Leon van Dommelen :) Bess, the Miata :) Bozo, the Miata :) rammm@dommelen.net http://www.dommelen.net/miata The only thing better than a white Miata is two white Miatas
pws - 24 Jun 2007 01:05 GMT > Are you suggesting we kill off the older guys? > > Leon Logan's Run?
I think that he is talking about the "look at the alternative to getting older thing", and that he hopes to be one of the "codgers" himself one day. The old people won't be gone, they just won't be old to him.
Of course, I could be wrong. Chris can be quite bloodthirsty.....
Pat
Chris D'Agnolo - 26 Jun 2007 03:52 GMT >>When? ;-) >>Hey, as long as there's older guys around, that's great and if and when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Leon I'm suggesting we BECOME the older guys! Granted, it's a slow process but given my perception, the process is accelerating each day just a bit!
Chris 99BBB
pws - 23 Jun 2007 14:42 GMT > Well, at least I know there are some older codgers out here than me but, ya, > Pat comes close to registering as a 'punk kid' ;-) Things hurt too much anymore to be called a kid, but I will never give up the title of punk, I'll just be an old punk instead of a young one.
> I've got to go back and look those photos over again, that was awesome. > Thanks PWS! > > Chris > 99BBB Those are cool. With my interest in both collectibles and cars, especially the thrill of the hunt, I still can't believe that nobody has sent me that link before. I have helped about one person a year get online for the last 5 years or so, and they usually send me EVERYTHING that has been floating around the Internet for the last 10 years or so.
Pat
Chris D'Agnolo - 26 Jun 2007 03:59 GMT > Those are cool. > With my interest in both collectibles and cars, especially the thrill of > the hunt, I still can't believe that nobody has sent me that link before. I've been thinking the same thing, what's wrong with my 'peeps'
Chris (trying to be a punk ;-) 99BBB
> I have helped about one person a year get online for the last 5 years or > so, and they usually send me EVERYTHING that has been floating around the > Internet for the last 10 years or so. > > Pat Tell me about it, I've got a brother-in-law that I'm itching to, how do you say..... kill-file? You know what I mean, 'block sender'.
Chris 99BBB
XS11E - 26 Jun 2007 05:13 GMT >> I have helped about one person a year get online for the last 5 >> years or so, and they usually send me EVERYTHING that has been [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Chris > 99BBB Send 'em this:
Dear Friend(s),
Tonight I got yet another e-mail from someone I do not know and with all the viruses happening now I am leery to open them. Who is this Lenniem anyway??? As I am now peaking at my "True Bitch" stage of life I would like to share a letter a friend recently sent to someone (no not me). I think she got to the point rather well don't you?
It says: Look at all the email addresses you FORWARDED when you sent me this... I have NO IDEA who these people are...and I SURE don't want MY email address being sent out to hundreds of people I don't even know... Just as I would NOT give out your phone number to strangers, NEITHER DO I WANT MY EMAIL ADDRESS SENT OUT TO STRANGERS!!!! When and IF I do forward emails, I DELETE ALL THE PREVIOUS Email addys... for YOUR PROTECTION and for MINE!!!
PLEASE don't forward my email address... TO ANYONE!!
If you absolutely MUST send out bulk emailings, PLEASE use the BCC line -- BLIND CARBON COPY. No one can see all the email addresses you put in this line. The computer you save and protect could be your own!
READ ON!!!
1. Big companies simply don't do business via chain letters. Bill Gates is not giving you $1000, and Disney is not giving you a free vacation. There is no baby food company issuing class action checks. Honda Motors is not giving away cars with some pyramid scheme. Procter and Gamble is not part of a satanic cult or scheme, and its logo is not satanic. MTV will not give you backstage passes if you forward something to the most people.
You can relax; there is no need to pass it on "just in case it's true." Furthermore, just because someone said in a message, four generations back, that we checked it out and it's "legit" does not actually make it true.
(NOTE from XS11E, Every single email forwarded to me claiming to have been checked by Snopes has turned out to be pure BS as per Snopes!)
2. There is no kidney theft ring in New Orleans. No one is waking up in a bathtub full of ice, even if a friend of a friend swears it happened to their cousin. If you are hell bent on believing the kidney theft ring stories, see: http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/weekly/aa062997.htm
And I quote: "The National Kidney Foundation has repeatedly issued requests that actual victims of organ thieves to come forward and tell their stories. None have. That's "none" as in "zero." Not even your friend's cousin.
