Hello again, all my Miata friends;
My 96 M Edition started making a groaning noise recently, from the
rear of the car. You can place your hand on the body just above either
rear wheel and press slightly and the car will groan. When driving it
groans and I'm sure that it groans more, but road noise obscures the
sound. It never gets to be a din, nor does the noise change much. But
it seems definitely to be related to suspension travel, not wheel
speed or engine speed.
This car has 130kmi on it and I am the original owner. Well cared for.
I have third-party replacement shocks on the car. Good quality, about
60kmi on them. The only thing I can see about them are that the boots
are torn. Otherwise, they seem to be working fine. And I've never
heard bad shocks make a low groan like this. Just bottoming out
noises.
I jacked up the car. No obvious leaks from the shocks. No obvious
damage to the alignment joints on the rear suspension. No squeaks or
rattles from the exhaust and the muffler hangers look good. The anti-
sway bar bushings are definitely worn, but with the car up on the
jack, I haven't been able to move the suspension enough to create the
groaning noise, so I'm stuck. Everything on the suspension, except the
shocks and tires are original. I haven't had an alignment recently
that would coincide with the beginning of the noise.
Any guesses on the source, or advice on what to do to make the groan
and isolate the source? Thanks in advance for your help.
pws - 12 Nov 2007 19:59 GMT
> Hello again, all my Miata friends;
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> Any guesses on the source, or advice on what to do to make the groan
> and isolate the source? Thanks in advance for your help.
It could easily be the worn sway bar bushings.
I don't like to replace parts trying to find the solution, but since the
bushings need to be replaced and it is such a cheap and easy job,
especially the rears, you might try that and see if it stops the noise.
When trying to isolate suspension noises, I have sometimes found it
helpful to put one end of the car up on Rhino Ramps so that the
suspension is loaded, chock the other wheels very securely, and then use
a pry bar, (carefully), to find out what is causing the noise.
Good luck!
Pat
Chris D'Agnolo - 12 Nov 2007 23:39 GMT
> It could easily be the worn sway bar bushings.
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> Pat
I'll second that 'emotion'! Don't forget to use some sort of waterproof lube
between the bar and the bushings.
Chris
99BBB
jim - 13 Nov 2007 15:42 GMT
> > It could easily be the worn sway bar bushings.
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> Chris
> 99BBB
That is the first time I've heard someone say "road noise" covers a
problem! There is certainly lots of road noise in my '03.
Frank Berger - 13 Nov 2007 19:19 GMT
>> > It could easily be the worn sway bar bushings.
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> That is the first time I've heard someone say "road noise" covers a
> problem! There is certainly lots of road noise in my '03.
Why do you find it surprising that road noise could mask another noise?
freddielu@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2007 23:46 GMT
> > It could easily be the worn sway bar bushings.
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> Chris
> 99BBB
Why not take the rear sway bar off and see if the noise goes away?
Actually, just disconnect the end links would work fine.
I haven't bother to lube my bushings. Instead, I put a washer between
the sway bar brackets and the chassis. Andy Hollis(google STS2 Miata
build) suggest that it's better to grind off the bushings instead, but
I'm lazy. It seems to be working fine so far, knock knock.
my_two_cent - 15 Nov 2007 02:06 GMT
On Nov 13, 3:46 pm, freddi...@gmail.com wrote:
> Why not take the rear sway bar off and see if the noise goes away?
> Actually, just disconnect the end links would work fine.
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> build) suggest that it's better to grind off the bushings instead, but
> I'm lazy. It seems to be working fine so far, knock knock.
Consensus seems to be that it is likely the sway bar bushings and
since those are inexpensive and simple, I'll go for it. I like the
idea of disconnecting the sway bar, but I might just go ahead and
replace the bushings anyway, as it isn't much more work to do that.
Thanks to all for the advice.