3. Neiman Marcus doesn't really sell a $200 cookie recipe. And even if they do, we all have it. And even if you don't, you can get a copy at:
http://www.bl.net/forwards/cookie.html
Then, if you make the recipe, decide the cookies are that awesome, feel free to pass the recipe on.
4. If the latest NASA rocket disaster(s) DID contain plutonium that went to particulate over the eastern seaboard, do you REALLY think this information would reach the public via an AOL chain letter?
5. There is no "Good Times" virus. In fact, you should never, ever, ever forward any email containing any virus warning unless you first confirm that it comes from an actual site of an actual company that actually deals with viruses. Try: http://www.norton.com
And even then, don't forward it. We don't care.
And you cannot get a virus from a flashing IM or email, you have to download... ya know, like, a FILE!
6. There is no gang initiation plot to murder any motorist who flashes headlights at another car driving at night without lights.
7. If you're using Outlook, IE, or Netscape to write email, turn off the "HTML encoding." Those of us on Unix shells can't read it, and don't care enough to save the attachment and then view it with a web browser since you're probably forwarding us a copy of the Neiman Marcus Cookie Recipe anyway.
8. If you still absolutely MUST forward that 10th-generation message from a friend, at least have the decency to trim the eight miles of headers showing everyone else who's received it over the last 6 months. It sure wouldn't hurt to get rid of all the ">" that begin each line either. Besides, if it has gone around that many times we've probably already seen it.
9. Craig Shergold (or Sherwood, or Sherman, etc.) in England is not dying of cancer or anything else at this time and would like everyone to stop sending him their business cards. He apparently is no longer a "little either.
10. The "Make a Wish" foundation is a real organization doing fine work, but they have had to establish a special toll free hot line in response to the large number of Internet hoaxes using their good name and reputation. It is distracting them from the important work they do.
11. If you are one of those insufferable idiots who forwards anything that "promises" something bad will happen if you "don't," then something bad will happen to you if I ever meet you in a dark alley.
12. Women really are suffering in Afghanistan, and PBS and NEA funding are still vulnerable to attack (although not at the present time) but forwarding an e-mail won't help either cause in the least. If you want to help, contact your local legislative representative, or get in touch with Amnesty International or the Red Cross. As a general rule, e-mail "signatures" are easily faked and mean nothing to anyone with any power to do anything about whatever the competition is complaining about.
(P.S.: There is no bill pending before Congress that will allow long distance companies to charge you for using the Internet.)
Bottom Line . . . composing e-mail or posting something on the Net is as easy as writing on the walls of a public rest room. Don't automatically believe it until it's proven false... ASSUME it's false, unless there is proof that it's true.
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pws - 26 Jun 2007 18:47 GMT > Send 'em this: > [quoted text clipped - 118 lines] > automatically believe it until it's proven false... ASSUME it's false, > unless there is proof that it's true. And that is hilarious. I'll have to save that one.
Thanks,
Pat
pws - 26 Jun 2007 18:46 GMT > I've been thinking the same thing, what's wrong with my 'peeps' Well, at least I was finally the 'peep' for you in this case.
> Chris (trying to be a punk ;-) > 99BBB Don't worry, we'll let you in. ;-)
> Tell me about it, I've got a brother-in-law that I'm itching to, how do you > say..... kill-file? You know what I mean, 'block sender'. > > Chris > 99BBB One person was actually asking me about the Nigerian lottery scam. I said that of course it worked, because that was how I bought my mansion and my vast car collection.
Pat
Iva - 22 Jun 2007 13:21 GMT Pat wrote:
>> Most of those were current when I was a kid and some bring back >> memories..... I'd love to be able to take a look in there in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > but if it has, it is one of the few things that has not been > e-mailed to me at least 5 times... :-) I learned to drive on a Saab 93 - 1959 model with suicide doors, three on the column and a two-cycle engine. We used to pay $3 to fill it up - 8 gallons of gas and a quart of oil.
Iva & ? 2004 Classic Red No more winkin' Miata
Chris D'Agnolo - 23 Jun 2007 02:44 GMT > Iva & ? > 2004 Classic Red > No more winkin' Miata You got it?! Cool The name will come to you!
Congrats Chris 99BBB
Iva - 23 Jun 2007 22:21 GMT >> Iva & ? >> 2004 Classic Red [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Chris > 99BBB Yes, I brought her home last Monday night. Yesterday she got a complete detailing, roof to rubber. and shines even more. Today, we did a 120 mile romp just to see how she handles the twisties.
It's amazing how different the handling is from the '90! She certainly dances around corners that the '90 used to worry about.
Hmmm, Dancer? Maybe. We'll see.
Iva & ? 2004 Classic Red No more winkin' Miata
Chris D'Agnolo - 26 Jun 2007 04:02 GMT > It's amazing how different the handling is from the '90! She certainly > dances around corners that the '90 used to worry about. Oh, you're going to start a big NA vs NB war, you better watch it! Those of us who've owned both (for more than a couple weeks ;-) will get two votes when the fighting breaks out ;-)
Chris formerly 92BB&T currently 99BBB
Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro - 22 Jun 2007 12:31 GMT > This is supposedly a barn/storage building in > Portugal that was locked up and welded shut for at least 15 years. > http://www.intuh.net/barnfinds/afa70.htm The license plates on the cars that have them are in fact Portuguese.
I had never heard of this and I don't recall any report on car newspapers (but I don't read all, obviously). Curious.
I would like to know the history behind it. Probably a private collection but why was it abandoned ?
> Worth looking at for some of the old cars if you like them. I am not very interested in classics for myself, but some of the Lotus would be tempting.
BTW, a similar story that I saw on TV once was in Cyprus. After the war in 1974 a stand full of brand new Toyotas (?) was blocked by the border. The owner could get there on foot, but was unable to remove the cars.
I was unable to find it on the web, but:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Line_%28Cyprus%29
http://www.time.com/time/europe/specials/ff/trip5/index2.html "The biggest tourist attraction in Cyprus, apart from the beach, is the green line, a disjointed barrier of oil drums, razor wire, rusted cars and assorted junk that stretches from one side of Cyprus to the other. Manned permanently by Turkish troops on one side, Greek Cypriot troops on the other and U.N. peacekeepers in between, it is one of the most impenetrable boundaries on earth. Signs erected by nationalists and the Turkish military keep the memory of war alive. At the nearby Museum of Barbarism, gruesome black-and-white photographs of mutilated children and a bathtub marked with the 37-year-old blood and brain tissue of a young family murdered by Greek insurgents memorialize Greek terror. "
Hah, I found a reference:
http://sipasa.typepad.com/switchboard/cyprus/index.html "One Turkish Cypriot businessman imported 200 cars to Lefkosia a few days before the Line was drawn. He parked them all in the basement of his building. When he was forced to flee, the cars stayed. The Canadian troops lived in this building, and would throw massive parties in the basement. As a result, some of the cars are a bit smashed up. The Canadians pulled out of the peacekeeping mission in 1993, and since then some of the British troops have been restoring the cars for fun. They are all classic Toyotas with just a few kilometers on the odometer."
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Chris D'Agnolo - 23 Jun 2007 02:50 GMT "Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro"
Cool stuff. Again, this is a great newsgroup!
Chris 99BBB
pws - 23 Jun 2007 14:58 GMT > The license plates on the cars that have them are in fact Portuguese. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I would like to know the history behind it. Probably a private collection > but why was it abandoned ? There was not a lot of information with this. I am guessing that the owner died and had nobody with interest in the collection until the land was sold. I am curious too.
Of course, they could have been stolen as well, but that doesn't look like a chop shop and that would be one eccentric thief to just leave them in there like that.
> I am not very interested in classics for myself, but some of the Lotus > would be tempting. As actual driving machines of today, I am not that interested myself in most of them, but it is cool to see history. Airbags? How about plate glass windows and pointy steering wheels? Heh.
> BTW, a similar story that I saw on TV once was in Cyprus. After the war > in 1974 a stand full of brand new Toyotas (?) was blocked by the border. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > then some of the British troops have been restoring the cars for fun. > They are all classic Toyotas with just a few kilometers on the odometer." Cool, thanks for the links. Very interesting.
Pat
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